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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 16:53:00 GMT
Cheers, I have referred myself for help, got loads of pills (beta blockers, diazapam, sleeping pills) none of which I have used apart from the diazapam for a bad patch. Tried not to touch anything as doctors stress these are band aids and temporary so avoid. I did try diazapam on the train, but either too late or didn't kick in enough. Nice to have them in the pocket though just in case.
On waiting list for counselor, cbt etc. So I am trying to get help, just struggling.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 23, 2022 16:58:01 GMT
Keep on the thread man, no need to struggle in silence. Remember it's a marathon not a sprint.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 17:13:58 GMT
You did well getting on the train and you did well on the train for 45 minutes. That might not sound great to you, but it is progress. If you start seeing it as getting worse and that your life is fucked, then your brain will be only too happy to oblige and fill in the gaps for you. Your brain is reacting to your response to the emotions you're getting and those emotions are "just" feelings" which are "just chemicals". They can't make you do things, only you can. They and this situation do not define you.
What I found helped when I was last having a panic attack on a flight to the US was counting backwards slowly from 1000. When I got to zero I counted again. I think I learn't that in a self hypnosis book by Mckenna. It worked thankfully. I think the idea was that you told yourself you were going down deeper into sleep or something. Basically it was anythng to stop thinking about the emotions going through me.
These days, I either ignore the panic or I take deep breaths. What I recently learnt is that if you deal with the pycical aspect (clenched jaw / tight shoulders) then it affects the emotional side. I didn't know that and it works. I find just "uncurling" helps my stress. Deep breathing (focusing on the outbreath (in to a count of 4, out to a count of 6)) kicks in the body's sympathetic nervous system which puts calming chemicals through the body. That's scientific fact, so next time, try that as it will work.
Also, don't forget you were not always like this and you will not always be like it. This will pass, just like the panicky feelings on the train would have passed. They would have felt bad, but they have a finite length as the body can't keep pumping chemicals out ad infinitum.
Take care.
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Post by Danno on Jan 23, 2022 17:37:35 GMT
Sorry, thought I was replying in a relevant way. Carry on!
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 23, 2022 17:43:16 GMT
Mindfullness and strategic breathing is something you can look into while waiting for counseling. There's plenty of information about them online. It can be difficult to focus at first but pratice and it'll become easier. Eventually, you'll be able to do it anywhere, whenever you need it.
The idea behind strategic breathing is pretty straight forward, you want to reduce the oxygen in your body (to bring down your heart rate) by breathing in through your nose (count to 4), hold it for 2 seconds, then breathe out through your mouth (count to 5). It doesn't have to be those exact timings; find what you're comfortable with
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 17:53:55 GMT
Cheers, I have referred myself for help, got loads of pills (beta blockers, diazapam, sleeping pills) none of which I have used apart from the diazapam for a bad patch. Tried not to touch anything as doctors stress these are band aids and temporary so avoid. I did try diazapam on the train, but either too late or didn't kick in enough. Nice to have them in the pocket though just in case. On waiting list for counselor, cbt etc. So I am trying to get help, just struggling. You have the right approach man. Each day at a time. There will be better days than others but you'll get past this. It doesn't and won't define you just remember that.
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Post by drhcnip on Feb 2, 2022 0:56:00 GMT
well, it's taken weeks and weeks, but i finally found a private psychiatrist willing to help support my early retirement application...she was lovely and it went very well...was nice to talk it through with someone who then said 'you're just very ill, aren't you?'...just to have someone recognise it, rather than all the faffing around and door-closing i've had to deal with...she's going to complete the form supporting my application, to go with my other evidence, and also write to my gp about confirming necessary medication changes and that therapy etc should be at a much higher level than it is at present (i'm in the middle of silvercloud online) - basically that my current treatment isn't sufficient, which i basically knew...thank goodness that's done, glad i kept pushing to find someone now
so, yes, confirmed that i'm fucked mentally (she's estimated 3-4 years for a potential recovery) but i just hold onto the fact that this is the start of something, not the end
made up for the fact i got my letter today about going onto half-pay soon (+ssp)...though she has also recommended i apply for pip, which will hopefully help a bit...
