スコットランド
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Post by スコットランド on Apr 12, 2022 17:42:16 GMT
People gave you another chance and you just slip into the same old shit again as soon as you get the opportunity to. I’m bored with grudges , please contribute to the discussion. |
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Post by elstoof on Apr 12, 2022 18:31:57 GMT
Song and Microsoft are going to feel awfully silly spending all that money on optimised AMD desktop processors when Nintendo drop a budget satnav based tablet that does twice the graphics
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Post by Lizard on Apr 12, 2022 18:41:05 GMT
I'm hoping for textured polygons.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 12, 2022 19:30:35 GMT
I'm hoping for textured polygons. Oooh and some gouraud shading. |
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Post by elstoof on Apr 12, 2022 19:49:36 GMT
If it does parallax scrolling and auto mipmapping I’ll eat my hat
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Post by Frog on Apr 12, 2022 19:53:24 GMT
Bringing back mode 7.
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Post by Onny on Apr 12, 2022 19:55:03 GMT
Handheld Axelay as a launch title.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 12, 2022 19:58:54 GMT
Maybe they can ask Sega how to do Blast Processing. |
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Post by steifybobbins on Apr 12, 2022 20:04:15 GMT
I despair at this forum sometimes. Isn't it possible that people can have differing opinions that they truly believe in? Is it not also acceptable to share an example like the COD example without it being twisted into much more than it ever was? Is it unthinkable that some of us may find the switch plenty powerful while others do not? An opinion is subjective by its nature. Could we maybe try and have a discussion where everyone's thoughts are heard and debated without falling into childish waffle in an effort to be "Right"? The subject being discussed can't be anything other than subjective. There is no Right or wrong point of view only preference and any effort to prove your point to be the absolute truth is both futile and really quite silly. I bet most of us are more than old enough to know better too.
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Post by Frog on Apr 12, 2022 20:07:40 GMT
Steify, have you played Pokémon arceus (I've probably butchered the spelling) at all, did you find the texture work and performance acceptable there? The switch is definitely struggling hardware wise nowadays and developers are struggling to port games over to it so you are seeing less variety in games.
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Post by JuniorFE on Apr 12, 2022 20:24:29 GMT
Steify, have you played Pokémon arceus (I've probably butchered the spelling) at all, did you find the texture work and performance acceptable there? The switch is definitely struggling hardware wise nowadays and developers are struggling to port games over to it so you are seeing less variety in games. Since I have, I might as well offer an opinion here... The art style follows the same trend as BotW, in that they've tried to mask any hardware weaknesses through art direction. Does it work, that's subjective, but I'd say it does. Does it look as good as it could look on a Switch 2 or another console entirely? Well no, but it certainly doesn't look bad... The only issues I've seen graphics- and texture-wise are some obvious pop-in when flying around (which BotW also had to an extent) and some random stuttering grass during fights. Performance issues... Honestly, no. No slowdown or framerate issues, loading times aren't jarring... It runs well imo, and it helps that the turn-based combat ensures it never gets as frantic as other games could get. Don't get me wrong, I also believe the Switch is aging hardware and due for a big upgrade. I also admit that I'm probably less critical of graphics (in general, not just on the Switch) than others. However, in this specific case the game just doesn't run badly, certainly not nearly as badly as I and a lot of people feared. And the Switch is more than five years old at this point, too, it's not odd for it to be showing its age... |
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Post by スコットランド on Apr 12, 2022 21:59:12 GMT
Don't the Pokemon games always look relatively shit?
That Arceus one (from what I've seen) doesn't look anywhere near as good as BOTW despite coming 5/6 years later.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Apr 12, 2022 22:06:09 GMT
I don't think it will matter what the specs are, it'll have Mario, Zelda and Pokemon on it and sell loads. Unless they Wii U it up
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 12, 2022 22:13:24 GMT
I don't think it will matter what the specs are, it'll have Mario, Zelda and Pokemon on it and sell loads. Unless they Wii U it up Yeah, I think they'll be fine. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Apr 12, 2022 23:30:10 GMT
I don't think it will matter what the specs are, it'll have Mario, Zelda and Pokemon on it and sell loads. Unless they Wii U it up Ironically, the Wii U didn't have either of the last two (especially not Pokémon) outside of remakes and spinoffs (unless we're counting BotW but that was a simultaneous release). Can't have helped its case... Which is kind of a shame, honestly. Would have been interesting to see a Zelda built from the ground up with the GamePad in mind. The DS games used the touch screen really well in places and a fully 3D game could expand on that nicely. They could even do some Okami things if they felt like it! |
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Post by Frog on Apr 13, 2022 5:31:36 GMT
Yeah I don't think anyone is talking sales figures as it's impossible to judge how they will go.
