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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 28, 2021 23:03:09 GMT
The TV licence which technically gets you all the Beebs web, radio and TV content is like £13 a month - which in comparison to £6 a month is insane value. Netflix and the rest are still decent value, all things considered.
£6 for some opinion, on what is ultimately nonsense? The ads don't even annoy me that much.
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Post by MysteryLamb on Sept 28, 2021 23:24:48 GMT
Is there any consensus on what's a decent site to get gaming news from? EG had been sliding for years in terms of quality and quantity. I was only really still bobbing* on there for the forum (I suppose I was lurking on both parts and I never understood why they didn't ad the forum itself to get revenue) but most of my info came from them or my interest in a game was at least started by them. The articles did become increasingly inane though. I stopped reading them about 3 years ago.
I've never used an ad blocker. I don't do social media either (I'm aware all sites fall under that Umberella, fontgeek is my..
*Bobbing on about 50 times a day since the first lock down, maybe 5-8 times when I was in the office. Now I'm a Font Geek bobber.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 29, 2021 0:29:27 GMT
EG really are getting a pasting in the comments and I'm surprised to see how much of it is coming from non exiled forumites.
Lots of chat about shadow banning too which I wasn't aware was a problem. Is that just butthurt incels getting their sock accounts banned repeatedly or an actual issue?
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Post by deebs on Sept 29, 2021 0:34:15 GMT
Shadow bans were always called global ignores. There was some guy just happily posting away for a time and no one could read what he was saying. Just bumping threads.
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Post by deebs on Sept 29, 2021 0:36:42 GMT
Ohh boy. The 3.99 subscriber thing EG has throw forth is a real kick in the teeth. For years we were suggesting it and there it is! Only sans a community.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 29, 2021 0:37:55 GMT
This is more to do with people being shadow banned from comments under the front page articles though from what I understand.
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Post by minimatt on Sept 29, 2021 0:58:44 GMT
Is there any consensus on what's a decent site to get gaming news from? Heavily PC biased thoughts:
They all churn the same press releases, if you value rapid turnaround of your press releases I often find in the evening I'll read the same news on RPS that I read that afternoon on EG, and that morning on PC Gamer. The news that isn't press releases is reporting original stories created by Kotaku the day before.
Pick & mix is really order of the day. The above four still get the majority of my eyeballs with Polygon, Waypoint(Vice), and PCGamesN occasionally getting an eyeball of their own too. IGN & Gamespot were complete arse for so long but I've seen folks suggest they're sometimes worthy of a glance, though at this point I'm all out of eyeballs.
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Post by deebs on Sept 29, 2021 1:01:55 GMT
Same thing.
And I'm seeing the software being too old and creaky to maintain for EG argument being bandied about by Oli and craigy, yet RPS's forum has no such issues yet they're getting fingerblasted too.
It was never anything to do with the software that created the problem, it was a disingenuous excuse. I don't buy it.
I would, however, completely take it on the chin if it was because we were a bunch of vile fucks who could be found a mere click away from the latest Kirby review.
ed: That still doesn't fully explain the axe dropping on the RPS forum though. I think the truth was no one wanted to moderate it, despite there being plenty of plain clothes mods around. I just don't like bullshit excuses is all.
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Post by aubergine on Sept 29, 2021 1:40:06 GMT
I agree that the main believable concern with the forum was moderating it. I think it’s probably harder than ever to get fresh, untainted, “moderate” moderators. I used to be a good person until I moderated a forum for a while. Now I’m like Kirk in Star Trek 6, when Spock says “But the Klingons will die,” and Kirk says “Let them die!” I imagine anyone who continues clutching mod powers for more than a year or two degenerates into a liche.
