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Post by Youthist on Jan 31, 2024 16:02:02 GMT
Yeah both Oris were selling in the millions. Get the feeling this will creep up as the price comes down and word of mouth within the merrodivania community spreads about how good this is.
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Post by kal on Jan 31, 2024 16:20:31 GMT
It’s extremely rare to see a full price 2D platformer these days. Mario can do it but I’m not surprised the general gaming populace are hesitant .
To be completely honest even though I’m loving it, I’m still slightly resentful of what I paid. It feels like an excellent indie game rather than a AAA product.
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Post by Frog on Jan 31, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
It was £45 wasn't it?
I took a month of Ubisoft plus and played it that way and I imagine quite a few others did too which will harm sales.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jan 31, 2024 17:24:32 GMT
I went via Turkey for about £27 - as much as I'm enjoying it, even that price point seems only just about right, especially when you look at the price of Hollow Knight, Blasphemous, etc.
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Post by dangerousdave on Jan 31, 2024 17:44:54 GMT
For what it’s worth, Metroid Dread, Hollow Knight and both Ori games are sitting at around 3 millions copies sold, each. The genre just doesn’t sell huge numbers, unfortunately. As awesome as all those games are.
I don’t even think Prince of Persia was badly priced. It’s great value for money in terms of quality and content. Hollow Knight just happens to be ridiculously good value.
I guess the ‘Roguelite’ genre has kinda stunted the growth of this one. A quick google says the rather excellent Dead Cells has sold more than 10 million copies alone, which is almost as much as all the games I mentioned above, combined.
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Post by cubby on Jan 31, 2024 18:24:20 GMT
It's the same thing that happened with the Mario Rabbids game, everyone knew they'd lower the price within months so why buy now? Nintendo games never go down in price so why wait. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Tuffty on Jan 31, 2024 20:03:31 GMT
I wonder how much of an impact it was that days before it came out, some Ubisoft exec made that statement about how we all need to get used to not feeling like we own the games we buy. Really felt like an act of self sabotage saying that right before the most critically acclaimed they've had in a long time comes out
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Post by Youthist on Feb 1, 2024 0:03:48 GMT
For what it’s worth, Metroid Dread, Hollow Knight and both Ori games are sitting at around 3 millions copies sold, each. The genre just doesn’t sell huge numbers, unfortunately. As awesome as all those games are. I don’t even think Prince of Persia was badly priced. It’s great value for money in terms of quality and content. Hollow Knight just happens to be ridiculously good value. I guess the ‘Roguelite’ genre has kinda stunted the growth of this one. A quick google says the rather excellent Dead Cells has sold more than 10 million copies alone, which is almost as much as all the games I mentioned above, combined. Hang on isn’t 3M units sold a huge win for a 2D game? Massive profit etc.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 1, 2024 2:29:50 GMT
I feel a bit bad saying it, but I do have this vague feeling that a 2D platformer isn't worth as much money as a 'proper' 3d game. It might just be a personal perference thing, or it might be due to places like Steam being full of thousands of 2D platformers, which are generally lower priced than big 3d games. 'value' in games is always a weird thing to try and quantify though, given all the factors involved. It's not really something I usually calculate or actively care about, given I already have more than enough games I could play. It's more just an impulse. There are obviously big exceptions, such as Mario 2D games, and you get occasional big break out hits, but for some reason looking at this I'd expect it to be a lot cheaper than something like the latest full Assassin's Creed game. *shrug* It might be just me though. Despite loving Prince of Persia, and despite all the great reviews and you guys saying it's amazing, I really have no particular impetus to grab this as it looks more like a Dead Cells / Hollow Knight game than a PoP one. It has made me reinstall and start replaying Sands of Time though. I might pick it up when it drops to $5. It's such a shame really. Ubisoft pump out their big AAA production-line map-clearing Ubi-games and we complain. But they bring out a bunch of interesting little side projects like their Ubi-Arts games and they get great reviews and not many people buy them. I'm part of the problem.
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Post by stixxuk on Feb 1, 2024 4:53:24 GMT
Same boat, it looks great but I'd rather not pay that much for it... Can get switch physical for £35 or thereabouts so should be ok after trade in/selling it on...
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Post by dangerousdave on Feb 1, 2024 5:41:09 GMT
Hang on isn’t 3M units sold a huge win for a 2D game? Massive profit etc. Having had a look, I think you’re right! All my favourites, like Shovel Knight, Spelunky, Fez, Rayman Legends. All around 2 - 4 million. It would appear Mario is the exception to the rule. And Dead Cells.
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Post by RadicalRex on Feb 1, 2024 6:50:37 GMT
I also think it's too expensive, it's customary for metroidvanias to be in the 15-30 range, and asking for significantly more than usual isn't going to be met with enthusiasm. There are a few exceptions--like Metroid Dread--but that's fucking Metroid, and not just any Metroid but the first new mainline Metroid game in 19 years. There's also Bloodstained, but that's a spiritual successor to Symphony of the Night made by Iga himself after a phenomenal Kickstarter success. These are legendary tier games in terms of desirability and only so do they get away with a big price tag.
It feels like Ubisoft watched the success of Metroid Dread and wanted a piece of that pie too, but with all due respect to the PoP franchise, it just doesn't have the same pull as those legends. And if this was indeed their plan, that seems like a massive miscalculation even without looking at any sales numbers.
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Post by nazo on Feb 1, 2024 6:57:37 GMT
I enjoyed the demo but I’m also in the wait until it’s £25-30 club. To be fair I do that for every game but that feels more like a fair price than a bargain somehow.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 1, 2024 7:40:21 GMT
Metroid dread was full price too wasn’t it? Never picked that up for the same reason. £20 seems about right.