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Post by Sarfrin on Feb 2, 2022 7:19:07 GMT
Glad you've found someone who recognises what you need.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 7:23:30 GMT
That's good news (well, it isn't but you know). I found speaking to people who just said "that sounds awful" really helped and made me realise that it wasn't all in my head (well it was, but again you know). I hope the treatment they put you on helps and you're soon on the road to recovery. Yes it takes a while to get back to "normal", but it tends to take a while to get there in the first place. So the only way is up now
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Post by Dougs on Feb 2, 2022 7:43:20 GMT
Glad you've found someone who recognises what you need. Absolutely this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 10:13:48 GMT
well, it's taken weeks and weeks, but i finally found a private psychiatrist willing to help support my early retirement application...she was lovely and it went very well...was nice to talk it through with someone who then said 'you're just very ill, aren't you?'...just to have someone recognise it, rather than all the faffing around and door-closing i've had to deal with...she's going to complete the form supporting my application, to go with my other evidence, and also write to my gp about confirming necessary medication changes and that therapy etc should be at a much higher level than it is at present (i'm in the middle of silvercloud online) - basically that my current treatment isn't sufficient, which i basically knew...thank goodness that's done, glad i kept pushing to find someone now so, yes, confirmed that i'm fucked mentally (she's estimated 3-4 years for a potential recovery) but i just hold onto the fact that this is the start of something, not the end made up for the fact i got my letter today about going onto half-pay soon (+ssp)...though she has also recommended i apply for pip, which will hopefully help a bit... It's not anywhere near the same level as you, at all, but when I found a doctor finally willing to listen to me last year, and take appropriate action, and one who actually kept me informed and spoke to me about everything. The difference was night and day, so I can empathise even slightly with how you now much feel knowing that there is some validation given to what you are experiencing. I'm so glad you kept going, kept trying to find someone who would listen to you and act with your best interests at heart. It sounds like you now have a path forward. Not an easy one, but there's one marked there that you can follow one step at a time.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 2, 2022 21:28:00 GMT
Straight up I've been feeling a lot of sadness of late, it's something I've tried to process and while I don't express it outwardly I've been finding life more and more difficult of late. Since my encounter with a very troubled lady friend that I wrote about in the dating thread I've become more and more aware that I've had nothing but difficulty with women in both relationships and getting a relationship off the ground. They've been pretty much all negative experiences where I've been belittled by one, picked and put down on a whim by another and so on.
I am aware that I've been attracting the wrong kind of person and I'm working on changing things that I do and establishing boundaries. But the truth is all of this is making me think am I just one of those people who is meant to be alone because I have the inescapable feeling that that's the case, it's always difficult and feels like I'm working with one hand tied behind my back. I have always tried to be a fun positive person but my awareness of turning 40 next year and seeing all my friends back home married with kids just makes things worse. I'm aware that it's better to be single than be in a bad relationship and I know full well that the crazy lady would have been a bad fucking time. I honestly can't get out of this funk and it's making me think dark thoughts that I'd rather not have. I'm not really sure what to do. Any advice or insults would be deeply appreciated.
