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Post by H-alphaFox on Aug 26, 2022 15:32:07 GMT
Yep, I find the whole 'Fuck it' mechanism to have been very liberating. Concentrate on yourself and family and check out from the rest of the shit show. Of course it takes a bit to get to that stage in ones head.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 26, 2022 15:44:45 GMT
Yep, I find the whole 'Fuck it' mechanism to have been very liberating. Concentrate on yourself and family and check out from the rest of the shit show. Of course it takes a bit to get to that stage in ones head. I am one of those people who went through 'a bit' to get to that stage in my head. I've honestly found it extremely liberating not letting every issue have equal weight like I used to, removing people who don't bring and joy and value to my life and doing whatever the fuck I want as long it has no negative effects on the people around me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 15:53:05 GMT
Trouble is that I genuinely give so few fucks now that even my empathy is going. Really struggling to feel anything in fact.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 16:19:29 GMT
Well what is it that you think you need to feel?
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 26, 2022 19:57:42 GMT
I'm not going to speak for wunty but having been in a place where I felt nothing much for a while, it wasn't any one specific emotion I wanted to feel, I just wanted to feel emotions again. Joy, sadness, worry, amusement, anything but the blank nothingness of it.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Aug 26, 2022 21:09:05 GMT
At my lowest I wasn't having anything from anyone, shut myself off completely and it wouldn't of mattered what anybody said. Wouldn't of even talked about it either so I think it is good that we are sharing here because I never had that.
It took a rather jarring shock of reality to snap me out of it enough to start functioning normallyish again or at least start getting my life back together. You know like actually functioning, working again and seeing people in general. I'd hate for anyone to get to the point I was. Never had suicidal thoughts but I gave up on all basic responsibilities of life, stopped turning up for work, stopped paying bills, slept all day just to get to the drink at night but even that became untenable pretty quickly and I still didn't give a shit.
This was many years ago, before I met my wife even and it's arguable I would not of met her if any of the above did not happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 21:17:53 GMT
Well what is it that you think you need to feel? Something. Anything. I get the impression that I’m just going through the motions with things like when I should be sad, I act sad but I don’t feel anything.
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 26, 2022 22:23:53 GMT
I've been there. I wish I could give you an easy solution but really it was just waiting and carrying on pretending until it stopped. It did stop eventually though.
Actually, that's a lie. Eventually I talked to my wife about it and got help.
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 26, 2022 23:39:46 GMT
Something. Anything. I get the impression that I’m just going through the motions with things like when I should be sad, I act sad but I don’t feel anything. That sounds like you've dissociated. I was having this earlier this year, before I came off the meds. I'd cook and eat an amazing meal and think "Okay, 5/10". Or do something I really used to enjoy and read a book at the pub and have whisky and a cigar and I'd just feel "I've done this, it's now done". Even sex was just "Alright, I'm feeling a bit bored". Coming off the meds has helped me a bit to feel more but I'm now like in the manic phase of bipolar disorder, just really all over the place. Are you talking about this with a therapist? If not, you probably should.
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Post by Bird Of Prey on Aug 27, 2022 6:54:29 GMT
When I've got a migraine my body pisses out all the seretonin which means the world is suddenly very very grey and joyless. I have to push through that knowing it will pass when my body rebuilds the seretonin, but it's hard going through it. Mindfulness helps as it's made me more self aware and I know it's not 'me', it's my body's chemical levels.
Aside from migraines, I do have a lot of very grey times. I don't have the joy that others have our that I remember once having. A few years back, I briefly experienced a moment of joy which felt like seeing in colour for a few seconds, but it went as quick as it came and left me in the grey.
What has helped with the grey is again mindfulness and journaling. Both have made me realise that I do laugh and smile and feel happy during most days and that the "meh" feeling is not as all pervasive as it seems (it is when I have a migraine). Journaling and the self reflection involved help me see this and also see what I'm grateful for and what I've achieved, even if I feel I've done nothing and had a shit day. Even in the shittest day, there's stuff to be grateful for, even if it's "just" having air in my lungs and the ability to write in a book.
My partner is always smiling and happy and I've no idea how they do it. However, that's them and this is me. All I can say is that being more self aware and more grateful and giving a shit less have helped all be it slowly, but I can see the slow progress and that makes me sort of happy.
Note, we are all different. Something I'm going through and the stuff that helps me isn't the same as everyone or even anyone else. I've lived in a grey limbo for years and think it was either stress or drink that caused it, but who knows and tbh who cares. Oh I'm also trying to improve my gut health as most of the body's seretonin is there and you really are what you eat.