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Post by aubergine on Sept 29, 2021 1:45:12 GMT
If me being stabbed dozens of times couldn’t draw outside attention, I doubt anything could. Were you stabbed by someone from the forum? Hard to say. He had a PS4 and took drugs, but didn’t seem to be a serious gamer at all. Very interested in cricket though. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 29, 2021 3:35:06 GMT
Were you stabbed by someone from the forum? Hard to say. He had a PS4 and took drugs, but didn’t seem to be a serious gamer at all. Very interested in cricket though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 5:58:42 GMT
I think the underlying issue with the forums was money. They might not cost a lot, but they generate nothing. With RPS and eg closing, they saved £1000. They're now introducing a very expensive subscription, which suggests Reedpop are struggling financially or they're greedy buggers. Given Craigy said iirc he's a one man IT, I'd say they're cutting everything to the bone and are near collapse.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 29, 2021 6:21:51 GMT
I think the underlying issue with the forums was money. They might not cost a lot, but they generate nothing. With RPS and eg closing, they saved £1000. They're now introducing a very expensive subscription, which suggests Reedpop are struggling financially or they're greedy buggers. Given Craigy said iirc he's a one man IT, I'd say they're cutting everything to the bone and are near collapse. Reedpop collapses, we buy it up, the hunted becomes the hunter. |
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Post by askew on Sept 29, 2021 6:44:22 GMT
Hard to say. He had a PS4 and took drugs, but didn’t seem to be a serious gamer at all. Very interested in cricket though. Why I oughta… |
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Post by elstoof on Sept 29, 2021 6:58:48 GMT
I wouldn’t want to guess whether they’re broke or not, but two years of no expos or events worldwide is going to seriously harm an expo and events company
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 29, 2021 7:08:18 GMT
I wouldn’t want to guess whether they’re broke or not, but two years of no expos or events worldwide is going to seriously harm an expo and events company Last years was great. Got to see craigy's kitchen. |
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Post by killerbee on Sept 29, 2021 7:40:31 GMT
I’ve read EG regularly for 20+ years so a big part of me feels I owe it to the site to subscribe…
But unfortunately this paid option has arrived right at the time I’m finding less and less interest in EG’s output. And the Forum getting the axe is definitely a factor in that. Throughout that 20 year readership, it was always the community that really kept me coming back.
Looking at the Front page now, there’s one review but the rest is all press release “news”. Two of the articles are about Netflix, ffs. And I realise Fortnite is popular, but do we really need an article every time a new skin is released or they tweak the XP levels? (Yes, I realise they drive clicks, but surely there are other sources for Fortnite guff?)
And what, really, does the paid sub give? I’d only be interested in it for the articles, but that’s pushing you up to the Premium tier which, at £59.99 annually, is more than I pay for a years’ PS+ subscription…
I do hope they make a success of it but I also hope the rest of the site maintains its character and broad content. If they don’t also cater to the majority of freeloaders (yes, like me) then traffic will dry up and I can’t see the paying audience sticking around long either.
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Post by Danno on Sept 29, 2021 7:43:32 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Sept 29, 2021 7:49:56 GMT
5-10 years ago if they’d asked for a couple of quid a month I’d still have the direct debit set up today most likely. Even £1 per month is way more than any ad revenue the average user generates and an independent Gamer Network could justifiably ask. Now it’s owned by a multibillion dollar parent company they can get fucked for £5.99
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Post by djronz on Sept 29, 2021 7:59:55 GMT
Been on EG for over 15 years, but as my time for gaming has dried up I was only really visiting EG for the forum and occasionally reading any news that took my interest whilst there.
I haven't bothered to look since they closed the forum, they might have shot themselves in the foot a little bit.
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Post by スコットランド on Sept 29, 2021 8:10:16 GMT
I’ve read EG regularly for 20+ years so a big part of me feels I owe it to the site to subscribe… But unfortunately this paid option has arrived right at the time I’m finding less and less interest in EG’s output. And the Forum getting the axe is definitely a factor in that. Throughout that 20 year readership, it was always the community that really kept me coming back. Looking at the Front page now, there’s one review but the rest is all press release “news”. Two of the articles are about Netflix, ffs. And I realise Fortnite is popular, but do we really need an article every time a new skin is released or they tweak the XP levels? (Yes, I realise they drive clicks, but surely there are other sources for Fortnite guff?) And what, really, does the paid sub give? I’d only be interested in it for the articles, but that’s pushing you up to the Premium tier which, at £59.99 annually, is more than I pay for a years’ PS+ subscription… I do hope they make a success of it but I also hope it doesn’t mean the rest of the site maintains its character and broad content. If they don’t also cater to the majority of freeloaders (yes, like me) then traffic will dry up and I can’t see the paying audience sticking around long either. Similar thoughts myself, the price is laughable. Once Rauper sold out to a conglomerate (don't blame him at all) it was always going to go like this. |