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Post by Danno on Feb 2, 2022 21:39:35 GMT
Straight up I've been feeling a lot of sadness of late, it's something I've tried to process and while I don't express it outwardly I've been finding life more and more difficult of late. Since my encounter with a very troubled lady friend that I wrote about in the dating thread I've become more and more aware that I've had nothing but difficulty with women in both relationships and getting a relationship off the ground. They've been pretty much all negative experiences where I've been belittled by one, picked and put down on a whim by another and so on. I am aware that I've been attracting the wrong kind of person and I'm working on changing things that I do and establishing boundaries. But the truth is all of this is making me think am I just one of those people who is meant to be alone because I have the inescapable feeling that that's the case, it's always difficult and feels like I'm working with one hand tied behind my back. I have always tried to be a fun positive person but my awareness of turning 40 next year and seeing all my friends back home married with kids just makes things worse. I'm aware that it's better to be single than be in a bad relationship and I know full well that the crazy lady would have been a bad fucking time. I honestly can't get out of this funk and it's making me think dark thoughts that I'd rather not have. I'm not really sure what to do. Any advice or insults would be deeply appreciated. I can sort of relate. I was engaged to someone I'd been with for ten years in the end, but it was never quite right. She was the love of my life, but nothing was ever good enough for her and I'd need to be Professor X to anticipate what she wanted me to do. It ended, I lost what little stake I had in a nice house, my dog, ended up house sharing again with a combination of housemates that left for work at 6am or got home from work to cook stinky, stinky food at 2am. I met someone a lot like me in outlook, interests, and for want of a better word, general vibe, soon after that. We initially bonded over a VGcats comic and things went haywire from there. Been together almost 5yeats now. Admittedly She's moving out in March but that's mostly a reflection of us being in the same room for 24 hours a day for nearly 2 years solid, plus my mental state just over a year ago, we both just need some space. They're out there Jambo, however weird you are (I'm plenty weird, I can't look people in the eye unless I'm going to fight them or fuck them). Maybe you're looking in the wrong places
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 21:43:13 GMT
I don't have any positive words, but I relate to that so full heartedly. I'm still a few years way from 40, but mid-30s I do feel like, if it hasn't happened yet, will it ever? If I meet the love of my life next year, I may not be in the physical position to make a Jr, and even if I am, how many years in his or her life do I really have? But more than that. Why do all of my relationships fall apart? I do attract a specific type as well. Maybe only specific mental wavelengths attract brown boys, and maybe that's both a problem with ourselves and with society that it takes a certain wavelength to gravitate towards us. Or maybe I'm feeling sorry for myself. Which I often can, as much as I try not to show it.
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Post by Danno on Feb 2, 2022 21:45:16 GMT
Anyway, you seem like a cool guy and you must be attractive to have had a shot with the ladies. Don't get discouraged too much dude. No-one is meant to be alone, especially decent people
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 21:46:55 GMT
Straight up I've been feeling a lot of sadness of late, it's something I've tried to process and while I don't express it outwardly I've been finding life more and more difficult of late. Since my encounter with a very troubled lady friend that I wrote about in the dating thread I've become more and more aware that I've had nothing but difficulty with women in both relationships and getting a relationship off the ground. They've been pretty much all negative experiences where I've been belittled by one, picked and put down on a whim by another and so on. I am aware that I've been attracting the wrong kind of person and I'm working on changing things that I do and establishing boundaries. But the truth is all of this is making me think am I just one of those people who is meant to be alone because I have the inescapable feeling that that's the case, it's always difficult and feels like I'm working with one hand tied behind my back. I have always tried to be a fun positive person but my awareness of turning 40 next year and seeing all my friends back home married with kids just makes things worse. I'm aware that it's better to be single than be in a bad relationship and I know full well that the crazy lady would have been a bad fucking time. I honestly can't get out of this funk and it's making me think dark thoughts that I'd rather not have. I'm not really sure what to do. Any advice or insults would be deeply appreciated. I can sort of relate. I was engaged to someone I'd been with for ten years in the end, but it was never quite right. She was the love of my life, but nothing was ever good enough for her and I'd need to be Professor X to anticipate what she wanted me to do. It ended, I lost what little stake I had in a nice house, my dog, ended up house sharing again with a combination of housemates that left for work at 6am or got home from work to cook stinky, stinky food at 2am. I met someone a lot like me in outlook, interests, and for want of a better word, general vibe, soon after that. We initially bonded over a VGcats comic and things went haywire from there. Been together almost 5yeats now. Admittedly She's moving out in March but that's mostly a reflection of us being in the same room for 24 hours a day for nearly 2 years solid, plus my mental state just over a year ago, we both just need some space. They're out there Jambo, however weird you are (I'm plenty weird, I can't look people in the eye unless I'm going to fight them or fuck them). Maybe you're looking in the wrong places But see.I wonder. Maybe opposites attract is actually real, and having someone too similar to me is not a great thing. I know when I relate to someone too much, personally I push away. Because I know my hangups, and in my experience of dating nerdy girls, it has not worked out for the best. I think meeting someone you're attracted to but lives differently helps because it makes you both look at different lifestyles than you've previously considered? Or maybe I'm full of shit. [/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 21:47:55 GMT
FWIW, I do assume Jambo to be mad sexy to get all the pretty Spanish ladies.