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Post by Lizard on Apr 13, 2022 5:52:17 GMT
More than one, less than one billion.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 13, 2022 8:09:35 GMT
I don't think it will matter what the specs are, it'll have Mario, Zelda and Pokemon on it and sell loads. Unless they Wii U it up Ironically, the Wii U didn't have either of the last two (especially not Pokémon) outside of remakes and spinoffs (unless we're counting BotW but that was a simultaneous release). Can't have helped its case... Which is kind of a shame, honestly. Would have been interesting to see a Zelda built from the ground up with the GamePad in mind. The DS games used the touch screen really well in places and a fully 3D game could expand on that nicely. They could even do some Okami things if they felt like it! True that BotW was cross-gen and I suspect by that point Nintendo didn't really give a damn about the Wii U. I think it was developed with the Wii U in mind as lead platform though. It even features a Wii U gamepad surrogate with the in game tablet thing. I don't recall the details, but I understand they actually scraped the second screen functions of the Wii U version in order to have parity with the Switch one. A shame, but I expect it would have just have been being able to see the map and doing some inventory management. One of the failings of the Wii U was this requirement that it had to be playable portably as well. The second screen ended up only being used for not much more than gimmicks rather than actual integral parts of the gameplay. Things like always having the map were nice, but there were definitely more interesting gameplay ideas they could have done. If we are talking wants for a Switch 2, it would be cool to revisit some of the Wii U ideas, particularly the asymmetric multiplayer. Perhaps have a slightly more active dock that would let you connect multiple Switches to it, so everyone could see one thing on the TV and have hidden info on the Switch itself. That could open up some interesting asymmetric couch multiplayer ideas. One my favourite games on Wii U was ZombiU, which featured a multiplayer mode in which one player had a first person zombie shooting game, whilst the other had an RTS-lite game where they were placing the zombies. It was a lot of fun and not possible without the second screen. I always thought allowing multiple pads to connect to the Wii U would have been great, but must not have been technically possible (Nintendo did say early on they were looking at releasing an update to make it possible, but of course that never happened). Obviously, Nintendo revisiting any Wii U ideas is far less likely to happen than a 4K Switch. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Apr 13, 2022 8:17:46 GMT
Vandelay the Slate always looked more like an undocked Switch to me tbh, although they might have changed its design when they decided to make it cross-gen... Just seemed less bulky than the GamePad, I guess. I do remember hearing about some GamePad features that were scrapped too, though.
As for ideas they could have made, I think Penny Arcade (again) put it best:
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Post by steifybobbins on Apr 13, 2022 12:21:56 GMT
I don't think it will matter what the specs are, it'll have Mario, Zelda and Pokemon on it and sell loads. Unless they Wii U it up I'm never convinced they won't WII U it up 😄 |
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Post by steifybobbins on Apr 13, 2022 12:39:31 GMT
Steify, have you played Pokémon arceus (I've probably butchered the spelling) at all, did you find the texture work and performance acceptable there? The switch is definitely struggling hardware wise nowadays and developers are struggling to port games over to it so you are seeing less variety in games. Since I have, I might as well offer an opinion here... The art style follows the same trend as BotW, in that they've tried to mask any hardware weaknesses through art direction. Does it work, that's subjective, but I'd say it does. Does it look as good as it could look on a Switch 2 or another console entirely? Well no, but it certainly doesn't look bad... The only issues I've seen graphics- and texture-wise are some obvious pop-in when flying around (which BotW also had to an extent) and some random stuttering grass during fights. Performance issues... Honestly, no. No slowdown or framerate issues, loading times aren't jarring... It runs well imo, and it helps that the turn-based combat ensures it never gets as frantic as other games could get. Don't get me wrong, I also believe the Switch is aging hardware and due for a big upgrade. I also admit that I'm probably less critical of graphics (in general, not just on the Switch) than others. However, in this specific case the game just doesn't run badly, certainly not nearly as badly as I and a lot of people feared. And the Switch is more than five years old at this point, too, it's not odd for it to be showing its age... Don't get me wrong I'd like a bigger, better