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Post by dfunked on Sept 3, 2021 22:12:27 GMT
Stupid fucking experts!
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 3, 2021 22:15:38 GMT
Front page of the Times tomorrow says they are going to start vaccinating 12-15yr olds next week anyway.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 3, 2021 22:32:31 GMT
U turn in 5... 4...
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Post by Danno on Sept 3, 2021 22:38:37 GMT
Oh joy, the JVCI fuck up the simple decision to at least allow 12-16 years the option for the jab. Their arguments seem stupid as I wouldn't say that there is much difference between the risk of transmission in that group and the already approved 16-17 year olds, most of whom go to the same schools as the younger group who are just as stupid regarding safety rules. If this wasn't GCSE year I would be seriously considering ripping my son out of school right now. We really need someone to override them as they seem pretty clueless over this whole situation... Do we really want a scenario where the medical experts are overridden by politicians though? Bit of a slippery slope, as well as adding fuel to the fire of people who say we shouldnt trust ‘experts’. You mean the guy that was caught having a little rave in a club about a week ago. That no experts guy? /s |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 3, 2021 22:59:53 GMT
My question about the composition of the JVCI was a genuine one as it wouldn't surprise me if it had been more political than scientific and I hadn't researched their composition.
The risk of a bad case of COVID still sounds riskier and more likely than a severe vaccine reaction from the figures I have seen bandied about. I don't really see risks being any higher in the 16-17 years than the 12-15 year olds in community spread, if anything there is more chance of 16-17 year olds getting some smaller college classes if they have left school and being at leas risk
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Post by Dougs on Sept 3, 2021 23:12:45 GMT
That data is out there though, and presumably what the committee made its recommendations on. That 16-17 year olds DO benefit from the vaccine compared to the risk of Covid. Whereas their view is that 12-15s do not.
The make up of the committee is also published. They're not employed by the government and AFAIK, not political appointees. It's almost an academic body.
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Post by 111 on Sept 3, 2021 23:16:42 GMT
Each to their own, but personally I'm probably still not going to assume that JCVI chair Professor Andrew Pollard of the Oxford Vaccine Group in the Department of Paediatrics at the University of Oxford and chair of the COVID-19 subcommittee Wei Shen Lim, a consultant respiratory physician and honorary professor of medicine at Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust have "fucked up" based on my own interpretation of what can be gleaned from figures "seen bandied about". I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that they have both more data and more expertise than me.
Bear in mind they're not even deciding whether kids gets offered the vaccine - they're merely advising the government on whether the data show it to be in the children's best interests.
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Sept 4, 2021 6:23:58 GMT
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 4, 2021 7:37:01 GMT
That's exactly what I imagine it to sound like in your head
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 4, 2021 8:07:04 GMT
The JVCI gave the recommendation based on what they were asked to look at, the problem is the question they were asked only looked at the individual impact.
Why they couldn’t have been asked that as well as the wider issues I have no idea.
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Sept 4, 2021 8:43:36 GMT
That's exactly what I imagine it to sound like in your head That's what I said. |
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Post by beastmaster on Sept 4, 2021 8:49:58 GMT
Went to our local last night. Sat outside as usual. Went indoors to get a pint and there was this absolute cuntbag constantly coughing in there. Very loud and very consistent.
Now, it could be that he was a very heavy smoker but I didn’t see him come outside once for a cig.
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2021 9:25:57 GMT
Turns out the infamously dickheaded owner of a weirdly elitist pizza shop in Newcastle is also massively anti-vax
Black pepper? Parmesan? Plague bogies?
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Sept 4, 2021 9:45:18 GMT
The JVCI gave the recommendation based on what they were asked to look at, the problem is the question they were asked only looked at the individual impact. Why they couldn’t have been asked that as well as the wider issues I have no idea. Yeah, what question is looked at is a key part of this. I am pretty sure some of the other countries that went ahead with U16 vaccines had equally qualified representatives and came up with a different answer. The government barely listened to the experts at the start of the pandemic when it most mattered so it would be ironic if they started now. Even if they don't want to push for the nationwide push they could at least have a sensible opt-in system. The system is bad enough that some counties don't even have any sites allowed to do the 'vulnerable' under 16s meaning they have to travel to different counties and somehow get an appointment (which their designated GPs often don't have access to) And experts or not, socially (for community spread purposes) there is little difference between 12-15 year olds and 16-17 year olds (and as I mentioned earlier in some cases 16-17s might have safer environments if they are in smaller or spread out college rooms rather than stuffed school classrooms so it doesn't logically make sense if the figures show no extra risk factor between the 2 age groups both in vulnerability to the virus and vaccination risks). If experts worldwide were in pretty close agreement that this was dangerous for kids then I would be a lot more accepting of the findings, as it is there are a lot of differing opinions. |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 4, 2021 18:33:27 GMT
Doh. Neighbours that we spent all night with last night have just tested positive on LFTs. We were outside all night and at a distance, but still. And they did LFT last night and were negative. I think we are all fucked.
