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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 19, 2021 22:26:57 GMT
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Post by KD on Aug 19, 2021 22:35:58 GMT
I bought the first hill climb track in iracing and its a nightmare with my rallycross Fiesta
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 19, 2021 22:46:20 GMT
Just got back into it after an 8 year hiatus and unsurprisingly, much has changed.
I've dabbled with AC, ACC, iracing and F1 2021, but have ended up becoming borderline obsessed with raceroom. In particular their ranked multiplayer servers. I can always find a populated server running something fun, and nearly every race has close, fair racing. Hardly ever get punted and even if you do you can often save it and race on. It's properly brilliant and deserves more attention.
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Post by Gruf on Aug 19, 2021 23:13:55 GMT
iRacing is my drug of choice, embarrassing the amount I have spent on my gear under the assumption it will make me quicker
Speaking of which, the Fanatec CSL direct drive wheelbase I ordered is getting sent out early. Shame it will be sitting in a UPS warehouse for months and will cost an arm and a leg in tax thanks to dipshits that got their partition from the rest of the world
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Post by KD on Aug 19, 2021 23:54:41 GMT
I been using a G920 with TLCM pedals and holding off a new wheel purchase. I had to buy a motorbike so hopefully that CSL DD will be instock by the time I can afford it again, spent too much this last 2 years on it all so far.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 20, 2021 7:30:00 GMT
I bought a CSW2.5 in their black Friday sale last year. Very happy with it, although my only point of reference was my old G25. It's night and day better than that.
I expect I'll go DD next, but am in no rush. The reviews of the CSL DD are largely very positive and it just shows how much the hardware keeps improving. Kind of excited to see what's next as their replacement mid tier offering will presumably be a 10nm+ DD which would be perfect for me.
With 8nm on my CSW it's mostly enough but there are some occasions when a little more oomph would be nice. Not sure I need or could justify a DD1 though.
The Brexit thing is indeed highly annoying. Fanatec should really add a checkout option saying 'I confirm I didn't vote for this, knew it was a stupid idea and should not get penalised' and the UPS admin fee gets waived. The actual tax situation should work out about the same, you just pay it in the UK on import rather in Germany at the point of sale.
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 8:34:06 GMT
Heh, can we not just pile all the little islanders who voted for it onto actual little islands so we can just get on with normality. Just got an email, due to arrive next week, wonder how UPS operate, they must take debit cards for the admin fee I guess. Still use my venerable but reliable CSW 1, 4.8 Nm, but does the job very well. Obvious a DD will unlock my dormant Lando speed
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 20, 2021 9:25:23 GMT
I ordered all my Fanatec gear pre Brexit, but the Mclaren GT wheel dispatch got delayed into the new year and was, therefore, subject to the new procedures which added a bit more expense and a lengthy shipping delay.
Essentially we now don't pay German VAT at the point of sale so the buy price is now 20% cheaper or so for UK customers. Instead, once UPS get the item into their warehouse in the UK, you'll be contacted to pay an amount comprised of UK VAT @ 20%, a UPS Brexit admin fee of £15 and possibly some additional duty. I'm a bit iffy on this last part as it is only applicable on goods over £135 and depends on the commodity code. I believe computer components are tariff-free and I don't think I got billed anything extra on my Mclaren rim. In the end, I think receiving the rim post Brexit cost me an extra £15-20, for the privilege of UPS holding it in a warehouse in Essex for 3wks (I could see on tracking where it was, but they refused to deliver it sooner due to 'Brexit related delays'). Do update us with how you get on, as it'll be interesting to see if things have improved as UPS were a definite bottleneck in Jan/Feb.
Regarding good FFB, have you tried raceroom since they completely rewrote their FFB to be entirely physics-based? It was a proper revelation and was the main reason why I gravitated away from iracing and ACC.
In RR I can jump in a new car and drive by reacting to the sensations through the wheel as they tell me if I'm approaching the limit and then I can ease off a bit. If I do go over the limit I can often recover understeer or catch oversteer. It's just intuitive and I don't have to think, I just react. It means I can usually lap safely within 5 laps and be more or less on midpack multiplayer pace within 10 laps. I don't have a huge amount of spare time, so being able to spend more time competitively racing and less time practising is great for me.
In iracing, even with the irFFB app, I find I have to put in 20-50 laps of practice to learn and memorise where the limit was through trial and error, and overstepping that limit was rarely recoverable. Might be because I only have a D license but I also find it makes the racing more attritional rather than competitive and a lot of wheel to wheel stuff ends with one party in the wall. In many ways, it doesn't feel that different to me now than it did 10 years when I first tried it. It's a pity as the multiplayer infrastructure and stat tracking is way ahead of the others.
ACC is somewhere in the middle. Less lethal than iracing near the limit so is less frustrating, but doesn't convey what the car is doing as well as RR so it takes me much longer to find that limit and be competitive, so again requires more practising, less racing.
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 10:02:25 GMT
Thx Muddy good info. Yeah tried raceroom, have a weird thing where it runs ok, sometimes, but most occasions the framerate is crap and unplayable, don't have a ultra powerful PC but it runs most things fine, not raceroom though. Race in VR so it may have something to do with that. I prefer iRacing for its overall organisation and the never ending Quest to get 2000 IR, every time I get into the 1900's there is some bonehead who will wreck me I find irFFB fine for my needs, certainly better than iRacings FFB, so racerooms must really be something, if only I could try it at more 5 FPS!
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 20, 2021 10:28:58 GMT
I've heard it basically nails one core (not unlike iracing actually), so although it's pretty archaic it could be that? Pretty odd otherwise as it seems comparatively undemanding.
