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Post by elstoof on Aug 1, 2023 18:17:23 GMT
Backwards compatibility is stupid, like having one of those early dvd players with a vhs built in. Especially with such a small console like the Switch. Who uses that shit in the long run anyway. Just make the dock backward compatible
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Post by dmukgr on Aug 1, 2023 18:24:39 GMT
I play loads of old arcade stuff on the switch and want to carry on doing so on new hw so I can both trade in and have less clutter.
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Post by elstoof on Aug 1, 2023 18:35:49 GMT
Anyway it’s Nintendo, the controllers will most likely be wildly different and automatically render any switch 1 game unplayable
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 1, 2023 18:48:41 GMT
Nothing will be backwards compatible but you will be able to re-buy the likes of Mario Oddyssey Remastered for the low, low price of £79.99
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 1, 2023 19:11:00 GMT
Hopefully we get a NSMB game on it. Deal breaker for me
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Post by uiruki on Aug 1, 2023 21:25:41 GMT
I think it'll have some form of backwards compatibility. They have generally had games run on systems which share architecture, and there's no reason to think it won't be an nVidia/ARM chip from all the rumours. Just don't expect what MS have been doing with Xbox or even PS4 to PS5 levels and maybe expect to change 'modes' to match the previous gen console. Given how busted Switch ended up in terms of security I suspect they'll lock it down.
Losing a bunch of games to PS3 has really poisoned me against getting PS4/5 stuff now that most of it is available on the PC, so even a Switch mode which runs games without any speed bonus would be really positive, especially since my launch Switch is getting really wheezy now.
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Post by JonFE on Aug 1, 2023 21:55:12 GMT
I find it easier to purchase a new console knowing that it is backwards compatible with its predecessor, because I have a huge backlog (that is only getting bigger) and realistically there are only a handful of consoles one can have connected before it becomes a hassle. Also, during the first few months of any console, new and exciting games are usually far and between, so having some older games to play on it (sometimes with an improved experience) makes it worthy. You do you and we're all part of the rich tappesty of life but I find this kind of thinking baffling. The old console doesn't evaporate when a new one comes out. You can still play old games on it. Hell, maybe don't even but the new console if you've got plenty of games on a console you already own you want to play. Also, unless the devs go out of their way to update the game, your playing a game that doesn't take advantage of a platform you've just paid more for. You're all mad! Key part of my post is that I find it easier to purchase a new console on day one when it supports B/C, not that it's a deal breaker when it doesn't. That's because it is convenient to have less consoles hooked up under the telly and you may have some games to play those early months (or years as demonstrated by xbox series s/x) while devs are getting to grips with the new tech. Also, the tread nowadays seems to use hardware parts off the self or thereabouts, which can lead to easier B/C support. Gone are the days when Sony or Nintendo would spend money and time to R&D to come up with the new Cell, so if the architecture is similar and B/C won't cost much, why not throw it in?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 2, 2023 1:31:59 GMT
I guess if I'm forced to spend money on a switch 2 then at least that will free up the switch for risk-free-ish modding and maybe I can get all the Wii games onto it. (Currently using a modded wii for Wii, GameCube and retro games like N64, nes, etc...)
If that's a thing. I haven't checked the switch modding scene as I didn't want to screw it up and get in trouble with the kids.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 2, 2023 8:09:24 GMT
I think it'll have some form of backwards compatibility. They have generally had games run on systems which share architecture, and there's no reason to think it won't be an nVidia/ARM chip from all the rumours. Just don't expect what MS have been doing with Xbox or even PS4 to PS5 levels and maybe expect to change 'modes' to match the previous gen console. Given how busted Switch ended up in terms of security I suspect they'll lock it down. Losing a bunch of games to PS3 has really poisoned me against getting PS4/5 stuff now that most of it is available on the PC, so even a Switch mode which runs games without any speed bonus would be really positive, especially since my launch Switch is getting really wheezy now. I don't think the Tegra chipset of the Switch and the rumoured Ada Lovelace chipset share any architecture with each other.
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Post by razz on Aug 2, 2023 8:09:24 GMT
I'm not convinced it's a Switch 2 exactly, I reckon they will go for something completely different name-wise. I mean the last time they made a successor console, the Wii u, it was a complete failure.
