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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 26, 2022 7:45:01 GMT
For sure they don't give a fuck, but even the British people have their limits.
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 26, 2022 8:01:34 GMT
Thanks man. I guess I just it very hard to imagine there's anything around the corner that's positive. I just can't think of anything substantial to look forward to. I'm really sorry to hear that mate. I know how it feels, I've been there. My therapist has recently been talking to me about depression being a natural reaction when faced with overwhelming situations. If there's nothing you can do about your surroundings, at some point your brain and body just decide to not try any more and shut off for a while to conserve energy. Typically after a while your situation would improve and you'd see a way out, but depression becomes chronic when you cannot find anything in the future that might make things better. It seemed to mesh quite closely with how I felt when my acute depression started. I just didn't see any reason to carry on living. Like I had tried everything and nothing was going to make any difference so why even bother. But six years later, I think I've now had enough time to re-evaluate my goals and needs. I think I've reconciled myself with the fact that I'll never have a permanent home anywhere and I'll just move country every couple of years. If nothing else, then at least make the impermanence permanent. I've been feeling okay enough that I've come off my meds for the first time since it started. I still feel really unhappy / empty occasionally but at least it's not permanent state.
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Post by Bird Of Prey on Aug 26, 2022 9:38:20 GMT
DrHickman. Easier said than done, but focus on now and not the future. The future does look bleak according to the media, but those lot revel in making us too terrified to do anything apart from hit F5 on their news site.
The cost of living is getting unaffordable and this will lead to changes in government one way or another as no one will be able to afford anything. Failing that we need to do what we can to try and cope. We've got a bit used to having excess and what we want and that stuff is in short supply at the moment. Once the government have selected a new lunatic in chief, they will need to address this one way or another and until then try and just enjoy the day as best you can.
Today, its a nice sunny day with a long weekend ahead. We can all afford access to the internet and we're doing a lot better than most of the world who can't. You can't change this current situation, but who knows what will happen tomorrow. Maybe Putin will die or we'll discover a new source of energy or aliens will arrive and save us from ourselves. One thing is certain in life is that nothing stays the same and is always changing. Often that change is for the better.
Take care of yourself and maybe keep off the internet and get outside and do something nice for yourself. Its not burying your head, its relaxing.
Life is hard and scary at times, but we're all here and to do so we've beaten loads of odds and done incredibly well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 9:40:41 GMT
If there's any comfort to be had about the whole cost of living thing, is that we're all in the same fucking boat. The boat that's filled with shit and riddled with holes and is slowly sinking into a swamp that's also filled with shit.
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 26, 2022 9:53:43 GMT
That shit was pumped there by the sewage treatment facilities when the government decided to remove the restrictions. Look at what's wrong, figure out how to fix it, and then work together to solve it. #politics
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 26, 2022 9:58:09 GMT
I rewatched an episode of Avatar: The Last Airbender where a Fire Nation factory was polluting the water and poisoning the fish that a village of their own citizens relied upon.
Based on that I think we just need to learn Water Bending and pose as the rivers spirit, and sabotage the factory.
I think the metaphor breaks down somewhere 🤔
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 26, 2022 10:18:46 GMT
I meant more like replace the government with one that's actually looking out for the majority of the people, instead of the corporations. But water bending, sure, whatever floats your boat. *badum-tish*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 10:20:52 GMT
drhickman1983 So is it the whole cost of living thing specifically that's setting you off just now, or is that just the icing on a particularly large and turnip filled cake?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 26, 2022 10:34:18 GMT
@wuntyate
The cost of living thing is certainly the current trigger, but it's just life in general.
Things are objectionably okay, I guess. But just in general, it's hard to feel much enthusiasm for the future because at best it just looks so... Grey.
I know the future isn't written, it's in my control (well, to a degree at least) but I don't really have any great aspirations left these days (as they've all turned to ash) so it's hard to focus on change when there's no particular direction.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 10:50:02 GMT
drhickman1983 I know exactly how you feel man. I've been in a horrid rut this past week. I was doing okay for a few but I've really bottomed out. Everything is stagnant. Every time I'm doing okay I recall my age, the gulf of time between my younger aspirational years and now. I constantly wonder how the fuck I got here and where it all went. I feel and act exactly the same as I always have and constantly have a blind panic that I'm running out of time. It hits me worse at night, which is pretty standard, generally as I'm about to go to sleep. I never feel good about myself or anything I'm fucking doing. Every time I feel like I've taken a step forward I then take two or three big steps back. I don't know what the solution is. I guess I just keep thinking that around the corner things will be different, and that's what I'm focusing on. it's worth focusing on that. We can only look to now and what's behind us and judge it accordingly. I can't accept that we write off the future though, no matter how bleak we feel the outlook is. Isn't this a mid life crisis?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 26, 2022 10:53:10 GMT
I think I've had this midlife crisis for most of the just ten years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 10:55:18 GMT
I thought it was at first but in my case none of this is new. Ever since my later teens / early twenties. Always had a coping mechanism and took solace in the fact that I was young. None of my coping things seem to work much any more and of course, time isn't a thing to take comfort in any more either. Doesn't help the nights are starting to draw in.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 11:09:52 GMT
Yeah, but that's what happens in a mid life crisis. You grow up and go through it all - lots of shit stuff that you have to process, and then one day (normally around the 50 mark or when some other really big bullshitty things come along) where you just think, what's the fucking point of all this etc?