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Post by Frog on Sept 4, 2021 18:42:15 GMT
Good chance you will be ok Dougs as you were outside and distanced.
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2021 19:05:23 GMT
Turns out the infamously dickheaded owner of a weirdly elitist pizza shop in Newcastle is also massively anti-vax Black pepper? Parmesan? Plague bogies? There are so many misnomers in here, I have no idea where to start. God bless these loons. |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 4, 2021 19:16:39 GMT
Good chance you will be ok Dougs as you were outside and distanced. Just generally I mean. My mate's work colleague tested positive a day or two before, and they spent about an hour together at a distance. If that's all it takes, we're all going to get it! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 19:21:13 GMT
There was a science guy on TV not long ago saying we'll all probably have to get it 3 or 4 times before it passes into insignificance.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 4, 2021 20:12:54 GMT
Yeah, that was my assumption. My wife is doing her pieces about it. I just can't stress about it anymore.
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Post by simple on Sept 4, 2021 20:47:08 GMT
Turns out the infamously dickheaded owner of a weirdly elitist pizza shop in Newcastle is also massively anti-vax Black pepper? Parmesan? Plague bogies? There are so many misnomers in here, I have no idea where to start. God bless these loons. Just don’t eat anything that looks like a bogey on top of your Cal’s Own. |
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Post by Lionheart on Sept 4, 2021 22:40:46 GMT
I went the footie today for the first time, only a handful of people had a mask. I was one and felt quite self-conscious, ended up sitting next to a guy who was coughing and sneezing regularly without covering his face, brilliant.
Don’t see anyone wearing one when I go to the local shop now, supermarket is slightly better but it’s mainly elderly people.
Anecdotal of course but just seems nobody here gives a fuck anymore. Got to feel for the millions of immunocompromsied people who must be living with constant anxiety and not able to rely on other people to help them keep safe.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 5, 2021 6:18:41 GMT
Mask wearing is probably about 60/40 now here in shops but virtually nothing elsewhere (tbf, I am much the same - I have no truck with the conflicting rules - pointless wearing one around a restaurant etc if you can then take it off imo). As Decks said, I think if anyone wants to have any kind of existence, we're going to have to accept that we're all going to get it more than once.
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Post by simple on Sept 5, 2021 7:47:26 GMT
It does feel like the two university campuses here are islands of precautions with everyone else in the city doing what they want. Unless they can really strict on barring access to the teaching buildings I think mask wearing will be done at them too once thousands of students turn up in a week or so
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 5, 2021 9:19:29 GMT
The idea that we’ve now been vaccinated, the virus is here to stay and the only logical step is further immunity from infection does seem to be the accepted truth that nobody in power is willing to say out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 9:34:32 GMT
Mask wearing is probably about 55/45 in supermarkets in cambridge, wearing one tends to get you a sneer from some maskless shopper now in tesco (the ones not wearing masks tend to be over weight, who will have a real bad time with the virus even they are still doubled jabbed.)
I do think we do need to get on with living BUT do it in safe way like mask on trains/buses and not cough every where (on saturday some maskless shopper in tesco was coughing and spluttering and people kept away from that cunt) People have shown they are selfish cunts and can't even do the bare minimum since this all started.
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Post by Frog on Sept 5, 2021 9:59:41 GMT
They should have definitely kept masks as a standard thing in shops but other than that we haven't really got much choice but to have the vaccine and get on with life now. Hopefully over time vaccines may get better than they are now and we can finally be rid of it but we can't just stop until that point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 10:01:03 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Sept 5, 2021 10:01:34 GMT
Indeed. If masks were kept for indoor stuff, that's probably about the best we could hope for. But even then, that's not going to stop the transmission in households.
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Post by PazJohnMitch on Sept 5, 2021 12:15:23 GMT
Indeed. If masks were kept for indoor stuff, that's probably about the best we could hope for. But even then, that's not going to stop the transmission in households. But it might stop it getting into the house in the first place. |
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