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Post by spacein_vader on Sept 29, 2021 8:14:29 GMT
5-10 years ago if they’d asked for a couple of quid a month I’d still have the direct debit set up today most likely. Even £1 per month is way more than any ad revenue the average user generates and an independent Gamer Network could justifiably ask. Now it’s owned by a multibillion dollar parent company they can get fucked for £5.99 That's my position. When RPS was independent and asking for a couple of quid a month to turn ads off and the odd supporter post that was fine. Reedpop can do one. Didn't realise they're an events company. Wonder if they'll try and spin the sites off to someone else. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Sept 29, 2021 8:17:34 GMT
5-10 years ago if they’d asked for a couple of quid a month I’d still have the direct debit set up today most likely. Even £1 per month is way more than any ad revenue the average user generates and an independent Gamer Network could justifiably ask. Now it’s owned by a multibillion dollar parent company they can get fucked for £5.99 This exactly. The price is quite literally eye watering. Honestly it's at least 3-5 years past the point I might have considered something but it's also 600% more than they can justify asking for imo particularly given DF is it's own thing. Look at something like giant bomb premium (to which I also don't subscribe) and the value is quite obviously evident. It's also cheaper and comes with a $15 credit for their store. EG have struggled to even maintain a basic podcast for well over 10 years, I won't even get started on their fairly rubbish video content. The pricing is just so bonkers i actually laughed out loud when I saw it. It will fail spectacularly, I have little doubt of that. |
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Post by Gitsome UK on Sept 29, 2021 8:50:24 GMT
/holds up hand to eyes as it's all so shiny in here
So this is where everyone is!!
Don't mind me
/sets up popcorn and drinks machine
Been lurking in the EG forums for 17 years and will continue to do so here too!
I've not got much to add as everyone has pretty much said it... On a personal note, being on the EG forum with a bunch of other gamers of a similar age and mentality to me has been great over the years. From populating my friends list for online play with funny great people to just the general banter... I'm glad this has been established.
EG have missed the mark completely as to who or what their readership are.
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 29, 2021 9:15:34 GMT
Yep, as said, the news hasn’t gone down very well in the comments with negative reactions much more heavily upvoted than positive and it mostly hinges around asking for so much dosh when there’s been such a noticeable quality drop. Tricky situation, and I only have some sympathy because of fondness for the forum they binned and the place EG was prior to the sell out. That letter from the editor better be really, really fucking good.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 29, 2021 9:25:14 GMT
Whilst I understand the arguments for closing the forum I really think Reedpop missed the benefits an established community brings to a business.
The comments section doesn't create any brand loyalty or community. You can find a comments section about new Game X anywhere including YouTube and Twitch which is whete their target market feels more at home.
Why visit Eurogamer?
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Post by spacein_vader on Sept 29, 2021 9:41:02 GMT
Whilst I understand the arguments for closing the forum I really think Reedpop missed the benefits an established community brings to a business. But a forum doesn't generate ad impressions. |
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Post by nazo on Sept 29, 2021 9:54:40 GMT
Whilst I understand the arguments for closing the forum I really think Reedpop missed the benefits an established community brings to a business. But a forum doesn't generate ad impressions. I think the intangible benefits of having a bunch of grumpy old men telling everyone to fuck off and complaining that nothings as good as it used to be should be obvious. |
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Post by technoish on Sept 29, 2021 11:20:18 GMT
The freemium model is a pretty standard model, but it seems strange to have so little consolidation as part of it. The standard package for no ads is not worth it for the extras. ANd then the premium package is very limited, considering the other components. E.g. how many website does Roger own? According to wiki, there are 8 core brands/websites, and then also partnerships with a bunch of other websites.
Why doesn't a sub to EG give you ad free across Gamer Network websites?
I'd love to understand the operating model - do each of the different titles operate completely separately with their own budgets? do they have any shared services? I don't think I've seen any shared editorial - e.g. RPS is the PC focused website, so would make sense to pump select PC content into EG, rather than EG do it's own. Similarly, there is a partnership with Road to VR, so it could feature key VR News form that, and also maybe Road to VR could feature the Higtonators VR videos.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 29, 2021 11:30:23 GMT
The justification seems to be that very few people read more than one product strand so pumping money into unifying them is less cost effective than monetising them piecemeal.
Which, yeah, is fine short term but I have and do work somewhere that aquires other businesses that run on more/less advanced platforms and if you dont integrate them quickly it just creates a massive ballache further down the line. I know they seemingly bought EGX and got a free website but I would think somewhere with a coherent technology strategy would aim to standardise the platform all of their acquisitions run on sooner rather than later.
But I'm just a simple guy who knows nothing about nothing
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