Maybe I'm wrong and they'll follow the NES to SNES model and just make a more powerful Switch, a Super Switch. But I don't think the next console will be called a Switch.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 2, 2023 8:12:27 GMT
I don't think it was the name that led to the failure of the Wii U, it maybe didn't help but there were far more things at work helped that baby crash.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 2, 2023 8:19:03 GMT
I think it'll have some form of backwards compatibility. They have generally had games run on systems which share architecture, and there's no reason to think it won't be an nVidia/ARM chip from all the rumours. Just don't expect what MS have been doing with Xbox or even PS4 to PS5 levels and maybe expect to change 'modes' to match the previous gen console. Given how busted Switch ended up in terms of security I suspect they'll lock it down. Losing a bunch of games to PS3 has really poisoned me against getting PS4/5 stuff now that most of it is available on the PC, so even a Switch mode which runs games without any speed bonus would be really positive, especially since my launch Switch is getting really wheezy now. I don't think the Tegra chipset of the Switch and the rumoured Ada Lovelace chipset share any architecture with each other. Yeah, my understanding is it won't be as simple as things just working. I've read why in the past and understood it at the time, but can't recall why now - perhaps something to do with the coding libraries not matching and needing to be redirected to the correct ones. Basically though, Nintendo would either need to include the original Switch chip in the new Switch (like they did with Wii U and you had to reboot into a Wii mode) or every game will need an update to make it compatible. It didn't sound like that update would need a huge amount of work, but it would require developers to actually do something, so you would never have 100% backwards compatibility. As for whether this will be a Switch successor, I feel like it very much will be. The main reason often cited for the Wii U's name failing is because it wasn't clear it was a new device, particularly for the average punter. The U on the end just made it sound like it was an add-on. Going with a 2 will make it clear it is something actually new. Even calling it a Super Switch would be clearer, with the heritage that the SNES holds (or they may go with Super Nintendo Switch, to avoid the SS abbreviation).
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Post by uiruki on Aug 2, 2023 8:24:24 GMT
I don't think the Tegra chipset of the Switch and the rumoured Ada Lovelace chipset share any architecture with each other. Whether it's the rumoured Orin Nano or something new, it's an nVidia-built SoC with an ARM processor and nVidia graphics. It's the same architecture in the same way that the PS4/5 and Xbox One/Series are.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 2, 2023 8:28:11 GMT
I don't think the Tegra chipset of the Switch and the rumoured Ada Lovelace chipset share any architecture with each other. Whether it's the rumoured Orin Nano or something new, it's an nVidia-built SoC with an ARM processor and nVidia graphics. It's the same architecture in the same way that the PS4/5 and Xbox One/Series are. I don't actually think it is, DF have mentioned this in a recent DF Direct that it would have to be a very specific custom chip or a software layer done by Nintendo to achieve BC.
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Post by uiruki on Aug 2, 2023 8:34:14 GMT
You'll have to point me to that one as that sounds a bit off.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 2, 2023 8:40:18 GMT
It's the most recent DF Direct. They state that PS4 to PS5 works because AMD bake BC into the silicon, Nvidia don't apparently.
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Post by addyb on Aug 2, 2023 9:33:18 GMT
I've already got a modded peasant edition switch, so I'll be on board for the next one, I like the combination of new shiny with crushing disappointment.
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Post by gamingdave on Aug 2, 2023 10:25:03 GMT
The GameCube, Wii, WiiU and Switch were all Day 1 purchases for me. I imported a GBA and DS before UK release and the DSi was another instant purchase. I've not been disappointed with any of them, the WiiU took a while to get going, but it's still plugged in and the kids use it fairly regularly.
I don't user the Switch in handheld mode much myself outside of holidays, but the kids do all the time, as I got them a Switch Lite for when they are at their mums. If they are going for a similar concept next time, I certainly wouldn't be against it.
BC isn't a deal breaker normally for me with consoles, but in this case I think is important. I'm fine having lots of consoles plugged into the main TV, but on a holiday, I would only want to take one. For anyone who takes it out the house regularly, without a very strong launch lineup I think it would harm initial sales if it wasn't included.
Considering it's age the Switch can still delight. Zelda has dominated our gaming time since it came out, and whilst it would be lovely to have PS5/Series X fidelity, we haven't found the lower res or detail to dampen our enjoyment.
Part of me does wish they would go back to having a machine which at least on paper is comparable to the Sony/MS offering, but as long as they continue to publish games with that Nintendo quality i'll be happy.
