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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 12:03:04 GMT
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Post by rockavitch on Apr 29, 2024 12:03:04 GMT
That's my complaint about it too, I find the world in NV to be boring compared to 3 and even 4. That's down to how I play these games though, I like to put a marker on the far corner and just make my way there exploring as I go, they are my zone out "comfort games". NV didn't have that for me, and so many invisible walls too.
I preferred the factions and the stats and stuff in NV but it just feels like a point a to point b game for me and the gameplay isn't good enough for that.
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Post by rockavitch on Apr 29, 2024 12:08:13 GMT
The building stuff can be ignored after the building tutorial. Best thing to do is just build a ladder to the roof of Red Rocket, pop a premade structure down or even just a few boxes and just use that as your own base to store stuff. It's the most convenient solo space and I mention the roof because you can pop down a welcome mat that acts as the fast travel spot and it keeps your items out of reach. It also has one of all workbenches you can just move up too so you don't even have to build them.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 12:18:01 GMT
I do think NV is a little overrated, especially in its modern reevaluation. It’s good, for sure (though all of the FO games are good anyway, BoS aside). While the characters and story are great, the world itself is boring and overall it feels disconnected from the rest of the series, as if it would have worked better as a non-Fallout game. It’s also, much like FO2, super over indulgent at times, which can take you out of the world a lot.
Also it has one of the most toxic fanbases this side of the regular internet. Which is ironic, because the toxic fandom of No Mutants Allowed absolutely fucking hated it when it came out, and it’s only in recent years it’s become the “look at how Bethesda ruined the franchise! Maybe Van Buren will actually happen one day” poster child for the insane.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 29, 2024 12:31:59 GMT
NV isn't overrated for me. It's not perfect or anything, but I think it's the best Fallout game by quite some distance, and one of the best RPGs ever made. That being said, I don't at all want to be associated with the NMA sociopaths, all of whom really need to go outside and smell some grass or something.
As for me, I don't really like the direction that Bethesda took the series. But hey... they own the rights to it, and they can do what they want with it. It's not a personal affront to me that they turned it into a thing that millions of other people like; I'm happy that people like them! Hell, if they'd made something catered only to me, the series would have probably died long ago.
Besides, if I want more 2D Fallout, I can just go play the Wasteland games. They're not all that far off.
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Post by Whizzo on Apr 29, 2024 12:36:50 GMT
I remember quicksaving every few steps trying to reach the entrance to base at Camp McCarran as it would just randomly crash the game on my PC. I think that eventually got fixed but it was a pain in the arse, maybe I should do a start from scratch with it as I never finished but my backlog is huge.
Fortunately in real life McCarran Airport (now Harry Reid as it changed in 2021) in Las Vegas is not so dangerous and you won't blow up like you're walking in a minefield, plus a handy place to use up any American coins in the slots before boarding your flight home. Although in my case I actually ended up winning some money but at least I got it changed to bills okay.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 13:02:31 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 13:02:31 GMT
NV isn't overrated for me. It's not perfect or anything, but I think it's the best Fallout game by quite some distance, and one of the best RPGs ever made. That being said, I don't at all want to be associated with the NMA sociopaths, all of whom really need to go outside and smell some grass or something. As for me, I don't really like the direction that Bethesda took the series. But hey... they own the rights to it, and they can do what they want with it. It's not a personal affront to me that they turned it into a thing that millions of other people like; I'm happy that people like them! Hell, if they'd made something catered only to me, the series would have probably died long ago. Besides, if I want more 2D Fallout, I can just go play the Wasteland games. They're not all that far off. What things that were changed didn't you like?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 29, 2024 13:12:36 GMT
I don't know that I can really explain without going full tl;dr, but I'll try after I wake up tomorrow.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 14:30:56 GMT
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Post by mothercruncher on Apr 29, 2024 14:30:56 GMT
NV was made in 18 months too, how long did Bethesda just take over Starfield again?
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Post by zagibu on Apr 29, 2024 15:05:51 GMT
overall it feels disconnected from the rest of the series, as if it would have worked better as a non-Fallout game. It’s also, much like FO2, super over indulgent at times, which can take you out of the world a lot. NV fits in much better with Fallout 1 and 2 than 3 does, in my opinion. Also, can you explain what you mean with it being super over indulgent?
3 is just not a Fallout game, it's a sandbox filled with Fallout props and a thin and weak story layer painted over it. It's much more like Oblivion and Skyrim than any Fallout game. It could actually be an Oblivion mod.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Apr 29, 2024 15:50:51 GMT
Fallout 3 was my introduction to the Fallout world. I really enjoyed it, exploring the wasteland was a good time and the aesthetic is excellent, I can't really remember much about the quests or characters, though.
New Vegas was sparser and it didn't fill me with as much wanderlust, but I have far more lasting memories from it. It's what happens when you're presented with more choice and dilemmas than [Do the quest] or [Don't do the quest].
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Post by rhaegyr on Apr 29, 2024 15:53:13 GMT
Pfft - everyone knows Fallout 2 was the last great Fallout game.
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Post by Whizzo on Apr 29, 2024 15:56:17 GMT
Pfft - everyone knows Fallout 2 was the last great Fallout game. Fallout Tactics doesn't get a fair shake really though, it had its issues and wasn't an RPG but I enjoyed it rather a lot. The less said about this game the better though, it was rubbish.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 15:58:15 GMT
Yeah, FOT is still very playable. It also gave us Fallout Warfare, which in turn gave us Fallout Wasteland Warfare, which is one of the best non-Warhammer tabletop mini games going.
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Post by monkman5000 on Apr 29, 2024 16:23:20 GMT
I have to strong disagree about "since Oblivion", Skyrim is pretty much one of my favourite games. And better then Oblivion and much more enjoyable than Morrowind. And honestly I preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. You are allowed to have wrong opinions.
