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Post by theguy on Sept 7, 2023 13:26:40 GMT
I don't see why a VGC source would make that completely up, but I struggle to believe that's true too, especially advanced ray tracing when the current consoles struggle with that as is.
I'd guess it'd be less powerful than the Steam Deck but not by too much. Who knows though
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Post by cubby on Sept 7, 2023 13:39:10 GMT
That'd be the biggest twist if they release a console more powerful than a PS5.
"Also we're dropping the portable aspect, it's all about the graphics now and something had to give!"
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 7, 2023 13:44:42 GMT
Steamdeck is 18 months old, surely it’ll be faster than that. It struggles with the latest games at 720p. I can see them use dlss to get 1080p portable, question is, what are they going to do with docked mode connected to a 4k tv? Maybe just keep it at 1080p?
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Sept 7, 2023 14:15:50 GMT
Don't believe it - I'd guess it'll have capabilities similar to a PS4, maybe a Pro if we're lucky. That's absolutely fine by me too. Yeah I think we will see around ps4 levels (which is fine in my book too). It has to fit everything into a smallish form factor whilst maintaining a consumer friendly price point- we’re not going to see steam deck levels of size. Even then the statement would be somewhat true - the matrix demo maybe not - but technically stuff like TLOU2, Horizon, GOW are comparable to ps5 graphics being able to run on the ps4 too. Also there is probably some scalability in the matrix engine too that would make both statements true.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 7, 2023 14:42:40 GMT
I totally believe DLSS will be in use for the new console but to have a portable form factor console that Nintendo likes to do WITH stuff going on comparable to a PS5/Series X, yeah no.
I'm thinking a 4TF machine similar to a Series S which is comparable to a PS4 Pro.
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Post by theguy on Sept 7, 2023 15:03:06 GMT
Steamdeck is 18 months old, surely it’ll be faster than that. It struggles with the latest games at 720p. I can see them use dlss to get 1080p portable, question is, what are they going to do with docked mode connected to a 4k tv? Maybe just keep it at 1080p? Oh, didn't realise it'd been that long! I don't see them wanting to push past £400, and with the dock, joy cons and probably better screen than the Steam Deck, I wonder if they can get it under that price point and also make it more powerful. But what do I know. The Switch itself was underpowered even when it released, I think it was comparable to mobile phone gpu's at the time, right? Maybe the new one won't be dissimilar
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 7, 2023 15:04:32 GMT
No way it is going to be doing The Matrix Awakens demo with full ray tracing... at least not in portable mode. If the dock actually had its own GPU in it, maybe some additional RAM, then I could imagine them looking at something that is near PS5/Xbox Series X level. Also certain they will be using DLSS on it.
This has been my hope for what they would do though, so maybe it's just wishful thinking from my part.
If they aren't looking at having different hardware for docked/portable then I can believe this is accurate.
If they do go down the route of the dock giving additional power, perhaps they will sell the dock separately. Maybe with the standard Switch 2 it will be mainly a portable system, possible with an HDMI port to plug it in a TV if you really want. They sell that for around about £300 or maybe a little less. Then you can pay another £150 (or something) and you get the dock to supercharge it.
I can't really see them selling something that is at a PS5 level of power for the expected Nintendo price and going higher likely would alienate much of their audience.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 7, 2023 15:10:30 GMT
The only way I could imagine Nintendo would want to have a comparable power spec is they're quite nervous about having a follow up to a such a ridiculous selling console and they want longevity so they don't have to think about the next one and it would probably help with 3rd party games not being so gimped so soon. It's still hard to believe though. If it's got ray tracing and something like DLSS 3.5 that would be quite a coup.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 19:18:11 GMT
I think there’s 0% chance the Switch successor is weaker than a Steam Deck. The Steam Deck itself is below a PS4 in overall performance, and there’s no point in releasing a new console this far into the Switch’s life with such a meagre upgrade. I’m sure DLSS and upscaling will play a big part in splitting the difference between it and PS5 performance, but I agree with sentiments that it should lie within PS4 Pro and Series S’ performance levels.
