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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 22:40:04 GMT
You should, bro. Listen to a lot of John Bonham and Dave Grohl for inspiration.
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Post by Danno on Jun 7, 2022 22:49:07 GMT
You should, bro. Listen to a lot of John Bonham and Dave Grohl for inspiration. I know how to make a drumskin wish it didn't exist and your namechecks are 2 and 1 on the list . My ink is all Zeppelin based (and I've been saving pennies in case it needs adjusting or covering, but apparently they waited for a YES or, at least, not a 'fuck off'.
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Post by Danno on Jun 8, 2022 7:23:23 GMT
I almost never cry* but I've been in a weird welling up spot all weekend. Bloody hell, not today. I'm on the bus to work and won't be home for 10 hours ffs!
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 10, 2022 8:31:06 GMT
mrharvest Man, please call Samaritans - 116 123 You need to talk all this through with someone. All I'll say is life IS worth living, even if sometimes it doesn't feel that way. This is not the route you want to go down. It might feel like it's the only way, but it's not. Things might feel like a never ending cycle, but, again, it's not. Things can and will change for the better. Please call that number. Thank you all for chipping in. I carry a card for Lifeline in my pocket at all times, it's basically Northern Ireland's version of Samaritans as far as I know, and I know I can call them if I need to. I'm feeling a bit better now, so thank you all for your concern. But bit of a rant here, it's also what bothers me about mental health in the UK (and elsewhere too). It's so very focused on suicide prevention. I've been suffering from depression for the last 5-6 years. It's affecting my life every day. But as long as I'm a productive member of the society and don't talk about offing myself all I get from my GP is a 5 minute phone call every two months. Yeah, I've had like 5 years of therapy, which outside of Finland I've paid for myself privately. And really like, the underlying issues haven't been addressed at all. The depression is still affecting my life every day. Yes, I can function normally a lot of the time but as soon as something happens and I start thinking about why I'm depressed in the first place it's like *BAM* *fuck you Johnny!* And to get over it I just have to cope with that until I forget what I was thinking about in the first place. I'm really questioning if human life really is that valuable. Why should /I/ personally stay alive just to be miserable? My brain is malfunctioning, there's no cure, or if there is I don't have access to it. I'm just one individual out of 8 billion, I really don't think I'm anything so special that I should have to shoulder the burden of carrying on. Yes, I understand all the arguments for staying alive (maybe it'll get better, it's just a quirk of my brain chemistry, other people would be inconvenienced by my departure, maybe some religious entity will condemn me), but I'm just really questioning if it's just a social taboo instead of an actual philosophical truth. Anyway. Feeling a bit better now. I'll try to forget the big picture thinking and just focus on the here and now.
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Post by unrealkilla on Jun 10, 2022 8:58:45 GMT
I've been feeling a bit depressed about life recently, like what's the point.
I've got just over a grand left from that 3K. I just bought a pair of Tommy Hilfiger swimming trunks for the sauna for £65, and the Star Trek films 1-4 4K boxset. I think that's the last of the spending now.
But I'm feeling really ok in some ways. Getting back in to the gym after the pandemic is really helping me, keeping myself strictly to a minimum of two visits a week.
I heard recently a good bit of wisdom from an mma fighter, relating to fitness. And that's not to bank on feelings of motivation. When it comes to fitness and combat sports training, discipline is far more important than motivation.