Then people go out and buy sports cars, because, why the fuck not. Other people ignore it. Other people get pissed. Other people do whatever they can do.
I don't think there's supposed to be any answers to life, and I think it's around this time where you go, "oh, right, so there's no sort of plan then, and no real meaningful thing going on?" And then you think, well, fucking hell, why have I just worked like fuck to come out the other side with something and there's fuck all?
And the answers is No. There isn't. It's just life.
It's how you respond to that I think.
I've responded by reducing the amount of fucks I give about things. There's only 2 or 3 things left now, and it makes it easier. That and getting closer to nature which really helps me. Nature doesn't lie - you can see exactly how life works when you observe it.
That and having beer and smokes too.
And music. Music is everything. (to me)
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 11:18:51 GMT
In fact, my response was the music, thinking about it. I remember thinking what's the fucking point etc after a particularly shitty time, and I asked myself, "What exactly, is stopping you do the music? You've always wanted to do it, yet you've never actually *done it*".
And I couldn't think of an answer why I hadn't done it. And instead of going all procrastinating again, I just said, "Fuck it." And went out and bought shit loads of shiny instruments and spent a fortune that I don't have. So what. Fuck em. I've paid it all off now which has taken even more fucking time, but it was the right thing to do. Now all I want to do is stop work and just piss around on synths and bass until I fall over. That'll do.
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 26, 2022 11:20:28 GMT
I think some of it is coming to the realisation that it's OK not to be rich or famous or highly successful and just have an ordinary life. That's what most people have. That's hard to do because the rich and famous and successful are thrown in our faces by the media all the time. For most of us it's about learning to see the small pleasures and our particular unique lives as worthwhile in themselves. Not claiming I've got that nailed, but it's what I try to do.
I still recommend buying a sports car though. It's bloody good fun.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 11:30:41 GMT
Yeah, agreed with that. For instance, I went into the Capitalism thread after this one, and it's just hugely depressing. However, I don't have to respond to any of it. And then I went to the bbc webpage. Jesus, if you want depressing and miserable, just go there. Or don't! That's the point. 90% of things on social media are all emotionally driven so you click on it because it's triggered and emotion. And now they've got their cash, and you just get more pissed off after reading said article. The reality of course, is that we're just living our own lives and we can set our own boundaries and choose to engage in activities we want to. We can't all swan round like David Essex. I still recommend expensive synths though. They're bloody good fun too
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 26, 2022 11:37:24 GMT
@wuntyate The cost of living thing is certainly the current trigger, but it's just life in general. Things are objectionably okay, I guess. But just in general, it's hard to feel much enthusiasm for the future because at best it just looks so... Grey. I know the future isn't written, it's in my control (well, to a degree at least) but I don't really have any great aspirations left these days (as they've all turned to ash) so it's hard to focus on change when there's no particular direction. Hey. It's me again. Remember what I said?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 26, 2022 11:39:06 GMT
I'd be quite happy with an ordinary life. I don't particularly want an extravagant life, things like status don't really really bother me and I've no real interest in accumulating wealth for the sake of it. Have no particular interest in having a partner (though I might need shack up with somebody just to be able to rent somewhere soon.
I want a place of my own though. Even though I've liked most of the people I've shared houses with I'd hoped I'd be past this by now, as even though I'm able to do most things just fine it always feels tiring to just have others floating around. Even if we all try to avoid getting in the others way, it's inevitable.
And there really is nothing I particularly want to do. I made an attempt to get back into but found zero inspiration. I like the idea of being creative but in practice it just meant doing a few half arsed scrawlings then getting bored.
I try to avoid news, but it's hard to avoid it entirely. I'd much rather be in a totally naive bubble tbh.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 11:54:02 GMT
I think what Sarfrin is getting at is that even on an unconscious level, your brain takes in all the shit you see on the internet. This in turn makes you evaluate yourself with what you're seeing online. It's inevitable when there's so much shit flying about.
Imagine instead just living in a small cabin somewhere peaceful, with a pub maybe within walking distance and you can pick and choose whenever you want to do whatever you want to do.