I do expect it to have decent ray tracing support, even though I’ll probably turn it off when given the option, because even on the PC side, nvidia’s GPUs still have a significant lead in RT versus AMD’s GPUs which otherwise have comparable performance levels.
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 7, 2023 19:27:38 GMT
A proper mario kart sequel will also be welcome
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Post by hicksy on Sept 7, 2023 19:47:46 GMT
My money on the Switch 2 is that it will be waterproof and usable to depths of 10m and called the SwitchU.
It makes sense that the only place kids don’t have access to digital devices more or less is while swimming… the last frontier in gaming space recognised
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Post by Resident Knievel on Sept 7, 2023 22:43:59 GMT
I'm trying to trawl through famiboards to find the posts of theory-crafting about the leaked Switch 2 chip from a while back.
But basically, if TSMC's 4nm node is being used then the raw graphical power of this thing should be at least on par with an Xbox One in handheld mode at <15w, while the 8 ARM CPU cores they'll be using will wipe the floor with the Jaguar CPU cores from last gen.
DLSS 2.0's image reconstruction should give it a substantial boost, which is well suited to a power limited device as its more efficient than running a game at native resolution, as well as improving performance.
But the Switch 2 GPU's architecture is based on Nvidia's 30xx series cards, so DLSS 3.0's frame interpolation is probably off the table as it makes use of the 40xx series hardware additions, but considering games need to be running at at least 40fps before it produces enjoyable results it might have had limited use anyway.
The ray tracing reconstruction from DLSS 3.5 might be backwards compatible with Nvidia's older GPU's even if they'll never officially support it, but again might have limited use on the Switch 2.
tldr; Switch 2 games will look like PS4 games with much better shadows, reflections and lighting.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 8, 2023 7:54:09 GMT
The ray tracing reconstruction from DLSS 3.5 might be backwards compatible with Nvidia's older GPU's even if they'll never officially support it, but again might have limited use on the Switch 2. 3.5 is based on DLSS 2. It has already been confirmed to be coming to all GPUs with tensor cores (20xx and above). DLSS is a confusing mess now. It covers an upscaler, frame generation and now a de-noiser. In not sure how much use a Switch 2 would have for DLSS 3.5. Ray tracing is still an absolute hog on resources, unless it is just for shadows which has very little impact on image quality. DLSS 3.5 won't improve frame rate either, it just improves image accuracy and quality. Unless we are looking at the equivalent of a 40 series card or a high-end 30 series, I don't think supporting ray tracing is really worth it, outside of its most basic implementations (which is probably not worth doing, outside of a bullet point on the back of the box).
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Post by Resident Knievel on Sept 8, 2023 8:55:38 GMT
I mean, the Switch 2 will have the necessary hardware to do Ray-tracing, so we'll no doubt see it implemented in a lot of the AAA games that get churned out on the system whether it's a good idea or not.
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 8, 2023 9:15:45 GMT
Any guesses as to launch titles?
Think it's a fairly safe bet we'll get a new 3D Mario. Other than that I've very little idea.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 8, 2023 9:20:19 GMT
Metroid Prime 4 maybe. Feel like they must be holding out for Switch 2 being announced before giving more details about it. Whether it is a launch title or not, no idea.
New 3D Mario does seem likely. Maybe a Mario Kart, although not sure what more they could do with that.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 8, 2023 9:26:16 GMT
Metroid 4, besides that, probably 60fps versions of both zeldas? Still doesn't make any sense to me, I can't see Nintendo caring about RT. I can see nvidia making one hell of chip, but not in the 10-15 watt power range. e-GPU in the docking station would be super expensive.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 8, 2023 9:26:54 GMT
If the recent statements about Gamefreak having to reevaluate if and how they can keep up the cadence of Pokemon releases "in a changing environment" do point towards reducing the release frequency, then probably not that. At least not as a launch title.