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Post by razz on Aug 2, 2023 10:46:45 GMT
I actually use my Wii U more than my switch these days, though admittedly to play old Wii games. But I have been playing though Pikmin 3 with the missus. NSMB is also a good lark.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Aug 2, 2023 10:56:27 GMT
Switch 2 late 2024 -> Switch 2 games late 2025.
Yeah I'll probably get one, but I haven't purchased a Nintendo game in years so at least I'll have the ports to play.
A better handheld experience would be nice. The button layout and joycons gave me osteoarthritis.
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Post by deez on Aug 2, 2023 12:11:16 GMT
Enhanced TOTK will presumably be day one as per previous generations Zelda games so anyone who hasn't played that will be blown away.
At this point I assume Metroid 4 will become a Super Switch release title also, the delays down to targeting new hardware
A new Mario Kart must have been in development for a while at this point I'd imagine.
So it might launch strong (famous last words)
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 2, 2023 13:13:23 GMT
BC isn't a deal breaker normally for me with consoles, but in this case I think is important. I'm fine having lots of consoles plugged into the main TV, but on a holiday, I would only want to take one.This is me, right here. I've started using the Switch as a handheld more often recently, primarily because we've started going on more trips during the year for various reasons. My backlog on it isn't as big as on other consoles, but it's not exactly small, and having to lug both Switches around (or to decide what to leave behind) would just be a pain, especially on a trip...
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Post by Psiloc on Aug 2, 2023 13:45:24 GMT
BC for me has normally been a bit pointless since I keep all my consoles, but the PS5 breathing new life into PS4 games was actually really something.
I'd be up for the Switch 2 doing something similar, but yeah Nintendo might like money too much for that
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Post by dfunked on Aug 2, 2023 14:04:10 GMT
I've kept my PS3, Wii and Wii U so that I can play my collection of older games, but in reality I'm never actually going to bother my arse with digging the Wii U out. Everything else is probably less hassle to just emulate. Think it might finally be time for a ruthless loft clear out...
So yeah, fingers crossed this does some sort of BC, even if it's a no frills approach. Otherwise it'll just be another machine for the loft box of doom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 5:45:18 GMT
I don’t mind LCD if the quality is high. Like there’s a big difference between launch Switches and the Lites. Steam Decks and the Asus Allys. OLED is preferable but people act as if the only options are TCL and LG.
I’d expect at least the PS4 Pro/Series S’s power. That might sound absurd, but I think low APIs, slim OSes and specific err specs will help with optimization of both performance and battery life. Not having generic PC versions will help improve over similar portable PCs that are out there.
I don’t care if I’m wrong, I’m there day one like I have been since the Super Nintendo anyway.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 3, 2023 6:51:20 GMT
I don’t mind LCD if the quality is high. Like there’s a big difference between launch Switches and the Lites. For sure. The girl has a launch switch and I bought a lite a few months ago and, considering she never docks hers, it’s all around a much, much nicer device. I still only play roguelikes on it, for some reason. Binding of Isaac, Hades, gungeon…. hundreds of hours between them. Everything else? Virtually untouched.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 3, 2023 7:00:07 GMT
I was initially annoyed about the no OLED rumour. Then I remember that I have zero issues with the supposedly terrible Steam Deck screen.
If there was an option to go OLED, even for an extra £100, I would probably do it, but guess it isn't really a deal-breaker (I don't even use the Switch much handheld).
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Post by Fake_Blood on Aug 3, 2023 7:56:15 GMT
Definitely going to be just a faster Switch, by all accounts the current management is rather conservative and it's been 30 years since they had two consecutive successful consoles, they are not going to rock the boat. I think they'll offer BC with an automatic upscale to 1080p for £10/game, or if you subscribe to the online service. I can see it launching with a bunch of games that the current switch can't handle, like they did with the Wii U.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 8:01:28 GMT
But “just slightly faster” is how they got into this W-L-W-L cycle. Wii being Gamecube 2.0 killed Wii U’s chances. Yes, Wii was the best selling console of all time, but it was all off Wii Sports’ hype. It had one of if not the lowest attachment rates ever. Wii U was a bystander of the Wii’s perception, much like the Dreamcast was a bystander of the Saturn’s perception.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Aug 3, 2023 9:23:09 GMT
Honestly, I never saw the Wii as a Gamecube 2.0 , it was very much a reaction to the low sales of the Gamecube, which was pretty fast compared to the xbox and PS2. So having a fast console didn't help sales, so they tried the waggle gimmick.
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