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Post by Danno on Feb 2, 2022 21:51:51 GMT
I can sort of relate. I was engaged to someone I'd been with for ten years in the end, but it was never quite right. She was the love of my life, but nothing was ever good enough for her and I'd need to be Professor X to anticipate what she wanted me to do. It ended, I lost what little stake I had in a nice house, my dog, ended up house sharing again with a combination of housemates that left for work at 6am or got home from work to cook stinky, stinky food at 2am. I met someone a lot like me in outlook, interests, and for want of a better word, general vibe, soon after that. We initially bonded over a VGcats comic and things went haywire from there. Been together almost 5yeats now. Admittedly She's moving out in March but that's mostly a reflection of us being in the same room for 24 hours a day for nearly 2 years solid, plus my mental state just over a year ago, we both just need some space. They're out there Jambo, however weird you are (I'm plenty weird, I can't look people in the eye unless I'm going to fight them or fuck them). Maybe you're looking in the wrong places But see.I wonder. Maybe opposites attract is actually real, and having someone too similar to me is not a great thing. I know when I relate to someone too much, personally I push away. Because I know my hangups, and in my experience of dating nerdy girls, it has not worked out for the best. I think meeting someone you're attracted to but lives differently helps because it makes you both look at different lifestyles than you've previously considered? Or maybe I'm full of shit. To over simplify, I went from an extremely materialistic relationship to one that is very much not. As an extreme example, we simply do not do Valentines Day, whereas my ex was disappointed with a weekend in Paris that was presented to her during a meal at the River Cafe
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 2, 2022 21:55:25 GMT
I have experience of that take take attitude.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 2, 2022 21:57:11 GMT
FWIW, I do assume Jambo to be mad sexy to get all the pretty Spanish ladies. Ha, only one Spanish lady, the others are from different countries. I think I'm going to just ride this sadness out, acknowledge it and accept it and move past it with time.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 2, 2022 21:57:45 GMT
Anyway, you seem like a cool guy and you must be attractive to have had a shot with the ladies. Don't get discouraged too much dude. No-one is meant to be alone, especially decent people Thanks Danno, hope things get a bit more clearer for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 22:00:58 GMT
FWIW, I do assume Jambo to be mad sexy to get all the pretty Spanish ladies. Ha, only one Spanish lady, the others are from different countries. I think I'm going to just ride this sadness out, acknowledge it and accept it and move past it with time. Spanish, Polish, French, whatever! You're a beautiful man, and never think different!
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Post by Danno on Feb 2, 2022 22:02:30 GMT
Anyway, you seem like a cool guy and you must be attractive to have had a shot with the ladies. Don't get discouraged too much dude. No-one is meant to be alone, especially decent people Thanks Danno, hope things get a bit more clearer for you. Likewise man, you deserve better, and it will happen
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Post by puddleduck on Feb 2, 2022 22:08:54 GMT
Sorry dude. Sounds like a tough place to be at the moment.
Something my wife says is we have the relationships we think we deserve. There's obviously more to it than that but if you can be open and honest with people you meet you'll hopefully find that you meet someone who that resonates with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 22:13:22 GMT
I don't think anyone is meant to be alone and I don't think anyone is doomed to attract a certain type. It might feel like it when you're on your own and over analysing, but it's not the case.
