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Post by Lizard on Mar 26, 2024 3:36:35 GMT
Honestly, don't get me started on how bad they are. No, no. Please do. What's wrong with them in Upside Down Land? Right, I don't need to be asked twice. Firstly, the chips. Here, almost all chip shops use pre-cut frozen chips, and not only do they seem to think this is okay, but some places proclaim proudly that they're using, for example, McCains chips. And they must be crispy - all chips in NZ have to be crispy at all times, anything else is tantamount to heresy. Kiwis consider British chip shop chips to be soggy. To be honest, although I miss proper chips, those here don't bother me that much. I do find it puzzling why you wouldn't want your chip shop to make their own, but hey-ho. The real issue is the fish. Some places offer a selection of fish species, but many just offer 'fish', which is immediately highly concerning. Either way you are likely to end up with something that is old, tasteless, mushy, and almost certainly frozen - fresh fish seems rare outside the South Island. It's rare to find fillets thicker than a fish finger. Then there's the 'batter'. Kiwi chip shops seem to be unable to properly batter and fry a piece of fish. The batter is usually soggy, and bits stick to the fillet whilst some slide off. It somehow manages to be simultaneously gossamer thin and disgustingly heavy, coupled with mushy fish it's really unpleasant. I don't understand why they don't cook a battered fish until it's nice and crispy. I can only conclude that Kiwis like it this way, but I find this difficult to believe. You can get crumbed fish, which is generally a bit better, although you still have the underlying problem of the terrible, aged mush of unknown origin within the crumb. Then there's the condiments. No vinegar here, apparently it used to be popular but no more. Everyone puts tomato ketchup on their fish and chips, yes, the fish as well. You have to pay for a little pottle or tin of ketchup or tartare at the chippy, but salt is free. No curry sauce or mushy peas. I remember asking for vinegar in a chippy when I first got here: 'Vinegar?! What, on your chips?!' He looked at me like I'd asked him if I could fuck his wife. I don't why it's like this, and why people tolerate it. Okay, I think the chips are boring and uniform and would like the option of chippy chips knowing that I can get these blessed crispy chips almost everywhere else, but whatever. The fish though, fuck me, it's a disgrace. A disgrace. A shameful disgrace. The reality is that there are actually very few fish and chip shops here, almost all of them are actually full-up Chinese takeaways that also do chippy stuff. albeit really badly. As such common accompaniments are spring rolls, wontons, chop suey, fried rice etc. As well as some actually interesting Kiwi things like kumara chips. I have had nice fish and chips here, once, at a place called Cooper's Catch in Kaikōura. A piece of fresh blue cod, nice light, crispy batter - so it can be done, and the place is famous, so the Kiwis like it. Kiwis dislike British-style because, as said, the chips are 'soggy'. They also seem to think that whatever you get at a British chippy will have spent hours in the heater. Well, the first point may be slightly valid, they are definitely softer, and the addition of vinegar may make them softer still. Actually, though you have big, melt-in-your-mouth chips which, when fresh, should have a little bit of bite. You then also have smaller crunchy chips, and, if you're elite, scraps. As for the heater thing, WTF? Unless you're going at some weird time nothing will have been in the heater for more than a few minutes. I should say that fish and chips throughout most of the UK are fucking terrible as well. Perhaps I'm spoiled coming from the land of fish and chips, probably one of the only upsides of growing up in north Lincolnshire. I think a lot of Kiwis must have their 'British fish and chip experience' in London, which would not be optimal. Before Load gets stuck in, I should restate that pies and sushi are far better here. Maybe the beer too. Also, I should say that F&Cs here are really cheap, so that's something.
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Post by Lizard on Mar 26, 2024 3:39:49 GMT
And that's the short version of this rant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2024 3:42:47 GMT
Lizard, come to Cali. You would love In N Out. Our fries are not precut fry-like rectangles, but potatoes diced and fried on the spot.
How any goof from NY or wherever can trash In N Out fries is beyond me.