(All the better if so, honestly. Better to wait and get a truly next-gen, blow-you-away quality title, especially since it'll be the tenth generation of mainline titles)
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Post by dfunked on Sept 8, 2023 9:27:29 GMT
Yeah, new Mario Kart must be on the way at some point. They've been milking the last one for 9 years now!
As much as I'm hyped for MP4, it's just not a system seller. At this stage I definitely wouldn't be surprised to see it pushed to the Switch 2 though.
A new Pokémon game will still probably look like utter shit in comparison to other titles. I'm giving them a very wide berth from now on after Stinking Violet.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 8, 2023 9:33:57 GMT
I think I read that the Splatoon team were working on the new Mario Kart.
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 8, 2023 9:46:24 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if we got another Mario Kart and Smash Bros 'Super Deluxe' versions with all DLC included.
I'd buy the Smash one if they could get the online working.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 8, 2023 9:51:52 GMT
I think I read that the Splatoon team were working on the new Mario Kart. Interesting, if true. That would likely signal a move to more focus on the online side, perhaps with a slightly more GaaS style (with events, progression, etc.).
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 8, 2023 9:52:33 GMT
Like with the Wii U I could see a launch with a bunch of 3rd party titles that never had releases on switch before, or had those streaming versions.
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 8, 2023 11:04:47 GMT
Cyberpunk 2077 could be a good shout for that.
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Post by jimnastics on Sept 8, 2023 11:24:00 GMT
I'm hoping for a new Animal Crossing soley for my little girl, the Switch version was the first real game she ever played and really got into, so it would be her first experience of the excitment and hype of a new game release. For me I just want a new 3D Mario, I feel like that will surely happen for launch! Or for Nintendo to have secretly re-acquired Rare and we get Banjo Threeie at launch. Could happen amirite?
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Post by Lizard on Sept 8, 2023 12:12:42 GMT
Will launch with fully finished Star Citizen
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Post by dangerousdave on Sept 8, 2023 12:36:23 GMT
I reckon they’ll have the same software strategy as they had for the Switch. It’ll be a soft launch with major titles releasing every month or two for the first year, not all at once. So perhaps one major launch title and some smaller digital games to back it up. Whether that means it launches with a brand new Mario or not, I don’t know.
I reckon we’ll see a new Mario, Mario Kart, Xenoblade (or equivalent), a Fire Emblem and perhaps Metroid all within the first year, but what order that is in is anyone’s guess. Mario Rabbids 2 is getting a Switch 2 port, so that’ll be in there somewhere.
A Splatoon follow-up, which will definitely happen, might not launch so closely to Mario Kart this time around, given it is also a bit of a sales monster (and if the Splatoon team are working on Mario Kart). Animal Crossing will likely come much later as I believe there is a large cross over of staff with the Splatoon developers, including the game directors.
There’s also that rumour that a Donkey Kong game was in the works, from the Mario Odyssey team, which would make a launch Mario title less likely if true. I wouldn’t hold my breath, but the Metroid Prime remake rumours were true.
It’s gonna be a weird run, but I think some folk will be annoyed until their favourite series gets a new release. F-Zero won’t happen unless a third party of Nintendo’s choosing agrees to make it. Smash Bros needs a reinvention at this point. Zelda will be 5 years away, excluding spin offs, remakes or ports.
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Post by nazo on Sept 8, 2023 13:13:29 GMT
Baldies Gate for me please.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 8, 2023 13:46:34 GMT
Baldur's Gate 3 on Switch, plus cross-platform co-op (for the Steam Deck) and all of a sudden the FE household is co-oping on the go
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Post by Phattso on Sept 8, 2023 14:11:28 GMT
Doesn't matter how good the GPU is and how many rays it traces if the games are shipping on memory cards and they can't afford to put on the high res textures.
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