FWIW I have a 5600x, 3080 FE and am running 7880x1440 which is more pixels than most VR headsets and it's always above 100fps with everything maxed. The only stutter I've noticed is during replays, occasionally FPS will drop for about 3secs before going back to normal. Suspect that is just some bad code related to how it buffers when streaming the replay from disk though.
Might be a VR specific bug as you say.
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 10:35:56 GMT
Has me scratching my head, certainly don't have your beast of a machine, but runs iRacing at 90hz in VR mostly fine.
The fact it runs OK sometimes is perplexing
Off next week, maybe will look into it some more
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Post by snackplissken on Aug 20, 2021 10:38:15 GMT
I don't know why I keep going back to F1 2021 online. Constantly getting warnings for hitting someone when it isn't even my fault.. really poor.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 20, 2021 11:31:08 GMT
To be fair, that's kind of how even decent multiplayer penalty systems work. In iracing and raceroom both cars that make contact get the same penalty (a 4x) irrespective of whose fault it actually was. The difference is that in both those sims, your safety rating is tracked long term so consistently being a punter rather than the puntee becomes unsustainable as they just get relegated to rookie races and either get bored or banned.
I'm a bit annoyed with myself for buying F1 at full price. Got sucked in by the hype and wanted to see how much it had improved since F1 2011 (the last one I bought). It's not bad as such, it's just so unengaging to drive, with the car physics doing weird stuff and some poor track models that totally break the flow in some instances. I liked Motorsport Manager so the RPG & team development stuff would be fun but I just can't get invested racing AI. I did a few multiplayer races and it was just ridiculous to the extent of being pointless. Every time, 75% of the field either crashed or got time penalty points added on at the end of the race, and there was basically zero racing etiquette so you never really knew what other people were going to do, and without that you can't race properly.
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 11:42:46 GMT
Not a fan of Codies arcade leanings, though I am all about open wheel racing
Shame they have the only licence, seems shortsighted of F1
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Post by KD on Aug 20, 2021 11:52:29 GMT
I bought F1 this year but stuck with the pad as it has the haptics for the PS5 controller, seems ok with no ABS or TC being able to feel more. Youtube keeps recommending me these reshade vids for AC.
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 12:01:22 GMT
Could almost be a live broadcast, long way from Grand Prix Legends that started it for me
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 20:18:10 GMT
Got my UPS import tax email £85, Ouch! £75 Government Charges £10 UPS Admin, blood sucking fuckers both. All paid online.
Hopeful, but not expecting it to make this Wed delivery date.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 20, 2021 22:01:10 GMT
Isn't the £75 quid just the 20% VAT you'd have paid in Germany anyway pre Brexit or have you been stung for more?
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Post by Gruf on Aug 20, 2021 22:58:47 GMT
VAT yeah, but I don't have to like it
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 21, 2021 17:46:25 GMT
Just added RFactor2 to my collection as it's £6 on Steam this weekend.
The UI is bloody awful. Spent 20mins trying to get my triples setup correctly without success. Will have another go tomorrow.
I did do a quick lap of Monaco 66 in a Brabham BT20 on s single screen and that was pleasingly GPL-esque.
Don't think it's a sim that'll become my main but looks as though there's enough interesting content to more than justify the low price.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 18:46:23 GMT
F1 2021 is surprisingly great with a steering wheel. Way better than whatever the last one I tried is. Probably 2019.
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Post by KD on Aug 31, 2021 17:11:35 GMT
I picked up RFactor 2 in the sale and only now getting to grips with the ui and content, weird workshop intergration didnt help but enjoyed some Clio racing and looking at the f1 1988 mod.
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Post by Slint on Sept 2, 2021 14:03:00 GMT
I got a copy of WRC 10 and I have to say it’s really really good. The handling feels spot on, with a great feeling of weight transfer. Dirt Rally 2.0 still takes some beating but this is coming a pretty close second for me so far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 18:01:24 GMT
Is that with a wheel yeah? Is it much of an improvement on 9 with the wheel? Which I thought was pretty shit.
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Post by Slint on Sept 2, 2021 18:27:04 GMT
Is that with a wheel yeah? Is it much of an improvement on 9 with the wheel? Which I thought was pretty shit. Yep that’s right. I never got 9 to feel good with my wheel (Fanatec) but I got the new one feeling pretty great after toning down some of the canned effects. I even enjoy the tarmac events now which I always hated before and that’s mainly down to how the wheel feels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 18:34:59 GMT
Cool I'll give it a go. Seems to drop steeply in price about 6 days after release too.
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Post by awimbawe on Sept 2, 2021 19:54:19 GMT
I'm hesitant to take the plunge on WRC 10 as I've already got 9 and not sure how much different it's going to be. I'm a lowly controller user but the haptics on the ps5 controller were really well done I thought. Plus this has the McRae Impreza which I'm almost buying it for anyway.
Can someone tell me it's not worth getting before a slightly boozy buy tomorrow basically.
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Post by Slint on Sept 3, 2021 11:02:12 GMT
Another thing I’m liking about WRC 10 is that they’ve finally made Quick Play into proper time trials with different leaderboards for each era of cars, rather than just one for all cars lumped in together.
They’ve clearly swiped how DR2.0 did it but that’s fine with me. The TT are probably my most played way out of playing rally games.
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Post by Gruf on Sept 3, 2021 11:32:31 GMT
Can report the 8nm version of the CSL DD is quite a step up from my Fanatec Clubsport Version 1 wheelbase, everything feels so much more planted and visceral, very happy with it.
My old wheelbase s about to be ebayed, if anyone wants first dibs let me know, got some CSL pedals as well with the loadcell brake. Well used but still fully functional, great step up from a Logitech or Thrustmaster wheel.
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Post by KD on Sept 3, 2021 11:38:43 GMT
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