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Post by Lizard on Mar 26, 2024 3:55:30 GMT
Lizard, come to Cali. You would love In N Out. Our fries are not precut fry-like rectangles, but potatoes diced and fried on the spot. How any goof from NY or wherever can trash In N Out fries is beyond me. I love NZ, fish and chips notwithstanding, but I would love to come to California and try In-N-Out with you, both kinds. We can play Sega afterwards. For the record I don't mind precut chips, I just find it bizarre that anywhere purporting to be a chip shop would not only use bags of McCains, but then claim to be proud of the fact!
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Post by elstoof on Mar 26, 2024 7:32:46 GMT
In N Out fries are most definitely not “chips”
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Post by AccidentProne on Mar 26, 2024 7:35:21 GMT
Aren't In N Out the west coast version of Five Guys?
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Post by elstoof on Mar 26, 2024 7:38:50 GMT
Five Guys is the half the quality, double the price imitator
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Post by Dougs on Mar 26, 2024 7:41:21 GMT
In N Out fries are most definitely not “chips” I think the UK and Ireland are the only places to do proper chips tbh. Everywhere else is fries it seems.
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Post by AccidentProne on Mar 26, 2024 7:41:48 GMT
Ah right, will give them a try next time I'm over. Usually I'm in Texas for work though and Whattaburger seems to be the thing there.
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Post by cubby on Mar 26, 2024 7:49:50 GMT
Lizard, what *good* fast food/takeaway do they do over there?
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 26, 2024 8:27:29 GMT
Then there's the condiments. No vinegar here, apparently it used to be popular but no more. Everyone puts tomato ketchup on their fish and chips, yes, the fish as well. You have to pay for a little pottle or tin of ketchup or tartare at the chippy, but salt is free. No curry sauce or mushy peas. As a southerner, the idea of curry sauce with fish and chips is still deeply weird and slightly gross. I also always thought it was a Welsh thing and was disturbed to have fish and chips with a Welsh flatmate during my time at Swansea Uni and they produced the curry sauce from the takeaway bag. I had always just assumed it was a myth! I imagine it was much the same shock as when people go to a chippy in Scotland and discover deep fried Mars bars are real. Ketchup with fish and chips seems reasonable to me, although I generally go for brown sauce. But no vinegar is blasphemy. And it has to be that weird chip shop vinegar that isn't really vinegar.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 26, 2024 8:30:20 GMT
My local chippy as a teen used to put a load of chips in a foil container, top with chicken and then pour curry sauce over it, then top with cheese and pop it in the pizza oven. It was god tier after a night in the pub.
Sounds absolutely fucking rank now that I've typed it out...
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 26, 2024 8:30:57 GMT
Even as a northerner I find curry sauce from the chippy disgusting - just look at it! Love a good curry but that ain't it.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Mar 26, 2024 8:33:44 GMT
I was in Florida shortly after Quiznos started up and there 4 or 5 within a 10 mile radius of the villa we stayed in. I remember that they sliced/the ab. angus beef fresh before putting it on the sub. Tasted alright, nothing earth shattering. When we went back the following year they had all disappeared.
It's rare I'll venture into Meadowhell but last time I was there I tried that German Doner Kebab place. It was all dry, tasteless and surprisingly cold considering just prepared. Took it back for a refund and got a burrito from another outlet instead.
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Post by barchetta on Mar 26, 2024 9:00:10 GMT
Once we hit 6th form and were allowed off site in study periods the local's chips,mushy peas and scraps, with a generous serving of chip-spice, became a staple. Powered me through A-levels.
Which might help explain the outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2024 9:08:22 GMT
Majority of fish and chips in the UK are shite too. It is like gold dust finding an actual good one, most range from ok to terrible.
Germany, Holland and Belgium do the best takeaway chips.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 26, 2024 9:20:51 GMT
Agreed that the quality of fish and chips in the UK has gone downhill massively in the last 5-10 years.
Even the coastal ones are a bit pants nowadays.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 26, 2024 9:34:34 GMT
Very true. It always used to be the king of takeaways, but it is rare for them to be much better than ok now. I put most of the blame on the polystyrene containers they all use now, which makes the chips go all sweaty (and also Brexit and the impact it has had on our fishing industry).