I know that's not strictly focused on mental health, but it's true of physical activity and I believe it can be true of life. Set yourself a goal, a routine in your life that you are going to do X activity X number of times a week, and stick to it. Build within yourself the expectation that you will succeed, not fail, to meet your goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 9:45:03 GMT
mrharvest Man, please call Samaritans - 116 123 You need to talk all this through with someone. All I'll say is life IS worth living, even if sometimes it doesn't feel that way. This is not the route you want to go down. It might feel like it's the only way, but it's not. Things might feel like a never ending cycle, but, again, it's not. Things can and will change for the better. Please call that number. Thank you all for chipping in. I carry a card for Lifeline in my pocket at all times, it's basically Northern Ireland's version of Samaritans as far as I know, and I know I can call them if I need to. I'm feeling a bit better now, so thank you all for your concern. But bit of a rant here, it's also what bothers me about mental health in the UK (and elsewhere too). It's so very focused on suicide prevention. I've been suffering from depression for the last 5-6 years. It's affecting my life every day. But as long as I'm a productive member of the society and don't talk about offing myself all I get from my GP is a 5 minute phone call every two months. Yeah, I've had like 5 years of therapy, which outside of Finland I've paid for myself privately. And really like, the underlying issues haven't been addressed at all. The depression is still affecting my life every day. Yes, I can function normally a lot of the time but as soon as something happens and I start thinking about why I'm depressed in the first place it's like *BAM* *fuck you Johnny!* And to get over it I just have to cope with that until I forget what I was thinking about in the first place. I'm really questioning if human life really is that valuable. Why should /I/ personally stay alive just to be miserable? My brain is malfunctioning, there's no cure, or if there is I don't have access to it. I'm just one individual out of 8 billion, I really don't think I'm anything so special that I should have to shoulder the burden of carrying on. Yes, I understand all the arguments for staying alive (maybe it'll get better, it's just a quirk of my brain chemistry, other people would be inconvenienced by my departure, maybe some religious entity will condemn me), but I'm just really questioning if it's just a social taboo instead of an actual philosophical truth. Anyway. Feeling a bit better now. I'll try to forget the big picture thinking and just focus on the here and now. I can't pretend that you don't have a point, because you do. It's the whole existential dread isn't it. Like when you figure that, even excluding the amount of humans on the planet now, there have also been billions before us, and will (if the planet survives) be billions more after us. We are grains of sand. Yet we are here, and it's better, most of the time, to ignore the big picture. The more we try to fathom it, the more insignificant it can make you feel. So don't look for the big things, for the reason. Look for the small things, the little things that bring you joy. There's so much there, we just have to see it. It can be as little as that pleasure from the first coffee of a day to something more profound. I can get caught up on why the fuck am I bothering, what's the point of me being here. There's no fucking easy answers. That's why religion exists, as some people find it gives them some.
What I'm saying is I get where you're coming from, but, again, I firmly don't believe the answer is to not be here instead. There isn't an answer, not really. All the things you've said about it getting better, other people missing you, brain chemicals etc etc, that's all true, but none of that helps when you feel like you do. And you can argue the toss about it being better not being here, but that is a definitivite full stop. We'll reach that point eventually, each and every one of us. It's the between now and then though. There is dark shit, of course, but as I said above, there are small joys to be found and why not experience them? Because they are there.
Yes it's all focused on suicide prevention but unfortunately it's because what leads us to that point is a lot of the time so nebulous, so hard to fathom. There's no quick fix, or magical therapy that sorts your brain out. A lot of the time it's juggling, and I know it gets tiring, but keep juggling, and look for the good shit. But most importantly stay with us, and post in here. Maybe your therapy hasn't helped, maybe it never will completely, but enjoy the times you feel good, and rant away in here with us when you don't. Phone your lifeline number when you feel it.
Anyway, I know I'm not much help, but you need to remember that on this beach full of billions of other grains of sand like you, you're not alone and you never are in feeling the way you do, so talk to us.
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Post by cubby on Jun 10, 2022 10:02:07 GMT
Obviously it's my own experience, and I've never had it as bad as you've described mrharvest, but mindfulness (using guided meditation app like Mindfulness Coach which was made for US army vets) I found really helpful for working on overthinking and anxiety, which sound like some of the aspects you're wanting help with.
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 10, 2022 10:30:50 GMT
So don't look for the big things, for the reason. Look for the small things, the little things that bring you joy.