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Post by Frog on Feb 1, 2024 7:44:39 GMT
Full price is 70 quid now for the most part, this came in at 45 I think (although it had a more expensive early access version).
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 1, 2024 7:56:27 GMT
I also think it's too expensive, it's customary for metroidvanias to be in the 15-30 range, and asking for significantly more than usual isn't going to be met with enthusiasm. There are a few exceptions--like Metroid Dread--but that's fucking Metroid, and not just any Metroid but the first new mainline Metroid game in 19 years. There's also Bloodstained, but that's a spiritual successor to Symphony of the Night made by Iga himself after a phenomenal Kickstarter success. These are legendary tier games in terms of desirability and only so do they get away with a big price tag. It feels like Ubisoft watched the success of Metroid Dread and wanted a piece of that pie too, but with all due respect to the PoP franchise, it just doesn't have the same pull as those legends. And if this was indeed their plan, that seems like a massive miscalculation even without looking at any sales numbers. Metroid, Castlevania, and even Mario are also francises largely (though not entirely) seen as 2d side-on games. PoP is weird, because while it *is* a classic 2d side-on game originally, I'd argue that Sands of Time etc.. are probably the most beloved and well known versions of it. So its image is more like that of a Tomb Raider / Assassin's Creed type game. As such, while this game is technically a throwback to the style of the original PoP games, it feels (to me at least) more like one of those 2d spin-off Assassin's Creed games, or Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. And those always felt more like side games than part of the main franchise, which limited their appeal and their price accordingly. (Despite GoL being apparently really good).
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Post by stixxuk on Feb 1, 2024 8:22:33 GMT
Full price is 70 quid now for the most part, this came in at 45 I think (although it had a more expensive early access version). Maybe but I ain't paying more than £40 for anything still (and very rarely even that).
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Post by dangerousdave on Feb 1, 2024 9:11:23 GMT
I guess everyone perceives value differently, but the sales numbers suggest 2D games being less valuable is the common perception.
Personally speaking, I don’t see it that way. There’s a lot of meat to this game and I’ve not had even a moment where my interest has waned. The mechanics and level design are top tier stuff and it’s lasted as long as any 3D action/platformer would. I’m happy to throw as much money at this as I would a new Resident Evil or 3D-based action/platformer.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 1, 2024 10:41:37 GMT
I feel I'm in the same boat. The very positive word of mouth might have swayed me to pay £45 for this if I hadn't just bought Tekken 8, but I likely would have jumped on this right away at £25-30.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 1, 2024 12:17:39 GMT
I considered dipping into U+ for a month to play this and a few other titles (AC Mirage, Avatar and Motorfest), but that just seemed silly right now given that P3R is probably going to absorb me for a month.
I have no problem in spending full whack for a Metroidvania, especially if it has these levels of polish (Dread was well worth the money), but I'm just so jaded by Ubisoft these days that I can't bring myself to buy one of their games at release. Which is a bit sad really, as games like Child of Light and Rayman Legends were highlights of the gen for me. Back then I would've bought this in a heartbeat.
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Post by Frog on Feb 1, 2024 12:23:15 GMT
Not sure avatar is worth it. It's shiny looking but the combat is wank.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 1, 2024 12:36:47 GMT
Child of Light was pretty, but they managed to mess up the combat and particularly the awful writing. Such a shame.
I just bought Rayman Legends in a sale, and I definitely wish they'd make more stuff like that.
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Post by Phattso on Feb 1, 2024 21:19:48 GMT
Not sure avatar is worth it. It's shiny looking but the combat is wank. Counterpoint: combat is basically ok. If you liked clearing the bases in Far Cry you’ll like this.
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Post by dangerousdave on Feb 1, 2024 21:49:06 GMT
Did anyone else here go for a 100% completion run? I’m on 83.5% currently and I like to avoid using guides generally, so if I can’t find something or figure it out, so be it.
I think I can do it, though.
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Post by Youthist on Feb 2, 2024 8:18:51 GMT
Did anyone else here go for a 100% completion run? I’m on 83.5% currently and I like to avoid using guides generally, so if I can’t find something or figure it out, so be it. I think I can do it, though. I always go 100 per cent in this style of game with no guide. Should be fine !
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Post by Youthist on Feb 2, 2024 8:20:17 GMT
I guess everyone perceives value differently, but the sales numbers suggest 2D games being less valuable is the common perception. Personally speaking, I don’t see it that way. There’s a lot of meat to this game and I’ve not had even a moment where my interest has waned. The mechanics and level design are top tier stuff and it’s lasted as long as any 3D action/platformer would. I’m happy to throw as much money at this as I would a new Resident Evil or 3D-based action/platformer. Same here. I will get at least 35 hours out of this, probably more. No problem with the price point.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 2, 2024 8:25:45 GMT
Finished the story a while ago, hoping to finish of the Plat tonight. Enjoyed it a lot but wanting to move on to something else now.
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Post by dangerousdave on Feb 2, 2024 14:00:15 GMT
I notice you can carry your save between platforms. If this ever comes to Gamepass, I wonder if I’ll be able to transfer my save and instantly unlock a ton of achievements.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 2, 2024 20:56:19 GMT
Finished the story a while ago, hoping to finish of the Plat tonight. Enjoyed it a lot but wanting to move on to something else now. And done.
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Post by dangerousdave on Feb 2, 2024 22:16:43 GMT
I’m on 88% completion. I have one more boss, I suspect, and about 4 or 5 more collectibles to find. I must be missing something big somewhere.
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