You need to keep putting yourself out there and you'll eventually find someone who you can tolerate and week can tolerate you. I'm not saying love because that stuff fades, but if you can find someone who can put up with the weirdness that is you and who you can put up with their oddities, then that's a good thing.
It can be a real rollercoaster finding someone though. I've been with some real oddballs - as have some of the women I've been with. You just need to be a bit careful about falling for someone before you know all about them, which is easier said than done. But there are normalish people out there and if you date enough people, you'll eventually find one. Hopefully you can then put up with each other... Or you can buy earplugs.🙂
I'm not a great person to live with, but I've managed to find someone who thinks the good outweighs the bad at least most of the time and they're sticking around and they make me smile more than they annoy me.
Anyway, it hurts splitting up and it's painful when you realise you've got a live one, but get through it and get looking again and learn from the last one. You're getting older sure, but hopefully a little wiser. I know my younger self would have doomed me to virginity, so it's a good job were learn. I was such a pillock. Shy with tons of religious guilt.
Anyway, you'll find someone. I know it doesn't feel like it now, but keep looking and you will.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 22:15:54 GMT
Jambowayoh DEPRESSED WANKER Its something to do with turning 40 that heightens things man. Trust me in that there's always something that we as people find that's bad, and fixate on it, more so during so called landmark dates and times. I know it's a cliche to say "count your blessings" and I'm not going to trundle it out here, but that doesn't mean it doesn't apply. It's so easy to look inward, and see the things that haven't had the outcome that we have expected, due to pressures and ideals that either we've put upon ourselves, or we feel society has put upon us. I know it's also easy to see 40 as some big landmark where everything in our lives should be "sorted". All I can say man is I've gone through a similar turmoil before I turned and since, and although I have a little more perspective now, I wouldn't consider myself through it by a long shot. What I have come to terms with is that 40 is just that. 40. It doesn't have to signify anything that we don't want it to. I'm not going to be glib and say "you'll meet the right person for you soon". But I also refuse to say "you won't". Shit never goes the way we think and all I'm saying is look up, and look forward. Not down and back. Things that change our lives are sometimes subtle, and small, and we don't know when it will happen. Don't be down thinking about the things that have or have not happened, that cannot be changed. Be yourself. Here's a game. For every negative thought that creeps into your head, I want you to counter it with something positive. Celebrate achievements, however small. You're young still, you've got this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 22:17:52 GMT
Sorry dude. Sounds like a tough place to be at the moment. Something my wife says is we have the relationships we think we deserve. There's obviously more to it than that but if you can be open and honest with people you meet you'll hopefully find that you meet someone who that resonates with. That reminds me, when I met my wife, after a while I wrote her a long email which told her all my bad points and all the things I've regretted and done wrong. I didn't want her finding out anything down the line and thinking what the hell had she got into. Not sure I'd recommend that is for most people, but I'm glad I did it...as I can now say "well I did warn you" in a really smug manner. But then, I warned her that I can be annoyingly smug at times 😉
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 22:19:53 GMT
Agree with Wunty (not Danno...I never agree with him!). I've dreaded every new decade, especially 50, but I honestly think I've become more content as I've got older. I don't care so much now and I'm happier because of it.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 2, 2022 22:40:15 GMT
My view on relationships is that you can only really be happy if you are happy with yourself. In my late 20s I had a pretty tumultuous and toxic relationship that was full of drama, make ups/break ups etc (and accusations of not doing enough etc) which only lasted about 2 years but was absolutely exhausting. Eventually I had had enough and got out of dodge. I then spent probably the next 3 years just being by myself, enjoying doing what I wanted to do (which was mostly drink heavily tbf). I was lucky I had some great mates around me. It was only after I'd sorted myself out that I was able to pick up the pieces again.
TL;DR - do you first before anything else.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 2, 2022 23:38:12 GMT
Thanks for all the thoughts guys. I'm going to try and take all the thoughts to heart rather than shutting myself off emotionally as I often do.
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