The price has also increased a lot over the last few years. Used to be it was very good value, but that has changed drastically in the past 5 or so years (again, I wonder what could have happened in the last few years that might have impacted the cost of our fish?)
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Mar 26, 2024 9:43:14 GMT
Problem with fish n chips (around here at least) is that the price has effectly doubled yet the quality has remained unchanged.
Its the main issue I have with McDs, I knew it was always shite but the cost of a quick bite offset this. Now the costs have risen (quite a bit actually) but the quality remains the same, it's much easier to justify going somewhere else for a better burger.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 26, 2024 10:04:30 GMT
I'm annoyed that one of my favourite chip shop items, battered roe, seemingly only exists in the West Midlands and a few places in mid Wales. When I moved away I was sad that I couldn't find any and it still annoys me.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 26, 2024 10:13:15 GMT
I'm the same regarding a proper, homemade fish rissole with herbs and chunks of actual fish in them - not the sad ones they usually have that are filled with grey fluff.
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Post by alastair on Mar 26, 2024 10:29:44 GMT
Like everyone in lockdown, I bought an mini-fryer from Aldi for like 20 quid and the easiest recipe is Doritos chicken. Roll some chicken in flour, then egg, then crushed Doritos and fry the shit out of it. The cheese ones are nice but the flamin' hot ones are pretty god like redneck food. That sounds amazing, and I missed out on mini-fryers... And we don't have an air fryer.
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Post by alastair on Mar 26, 2024 10:46:31 GMT
Going a bit international for fast food but on a recent trip to Berlin I had a couple of the things that the city is rather famous for : currywurst! Had one right near Checkpoint Charlie and a day later one near the big cathedral and on that occasion I came to my final thoughts about them : they're crap. Seriously how on Earth is this seen as anything but a ropey sausage with a shite sauce on top, I've had better sausage based food grabbing a hot dog from some ropey van at a non-league football match. Somewhere I can recommend eating at if you want something a bit different in Berlin is this place, a restaurant that serves food based on East German food. www.volkskammer.de/ It was wunderbar. Late to the party, but I second this take on currywurst. Germany has tons of delicious sausages, why ruin them by putting crap curry sauce on top. Never again.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 26, 2024 11:03:03 GMT
Problem with fish n chips (around here at least) is that the price has effectly doubled yet the quality has remained unchanged. I don’t go to the chippy at all because of that. I could kind of put up with just how shit the average chippy is when it was cheap but now it’s a tenner for fish and chips, a half arsed soggy mess isn’t going to cut it. I do feel bad for them. Energy prices and cost of produce has gone through the roof but the majority don’t help themselves by seemingly not knowing how to actually cook anything.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 26, 2024 11:25:12 GMT
Yeah, last time I went into a chippy here north of the border I wasn't gonna get much change out of £20, I nopped outta there sharpish
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Post by rawshark on Mar 26, 2024 11:32:56 GMT
But when you do find a decent chippy you’ve got a friend for life. (Albeit a shortened life with blocked arteries).
I’ve been lucky. My old place had one decent local, but a superb one a little further away. When Uber Eats became a thing it totally sorted out the debate as to whether you could be bothered with the trek. And now I’ve moved I’m lucky enough to have another very good one five minutes away.
I did go to New Zealand way back in the day (and very briefly on the way to Rarotonga more recently) but can’t remember much about the food other than, like Australia, it’s the most normal thing in the world to take a pie, smother it in ketchup, and smash it into your mouth while walking down the road.
Is Burger King called Hungry Jack’s there too?
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Post by elstoof on Mar 26, 2024 11:43:00 GMT
I might have to have a chippy tea for lunch now
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Post by Dougs on Mar 26, 2024 11:48:47 GMT
Mad innit. As a non-fish eater, it's always been very reasonable for a battered sausage or pink horse cock and chips. £7-8 for a piece of fish is mad though
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Post by zisssou on Mar 26, 2024 11:57:22 GMT
Pink horse cock? bloody southerners.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2024 12:17:44 GMT
We've luckily had a Kebab van tip up in the village on Sundays now. Does an actual banging kebab and the only one around here that does lahmacun.
And proper garlic sauce rather than just putting garlic in mayo.
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