That's essentially the issue. When my depression gets bad I don't get enjoyment from anything. Nothing feels good. I try to do all the things that I know I really enjoy, like smoke a cigar and read a book, drink my coffee, have sex, have a long shower, listen to music. And when the brain stuffs are really bad then all of that gives me is like a 5/10 "okay, I've done that thing". It hasn't always been this bad. When I first got out of the worst of the depression I moved to Greece for a year. I was ecstatic for the first two months. I was really excited to go to work, to buy cheese from the pretty girl at the shop who barely spoke any English, to eat a spinach pie. You know. But then as the therapy and the general weariness of life started to press down on me I lost more and more of that enjoyment. I moved to the UK and it was fine for a bit. Now I've been here three years, maybe it's time for me to pack my bags and go somewhere else again but I've done it so many times. One ex said to me (she was a psychologist) that it's part of my nature, that I cannot deal with things being static. But at the same time I'm tired of moving around all the time too. That's why it's starting to feel like maybe I'm just done, you know? I feel like I've paid my dues. I've made money for a few companies. I've been a teacher in Africa. I've helped sexual minorities in South Korea. I've worked on a couple of films, recorded 600 episodes of broadcast TV, had a photo exhibition, played on an album and an EP and maybe a hundred live gigs, written a novella. I don't have any debt and I've got a bit of savings. I've done enough shit to feel like I've honestly given it a good old college try. Do I really have to do more stuff? If I had my brain chemistry in the state where I got normal satisfaction from doing stuff I think I'd be fine. It's just. Yesterday I cooked some chicken. Moroccan spice rub, oven roast vegetables, giant couscous. The missus said it's one of the best foods I've ever cooked and I cook a lot. And I was like "Okay, yeah, it's nice." Nothing does anything to me. And I think if the only way I feel stuff anymore is if I just move myself into an entirely new environment every two years, dunno, I don't think that's sustainable. TLDR; Brain bork. Send halp. Nah, you're grand.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 10, 2022 10:55:31 GMT
Just out of interest how old are you?
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 10, 2022 12:03:56 GMT
Just out of interest how old are you? I'm 42. Why?
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Post by puddleduck on Jun 10, 2022 12:09:59 GMT
That sounds really tough dude. Have you ever planned how you would end things? Like how much have you thought about it?
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Post by quadfather on Jun 10, 2022 12:11:34 GMT
Just wondered really. In my late 40's I started feeling the similar burn out / exhaustion thing. Like Wunty says, the more you focus on 'what's it all about', the more it doesn't help I find.
I eventually just accepted that I'm a grain of sand on a beach too, along with everyone else. And then I realised that I don't need to find some meaningful purpose in life. I'm just going to live it, and try and enjoy what time I have left. I think that's really important when you get to our age, with all the stuff we've seen and gone through. Everyone goes through it in varying degrees. You can stress about it, or just accept it and not have huge expectations.
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Post by Danno on Jun 10, 2022 12:13:11 GMT
Just out of interest how old are you? I'm 42. Why? Just out of interest. It says so right there. I'm glad the crisis has subsided a bit. As others have said, and if it might help at all, feel free to vent on here. Happy to chat in PM as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 12:30:28 GMT
mrharvestYou've crammed an impressive amount of stuff in man. I think I would be in danger of trying to break down your posts and try to help you in overcoming your feelings, which is not what here is for, nor is it my place to. As far as a listening ear goes however, I can do that forever. Perhaps you are putting too much pressure on yourself to feel a certain way? It's no secret as we get older we get less excited about things. We've seen it all before. When I say look for the joy, even a 5/10 is good. Not everything needs to be 10/10 amazing. Hell, I don't know if I'll ever feel that again either, but I don't mind. It's ever decreasing peaks with bigger troughs isn't it. But talk, and keep talking.
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 10, 2022 12:38:56 GMT
It's ever decreasing peaks with bigger troughs isn't it. But talk, and keep talking. That's what I'm worried about. Just doesn't seem to be worth it, in the cost / benefit analysis. Like back in medieval times when 40 was an advanced age, I feel like maybe that was how humans were meant to be. But yeah, again, thank you all for reading my ramblings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 13:00:57 GMT
It's ever decreasing peaks with bigger troughs isn't it. But talk, and keep talking. That's what I'm worried about. Just doesn't seem to be worth it, in the cost / benefit analysis. Like back in medieval times when 40 was an advanced age, I feel like maybe that was how humans were meant to be. But yeah, again, thank you all for reading my ramblings. Probably. Our brains no doubt go "ahhh what the fuck am I still doing swimming around this bone box at this age aaaaahhhh". Stupid brains.
You're the same age as me nearly. You've definitely experienced more than I have, but I do very much identify with what you're saying. Read a few pages back and my own ramblings are there to see. Ups and downs. The difference is mine are quite manic at times and I have crazy highs whereas you seem to be flatlining. My wife is on anti-depressants and they seem to help her. She was on different ones a few years back that fucked her up, but these are good. I should go and see about the same, but my own opinions on such things don't marry up with that.
My own opinion (obvs - all this is, so please take it all as such) is that there's no real tangible solution to any of this, that much I'm sure. There's stuff that helps, no doubt, but as a complete fix? I don't believe it exists. See my point about religion, I honestly think that's why it's there.