Like I said, this is what helped and is helping me. Acceptance and greater self awareness. No magic pill (I tried them all) but sauerkraut... Which I sort of like now...sort of.
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 27, 2022 9:49:34 GMT
Something. Anything. I get the impression that I’m just going through the motions with things like when I should be sad, I act sad but I don’t feel anything. That sounds like you've dissociated. I was having this earlier this year, before I came off the meds. I'd cook and eat an amazing meal and think "Okay, 5/10". Or do something I really used to enjoy and read a book at the pub and have whisky and a cigar and I'd just feel "I've done this, it's now done". Even sex was just "Alright, I'm feeling a bit bored". Coming off the meds has helped me a bit to feel more but I'm now like in the manic phase of bipolar disorder, just really all over the place. Are you talking about this with a therapist? If not, you probably should. I've been trying to remember the name for this since yesterday. I think it's anhedonia.
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 27, 2022 10:45:45 GMT
Aside from migraines, I do have a lot of very grey times. I don't have the joy that others have our that I remember once having. A few years back, I briefly experienced a moment of joy which felt like seeing in colour for a few seconds, but it went as quick as it came and left me in the grey. I remember only one moment from my life when I felt unconditional happiness. This was when I was in the army and I had been sick as a dog so they put me in the hospital. I had been bedridden for a couple of days, not able to get up or anything. But that day I was starting to feel better so I went to the canteen and had a cup of black coffee and a jelly donut. I was looking out the window, it was snowing just a little and another serviceman was in the parking lot with his partner and their small baby. In that instant I felt happy. There was another moment but I've forgot it. Usually my happiness is marred by thinking too much. There was a study that concluded that if you smile more you feel more happy. If you want to try a bit of mood hacking you could try to take couple of slots of just a couple of minutes per day where you just focus on smiling. Not about anything in particular, just doing the physical activity of smiling with your face. Then see how that affects your mood journal for the week.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 27, 2022 11:16:05 GMT
I don't know if it helps, but after my dad died, I spent about 2, maybe 3 years completely numb and 'stuck'. Couldn't feel anything and nothing made any sense. Was disassociated from pretty much everything.
Eventually it drove me mad enough to go and see a grief counsellor.
I have no idea how she did it, but after about 4 or 5 sessions, I suddenly realised why I was stuck. My brain was trying to solve the problem that my dad had died and was refusing to budge until it had solved the problem.
Except it wasn't a problem. It was just something that had happened and my brain couldn't cope with the loss and it just turned it into a problem. The counselling helped me see that there was no problem and in that exact moment, I came out of what you could call an awake coma, if you like.
Sometimes if you're stuck and can't feel anything, it might be because you're trying to sort something out unconsciously in your head but you're going round in circles. Counselling can help in that regard for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 6:50:59 GMT
In lieu of formulating a big post just now, I think my tl;dr response is that yes, I think it is time to do something about this. I need to accept the fact that I cannot manage this on my own any more. I can’t face an indeterminate future of ups and downs, coupled with this complete numbness. It’s frustrating because when I view this from an outside perspective, I can see quite plainly that I could do with thrashing this all out. Just seems to be something I can’t admit that I need to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 6:54:52 GMT
I kind of hate how much people write off wunty. In this thread, but in general. A lot "I can't believe I'm agreeing with wunty.". Wunty likes to joke, yes, but when it comes to serious matters, he always tries to give honest helpful advice. Not just in the depression thread!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 7:03:06 GMT
As for myself, I've mostly been feeling okay lately. Maybe boosted by the fact that I'll be back in Hawai'i in about 2 weeks. So maybe my mind's prematurely on island time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 7:07:53 GMT
Thanks man. That’s really kind of you. I do type a LOT of shit to be fair and I don’t think anyone is totally serious, I take out all in good humour as it’s how I’m seeing myself up on here. I need the shit talk though, as there are a good bunch of people here and it cheers me up to just pop on and talk crap for a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 7:18:25 GMT
I can't speak for anyone else on here, but speaking for myself, you're loved here, man. Often I relate to you, and others like hickman, danno, dfunked.. and I don't have much to add because if I knew how to help things I'd take my own advice. But I really appreciate you sharing and trying to help and relate to others.
I've said it before, but you're forum royalty. This place wouldn't be the same without you.
Don't know why I added that last hit tbh, since you've never made it seemed as if you're leaving, but I already typed it so I won't bitch out and delete it now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 8:06:26 GMT
Thanks man. Honestly.
Also, the best thing about this thread is having the experiences of others here. I think that it’s always a source of great comfort, even if there is no quick fix solution (and of course, it’s never that easy). Being able to share experiences etc is surprisingly liberating.