Switch. All I'm trying to get at is that to many people it's still perfectly fine, myself included. I also own a Series S which is obviously inferior to its bigger brother but even so, I don't get that jarring feeling I did in the days of the Wii and 360 when I jumped back and forth. I personally feel the way games run and look is reaching a creative peak and I find each generational leap a much tougher sell. The incremental upgrades are just not that impressive anymore. I'd like to see power being used to create interesting environments, puzzles and experiences. The last Resident Evil is a good example of why I just don't think graphics matter as much as they once did. At times Resident Evil looked wonderful (particularly if I'd jumped over from playing Switch) but I'd walk into a curtain or object only to find it was little more than a pretty and very static backdrop, you could practically see how everything was "Stitched" together. In a weird way I found this more immersion breaking than slowdown etc because the game looked so "Real" I expected it to behave that way too and it didn't. I feel it's fair to suggest that looking super slick can be very superficial and at times take you out of the game where as this is less likely in stylised games like Nintendo's first party output or the many wonderful Indie games. That is basically how I currently view games as a whole and ultimately why I don't care too deeply about where Nintendo or others go next or when they decide to do so |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Apr 13, 2022 12:45:35 GMT
One huge problem I have with the Switch is that if you want to play something fancy like Resi, you can't really. There are very few actually good action games on it or anything that isn't stylised I'm not sure why Nintendo hardware specs are still such a hot debate/talking point though. At least for me, for the longest time, a Nintendo console is what you need to play Mario, Zelda, etc. That's about it
Also, aside from AoC, BotW is the game I noticed having the biggest framerate issues. So, performance wise, the Switch is no worse now than it was when it was released
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Post by dfunked on Apr 13, 2022 12:52:14 GMT
Yep, everything Nintendo released after the GameCube has been what I would consider a machine for exclusives, not something you buy to play the latest multiplatform release on. They'll always be a secondary console to me, but for some people will be more than enough.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 13, 2022 12:59:22 GMT
Yep, everything Nintendo released after the GameCube has been what I would consider a machine for exclusives, not something you buy to play the latest multiplatform release on. They'll always be a secondary console to me, but for some people will be more than enough. As far as the Switch goes, the portability is literally everything. Or at least 90% of the thing. "Hey look at all these great indie games, normally I wouldn't have time to play them but now I can play them on the train!" And yeah, now you've got the Steam deck or whatever. But let's not kid ourselves, Nintendo are still basically the only portable game in town. And that is huge. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Apr 13, 2022 13:02:26 GMT
I think all the 'it looks shit on my 4k telly' stuff rather ignores that fact also. It's a hybrid console. I don't know what the numbers are but I'm sure a lot of people use it as a portable. It looking a bit shit on a TV is the trade off for that
You might not care about handheld but that's the console you bought
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Post by Phattso on Apr 13, 2022 13:03:47 GMT
Yeah, I think that's the core point here. I reckon the whole DLSS thing is just to silence that one niggling negative on all the coverage: 4K when docked. Most people, and you'd imagine especially those with the OLED model, will be playing handheld.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 13, 2022 13:19:52 GMT
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Post by スコットランド on Apr 13, 2022 13:34:29 GMT
Yeah, I think that's the core point here. I reckon the whole DLSS thing is just to silence that one niggling negative on all the coverage: 4K when docked. Most people, and you'd imagine especially those with the OLED model, will be playing handheld. So, it's not to use modern tech to provide similar quality on TV as well as portable, i.e. a perfect hybrid console, the main selling point of the console, it's to "silence negative coverage"? As Nintendo are a huge company and not gaming fanboys on forums, I doubt it. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Apr 13, 2022 13:45:44 GMT
I think the point is that the chip is rumoured to be performant enough to play ps5 and series X ports, so no longer locked into Nintendo exclusives.
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Post by cubby on Apr 13, 2022 13:46:52 GMT
So it's going to be as big as a PS5?
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