[Edit] Actually, I do agree that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. And it's probably better than Morrowind, too, but only because it is more modern. An updated Morrowind would be much better than Skyrim.
But Fallout 3 better than New Vegas? No. Never. It might be the better sandbox, but it's not the better game.
Wow, can't beat a bit of opinion gatekeeping. I also much preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. It's almost as if people want different things from games.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 16:47:41 GMT
I honestly find this discussion a little crazy. They’re all good games and while I don’t really put that much stock into scores they’re all critically acclaimed. 3 especially had nigh on universal acclaim at the time. I’d agree it’s probably the worst aged of everything though, and that includes 1 and 2.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 17:18:41 GMT
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Apr 29, 2024 17:18:41 GMT
Yeah, FOT is still very playable. It also gave us Fallout Warfare, which in turn gave us Fallout Wasteland Warfare, which is one of the best non-Warhammer tabletop mini games going. I am playing through a solo settlement campaign of FWW at this very moment.
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Post by apollo on Apr 29, 2024 17:48:12 GMT
the quest where you meet Paladin dunce is broken, as he just keep saying about hostiles despite no ghouls around and I've checked neaby and tried previous. iirc it was broken in a patch after launch and going back to your house and sleeping use to fix it but not any more. This is a main quest as well
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Post by zagibu on Apr 29, 2024 18:15:59 GMT
I also much preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. Like I said, it's okay to have wrong opinions.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 18:39:55 GMT
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Post by robthehermit on Apr 29, 2024 18:39:55 GMT
I highly recommend doing the first few fetch quests for Tom (Railroad) as soon as you can manage it.
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Post by hicksy on Apr 29, 2024 19:11:23 GMT
All of them are great to excellent…
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 19:15:47 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 19:15:47 GMT
My apathy for 4 is that other than settlement building which didn't interest me in the slightest I didn't feel that the franchise had been expanded on in any meaningful way. I could clearly see a clear design shift from Oblivion to Skyrim and an expansion of ideas as a whole in Starfield even though I'm not fully on board I can see a developer trying to do something regardless of how successful it was or well, unsuccessful. FO4 felt like very much a retread of what had been done before and felt old when it was released.
I don't expect a completely different game but FO5 has to shake things up somehow and move the franchise on where it may share DNA but it can't just be a "prettier" version of the past game.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 20:19:47 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 20:19:47 GMT
If we’re going to gate keep people’s opinions on games then we’re also going to gate keep people’s ability to post. Here’s a week timeout for zagibu. If that sort of thing is really important to you, fuck off to NWA or one of the Fallout subreddits.
Anyway, I didn’t get on with settlement stuff at launch but the DLC made it pretty decent to lose some time to. Getting a factory line setup that churns out ammo en mass was rewarding, if super clunky and Minecraft-lite.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 20:23:26 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 20:23:26 GMT
Actually, what things/features would people want for Fallout 5?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 20:25:25 GMT
NV was made in 18 months too, how long did Bethesda just take over Starfield again? I think it's something like 8 years or so.
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Apr 29, 2024 20:26:56 GMT
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Post by cubby on Apr 29, 2024 20:26:56 GMT
Really?
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 20:28:49 GMT
I’d like a tighter, smaller (but still open) space. Starfield kind of showed that having a billion places to go is meaningless if there’s nothing there. Also would like them to make an effort at merging Radiant quests and better outcomes. Which once again has been shown that having virtually unlimited procedural quest, while a nice idea, doesn’t work when all they are is Preston bleating that a settlement is under attack by raiders or that someone’s lost a precious teapot in a location you’ve already cleared.
Also some more substantial returns to old locations. Seeing what’s up in Vault 13 could make a nice side quest.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 20:30:38 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 20:30:38 GMT
Yes, I believe it started development after FO4 shipped and they went through quite a few iterations. There was one where it got quite far but I believe it was more survival based than it is now with things like resources for fuel and actually surviving in space and there was a lot of trying to make the Creation Engine do space travel and what we have now is a significantly watered down version of what they were trying to do which would have completely mitigated the issue that exists now of the game being a loading simulator.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 20:32:40 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 20:32:40 GMT
Also, while the coding of NV was short, most of the story points, characters, and to some extent, main quests had been around for years in Van Buren. They pretty much just picked up the design docs from when Interplay went under. Still doesn’t excuse Starfield being as long as it was and as empty as it was, but the genesis of NV was many years before it came out.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 20:35:16 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 20:35:16 GMT
I’d like a tighter, smaller (but still open) space. Starfield kind of showed that having a billion places to go is meaningless if there’s nothing there. Also would like them to make an effort at merging Radiant quests and better outcomes. Which once again has been shown that having virtually unlimited procedural quest, while a nice idea, doesn’t work when all they are is Preston bleating that a settlement is under attack by raiders or that someone’s lost a precious teapot in a location you’ve already cleared. Also some more substantial returns to old locations. Seeing what’s up in Vault 13 could make a nice side quest. Yeah I agree with all that stuff, especially th radiant quest stuff. It's what I hope gets a big overhaul for Elder Scrolls 6. I think I just want to fall in love with exploring again and I want the world to actually feel dangerous like maybe add some proper survival mechanics in it as standard.
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Fallout 4
Apr 29, 2024 20:46:13 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2024 20:46:13 GMT
I’d honestly like for them to do a settlement builder spinoff in classic 2D Sierra city builder style. I know it’s never going to happen, but one can dream.
They could also take Frostpunk and make it more nuclear and less bleak, although Less Bleak Frostpunk sounds wrong.
Not counting Fallout Shelter as it’s really an idle clicker.
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