I also think that it's not very easy to decide what it is you want to do, when you're in this current situation. It's hard to get a clear perception with all the shit flying around.
You've mentioned about sharing households before. Perhaps looking at a plan where you can start to put that into motion might give you a bit of a focus?
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Post by mrharvest on Aug 26, 2022 12:10:41 GMT
And then I went to the bbc webpage. Jesus, if you want depressing and miserable, just go there. I try not to read any news outlets. But I do follow www.instagram.com/positivenewsuk/ for an almost daily bit of nice news.
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Post by Bird Of Prey on Aug 26, 2022 12:43:26 GMT
There's a lot of truth in what Quadfather says. I went through a lot of "I'm a failure" and "I'm never going to do all those things I wanted to do" when I hit 50. It's taken a long time, but I'm now (mostly) okay with that.
It took a lot of adapting though and I did have lots of "if only I'd done" thoughts. However, things could be a lot worse and I'm here to moan about it and I'm probably more comfortable in my wrinkly skin now than I've ever been. Sure I'd like to be in this mindset in a body that wasn't so frail, but I'd probably just get pissed and think fuck it who wants to live forever, like I did as a kid.
Also, as Quaddy again says, we take in a shit load of information each day and it's mentally exhausting and not good for you. I read somewhere that these days we take in more information about the world in a week than a person a couple of hundred years ago would have in their lifetime. We're not built for it and it's addicting.
Talking of which I need to log off and listen to the neighbors water feature and the birds and just chill.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 13:00:32 GMT
Like, just now I had a few minutes and pissed about on youtube. Saw this footage from 1906 some guy had restored in colour. Just a street in San Francisco. My inital awe soon left me when I realised every single living thing in that footage was dead. Now I'm sitting here going what the fuck is the fucking point.
I am aware i'm not helping, and I don't want to divert attention away but it seems to take someone else to post in here before I can begin to articulate how fucking shite I fel. I seem to be in a similar spiral to drhickman at present.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 26, 2022 13:03:30 GMT
Like, just now I had a few minutes and pissed about on youtube. Saw this footage from 1906 some guy had restored in colour. Just a street in San Francisco. My inital awe soon left me when I realised every single living thing in that footage was dead. Now I'm sitting here going what the fuck is the fucking point. I am aware i'm not helping, and I don't want to divert attention away but it seems to take someone else to post in here before I can begin to articulate how fucking shite I fel. I seem to be in a similar spiral to drhickman at present. I would counter that and say you should think of the good that you have that some people don't, such as family, being a father, having a creative mind. All positive things dude.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 26, 2022 13:11:55 GMT
I think your options are to explore religion or accept that the point is that you were born so here we are. Experience being a human- stop looking ahead or behind and enjoy the moment. Eat a sausage- you like them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 13:20:00 GMT
I have a lot to be thankful for. No doubt there. So why can’t my brain just accept that. I don’t even know what it’s chasing.
Stupid fucking brain.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 14:15:42 GMT
It's the mid life crisis man. It's all boiled up over the years and now it's this stupid malaise which makes you think you gotta chase things. There's *nothing to chase*! Just live your life with your family.
Pick a couple of really small things that you like. Only a couple and just do them now and again. Don't go mad, just tinker.
Every time you think like you did about that san Francisco thing, say these words out loud -
"here, and now"
Balance the crud with something positive.
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 26, 2022 14:31:11 GMT
I have a lot to be thankful for. No doubt there. So why can’t my brain just accept that. I don’t even know what it’s chasing. Stupid fucking brain. Brains are our own worst enemies sometimes. Or at least parts of them are. Sorry you're feeling bad.
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Post by Bird Of Prey on Aug 26, 2022 14:33:34 GMT
Yup. We're not here to be remembered nor to do amazing things nor to fill that bucket list nor to be rich nor to do any of that shit that is so inconsequential. We're just here to be.
I could have spent this afternoon training or doing some other stuff that I felt I should do, but instead I'm going to copy my cat and have a snooze. I've never seen that little so and so up all night worrying if he'll have biscuits in the morning nor how he's looking in the mirror nor any of the bollocks I worry about. He's certainly never heard of the Ukraine or price caps. That's probably why he's purring.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 26, 2022 14:38:21 GMT
Also cleans his own arse with his tongue though
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Post by quadfather on Aug 26, 2022 15:27:21 GMT
Imagine though, not giving a fuck that much, you'll happily clean your arsehole with your tongue in front of people.
But seriously, if you watch nature and animals, this is how we're designed to live. I'm 100% sure that we weren't designed to deal with shit like going to an office, or worrying about bills and whether you can afford that holiday that everyone else is saying you need to go on.
Fuck off, the lot of it!
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