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Post by Rich on Sept 5, 2021 12:45:13 GMT
I don't agree with practically anything this government does, but I do hope they don't give in to the 'mah fweedums' crowd on vaccine passports. Been using them for the last couple of weeks here in France and honestly, it's great.
All restaurants/bars etc require them if you're going inside (can still sit outside as long as you don't at any point go in), the app takes a second or so to scan and you can be safe in the knowledge that no one is spreading the plague.
I'm fairly certain I'm not being oppressed by a fascist authoritarian state. 🤔
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Post by Dougs on Sept 5, 2021 13:07:02 GMT
Being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't spread it though.
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 5, 2021 13:32:45 GMT
All about incentivising people to get vaccinated though isn’t it? It will be interesting to see if they only target the younger age groups or if they’ll introduce passports on events attended by their voters.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 5, 2021 13:46:17 GMT
Ah, but it's all about control, don't you know!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 6:14:36 GMT
What's happening with schools then? Is it still the entire class isolating when someone tests positive? Cases in children are 300 in every 100 thousand compared to Les than 10 this time last year. It's going to be fucking bedlam.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 6, 2021 6:25:56 GMT
Nope, no need to isolate if U18 or double vaccinated. Mad that if a parent tests positive, they should just send their kid in to school.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 6:50:11 GMT
So even the kid who tests positive doesn't need to isolate? Or just their contacts?
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 6, 2021 6:57:23 GMT
The positive case still has to isolate.
My understanding is that is 10% off a class test positive then public health England may recommend isolating the whole class.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 6, 2021 7:02:48 GMT
Yep, just the positive case. It's mad.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 6, 2021 7:12:39 GMT
What is it with people pulling their masks down to talk? How fucking stupid can you be? Best one I saw was a lady working in a shop taking hers off because she couldn't hear her colleague talking to her |
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Post by knighty on Sept 6, 2021 7:17:06 GMT
To be fair I’m guilty of pulling my mask down when I can’t hear someone. Don’t know what it is, just the way my brain is wired.
I’m half deaf though when it comes to making out what people say, I’m the sort that turns out subtitles for everything. The only part of masks I actively dislike is not being able to see people’s lips move.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 6, 2021 9:02:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 18:19:30 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 6, 2021 20:31:45 GMT
Crazy how they went from great stuff like that church scene to the shit that was the sequel
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 6, 2021 21:32:43 GMT
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 7, 2021 7:36:42 GMT
Some of us are old enough to remember when schools weren't considered a vector of transmission.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 7, 2021 7:44:46 GMT
Called it. Remove restrictions while government is on its break then being restrictions back when they return. We'll blame the public for not being responsible enough. This is basically what they did last year |
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 7, 2021 10:55:01 GMT
Schools were always a vector of transmission. The most ill I have ever been was in the first three months of my first year of University, when strange people from all over the country gathered and 'mingled.'
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Post by Matt A on Sept 7, 2021 10:58:38 GMT
Shit, that's a worry.
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Post by richardiox on Sept 7, 2021 11:30:55 GMT
The government keep saying that schools are not a vector of transmission yet basically everyone I know who has Covid says they caught it from their kids. Cases have always fallen off a cliff a few days after schools break up then soar when they reopen. But yeah, no need for any pro active mitigation when your baseline is an unflinching "schools solely reflect wider community transmission" stance.
One of the most annoying things is the R rate - even after all restrictions were dropped is only like 1.2 or 1.4.
In other words, with the reintroduction of a couple of targettted interventions we could get it and keep it below 1 and cases, hospitalisation and deaths will start to consistently fall. We'd also still benefit from a largely "back to normal" way of life.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 7, 2021 11:51:13 GMT
At one point they were using those months when the schools were shut to all but key workers for that statement about transmission.
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Post by richardiox on Sept 7, 2021 12:36:15 GMT
They still are using that same study as their evidence. Gavin Williamson's is a workshy cunt. Term started again for my kid today and despite really high transmission rates round here, if someone in our household has Covid we still should send him to school. If a few people in his class have it, we still send him to school. Bubbles have gone. Staggered entrance has gone. Bit of a farce really.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 7, 2021 13:04:29 GMT
Same at ours. No idea why they wouldn’t at least keep the staggered start as it helps reduce the chaos anyway.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 13:23:43 GMT
Yep. Confirmed case in my daughter's class, everyone carries on as usual. It's mad.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 13:26:43 GMT
Oh, and the child in question got it from her brother, who had it a week ago. So could easily have not been in class to then pass on
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 7, 2021 13:26:59 GMT
My wife's school kept their staggered starts in place. Apparently, they are one of the first things they'll be told to bring back in if an outbreak occurs so they decided it was easier just to keep them in place than reintroduce them later.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 7, 2021 13:30:53 GMT
Oh, and the child in question got it from her brother, who had it a week ago. So could easily have not been in class to then pass on My wife was chatting to a mum at karate last night and asked where her other two kids were. Oh, they are both at home with covid. |
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Post by Youthist on Sept 7, 2021 13:32:44 GMT
Yep. Confirmed case in my daughter's class, everyone carries on as usual. It's mad. Not mad when the strategy is to let it rip and rinse through as fast as possible, and to discover where the steady state of it being in circulation in a primarily vaccinated population is. Guess we will find out soon enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 13:39:32 GMT
I don't know if any of you are using the Zoe app, but that and the videos that go with it give some pretty useful information. Like up to 70% of children with covid are asymptomatic and that vaccine efficacy is waning (with AZ seeming to wane slower). Something we have over the Israelis is the 12 week gap between jabs which seems to give a longer lasting resistance.
I'll be pleased if we go back to masks. I can't see the hassle of them (and I'm asthmatic) and they reduce other illnesses too.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 13:39:36 GMT
Oh, and the child in question got it from her brother, who had it a week ago. So could easily have not been in class to then pass on My wife was chatting to a mum at karate last night and asked where her other two kids were. Oh, they are both at home with covid. And perfectly legal/entitled to do that. My mate has it, wife and kids clear on a PCR, so kids are at school and she's able to go out and about. None of it makes sense. |
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