Again, the results to all this existentialism - taking your life is not the way forward, and it is never the only way. You have experienced a lot, and we have reached the age we have. Sometimes this dark shit can have a grip for quite some time. it can feel endless. That does NOT mean to say it will always rule you. The future is a big fuck off unknown. Keep it that way. Don't give yourself an end point when you don't know what is between now and then. You have felt like nothing impacts you, and have felt that a while, so you shape your future by your past and present, when you don't know what's going to come up for you. What if you had a real chance to further impact upon another life in a positive way? What if there was this mising piece that seemed to show you a way forward? This isn't a Richard Curtis movie, I'm not saying that things will magically happen and everything will be awesome, then the credits roll. Just keep giving it all a chance.
Christ, I ramble don't I.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 10, 2022 13:15:44 GMT
It's ever decreasing peaks with bigger troughs isn't it. But talk, and keep talking. That's what I'm worried about. Just doesn't seem to be worth it, in the cost / benefit analysis. Like back in medieval times when 40 was an advanced age, I feel like maybe that was how humans were meant to be. But yeah, again, thank you all for reading my ramblings. What worries you about it? And it is, basically, what it is. If we were supposed to only live to about 40, but now it's about 70-80 because of medicine and whatever else, then that's that. What is it, specifically, that makes you worry about this?
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 10, 2022 13:51:48 GMT
And it is, basically, what it is. If we were supposed to only live to about 40, but now it's about 70-80 because of medicine and whatever else, then that's that. What is it, specifically, that makes you worry about this? Because I don't want a life that's on average below 5/10. In my good year (before the trip to Turkey) I was hitting 8/10 on good days and maybe 4/10 on bad days. That was acceptable. Now I'm hitting 6/10 in my good moments and 2/10 rest of the time. Honestly in my life I've only ever couple of times been 10/10. The only time I clearly remember was when I was 18. I was in the military, had a bad influenza and had to be hospitalised. I remember sitting in the cafeteria eating a jelly donut and drinking an average cup of coffee, after spending 3 days in bed with a drip. Down in the parking lot there was another infantryman meeting partner and their young baby. I felt happy in that moment. Now if the peaks get lower as we get older, and the troughs get wider, then that'll bring the average down surely? I don't want that.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 10, 2022 14:05:35 GMT
Yeah, I get that.
But if you keep searching for these 8/10 moments, you're just setting yourself up for a fall. It's like chasing the perfect woman. They don't exist. And when something you think is half decent happens, you're measuring it against this 10 out of 10 scale, which isn't really applicable in life. Because life doesn't listen to anyone - it just does it's thing.
Maybe if you just don't look for things and just experience what's going on in the present, you can remove this 10 out of 10 thing, and stop comparing things. That way, like Wunty says, you'll start to notice the little things, and there's lots of them.
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Post by Sarfrin on Jun 10, 2022 15:34:59 GMT
I think scoring every hour of your life out of 10 sounds exhausting. You can't properly enjoy things if you're always comparing them to the best moments of your life.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jun 10, 2022 15:41:42 GMT
”Comparison is the thief of joy.” – Theodore Roosevelt.
You can waste a lifetime on "why" instead of enjoying being alive.
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Post by cubby on Jun 10, 2022 15:47:39 GMT
A lot of anxiety is focusing/fixating on the past or future and not being present in the moment.
I believe that's why mindfulness (as difficult as it can be for a lot of people, my partner categorically refuses to do it) is a great tool to help steer you to being a bit more present.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jun 10, 2022 15:55:14 GMT
You’re just a program running on a meat computer. No one can predict the future, but how you react to that future has already been set in stone. So sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 16:05:32 GMT
A meat computer! I like that.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 10, 2022 16:08:49 GMT
Good name for a song
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 16:08:58 GMT
The Matrix is real 👀
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 10, 2022 16:10:00 GMT
You’re just a program running on a meat computer. No one can predict the future, but how you react to that future has already been set in stone. So sit back and enjoy the ride. Maybe. We might be a quantum meat computer and then no one can predict how the quantum meat computer reacts to the unknowable future.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 10, 2022 16:12:58 GMT
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Post by quadfather on Jun 10, 2022 16:46:28 GMT
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 10, 2022 17:01:33 GMT
Always brings a smile to my face.
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