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Post by Danno on Aug 28, 2022 8:33:10 GMT
Thanks man. Honestly. Being able to share experiences etc is surprisingly liberating. You. Get Therapy. Now. You've literally talked yourself into it with this sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 9:19:25 GMT
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 28, 2022 11:25:10 GMT
I can't speak for anyone else on here, but speaking for myself, you're loved here, man. Often I relate to you, and others like hickman, danno, dfunked.. and I don't have much to add because if I knew how to help things I'd take my own advice. But I really appreciate you sharing and trying to help and relate to others. I've said it before, but you're forum royalty. This place wouldn't be the same without you. Don't know why I added that last hit tbh, since you've never made it seemed as if you're leaving, but I already typed it so I won't bitch out and delete it now. It's not hard to know what to do, the hard part is admitting to ourselves that we need help to do it.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 28, 2022 11:38:04 GMT
Yes, that's the part that makes it real and subsequently can be quite difficult. However, once you do actually just come out and say it, it's there and then you can work on it. You've got to do that first bit though
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 31, 2022 10:00:38 GMT
"Any fool can cope with a crisis. The difficult thing is to cope with everyday life."
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Post by mrharvest on Sept 3, 2022 13:31:22 GMT
I'm gonna bump this.
So, I went off my anti-deps maybe three weeks ago now. It's mostly been positive, the withdrawal syndrome symptoms have mostly faded away. Today just feeling a bit rough with very low motivation to do anything. I don't want to play anything. It's a bit cold and rainy outside so I'm not so keen to lug my bike downstairs. I kinda feel like I want to go to the pub and have a smoke and a pint, but then I'm worried I'll just pick up more drinks on the way back. The missus is in Dublin at a conference so I've been hitting the bottle last two days.
Ennui is the perfect word for this feeling.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Sept 3, 2022 13:44:45 GMT
My dude, that sounds rough. Alcohol definitely isn’t helpful but I know why you do it, these days anything more than a couple of beers and I wake up with some mild despair. It’s just the chemicals, and I find it helps to remind myself that.
If you did want a drink then maybe taking the bike to the pub is the answer. I find nothing clears my head like going for a walk, you might have to force yourself but in some subconscious way I always feel better after.
Chin up though innit.
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Post by mrharvest on Sept 3, 2022 18:13:24 GMT
Well, I cut out the middle bit. I just went to the shop and bought a bottle of Bowmore and maltesers.
But yeah, fuck this. The weather here, it's been raining all day. If I walk to the local pub I get a bit wet but I don't aspire to go out for a bike ride in this weather. And even if I did, I'd have to carry my bike three flights down. It's not just that it's three flights but ridiculous narrow corridor. Like, who the fuck in the UK thought turning a house into three flats is a good idea? No, you knock out the wall between the two houses and you use that bit for public area. Then, you build the staircase outside. The indoor bit can be a public space with room to lock up bikes and baby buggies.
So I'm probably moving out of UK. I've got a job interview for a job in Finland on Tuesday. I just can't deal with this shit any longer. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with this country.
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 3, 2022 23:11:44 GMT
Well, I cut out the middle bit. I just went to the shop and bought a bottle of Bowmore and maltesers. But yeah, fuck this. The weather here, it's been raining all day. If I walk to the local pub I get a bit wet but I don't aspire to go out for a bike ride in this weather. And even if I did, I'd have to carry my bike three flights down. It's not just that it's three flights but ridiculous narrow corridor. Like, who the fuck in the UK thought turning a house into three flats is a good idea? No, you knock out the wall between the two houses and you use that bit for public area. Then, you build the staircase outside. The indoor bit can be a public space with room to lock up bikes and baby buggies. So I'm probably moving out of UK. I've got a job interview for a job in Finland on Tuesday. I just can't deal with this shit any longer. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with this country. Oh my god. Good luck. I hope you make it out of this dystopian shithole. Your new Prime Minister is really hot too.
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Post by mrharvest on Sept 4, 2022 6:29:25 GMT
Your new Prime Minister is really hot too. The current prime minister of Finland is a competent politician who is running an effective coalition government. Okay, yes, she's pretty hot too but that by the by. It just bugs me that's the first thing anyone says about her.
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 4, 2022 8:07:32 GMT
Your new Prime Minister is really hot too. The current prime minister of Finland is a competent politician who is running an effective coalition government. Okay, yes, she's pretty hot too but that by the by. It just bugs me that's the first thing anyone says about her. Yeah, fair comment.
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