zephro
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Apr 27, 2024 20:35:58 GMT
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Post by zephro on Apr 27, 2024 20:35:58 GMT
I’ve had my fill after 3 hours. The game is shit. Sorry. It’s shit. It hasn't aged well I must agree. TBF even when it came out it was behind the curve gameplay wise and in visuals. I feel like conversations must be happening with Microsoft to figure shit out because Starfield didn't move the needle at all, it hasn't led to any increase in console sales and Elder Scrolls 6 needs to smash it out of the park day one and offer something a bit more than what Bethesda have been delivering for that past 17 years. Would it be so controversial for them hand to development of something like Fallout 5 to another dev like Obsidian again? Giving it to Obsidian would require logic though, they will have their experience with Unreal from Outer Worlds and Avowed all working. Outer Worlds was a bit bare and small in places but remarkably not as janky as Bethesda stuff. Hell try Arkane they could do an immersive sim Fallout using idTech.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 27, 2024 21:20:10 GMT
Tbh I'm actually enjoying this play currently. Knowing what to expect helps.
Visually I still think it looks decent, the character models arent amazing but I think the actual world holds up pretty well and has a decent atmosphere, and that's something Bethesda did really well across Fallout 3, Skyrim and Fallout 4.
New Vegas lacked that particular sense of place, so whilst it had a better writing and story I honestly never got into the world as much as the vibe didn't draw me in. In my experience NV was jankier than FO3 and 4 even.
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Post by rockavitch on Apr 28, 2024 0:43:05 GMT
I'd hate them to give it to Obsidian since I wasn't fond of NV and dropped The Outer Worlds twice (actually dropped it the second time for FO4 PS5). I wouldn't be against another developer getting a go though.
Edit: Should say why NV wasn't enjoyable for me. The world was too empty and too brown, the scenery, the clothing, the filter, all brown. I wasn't a fan of the green in FO3 either but at least the greys, silvers, blues of the buildings, outfits and weapons worked as a contrast to the green. You could see what was in the distance more.
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MolarAm🔵
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Apr 28, 2024 1:06:33 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 28, 2024 1:06:33 GMT
It's set in a desert
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Post by apollo on Apr 28, 2024 6:35:14 GMT
Obsidian had a reallty short time given to get NV out of the door for the game that size, also its using the same tech as F3 (I remember how broken and crashed a lot at launch) but the characters and RPG story elements are so much better like the factions. F4 tried to do the factions and its shite. Not sure how many of the NV dev team are still there but BGS have not done very well. F4 had a lot of RPG stuff "slim down" and starfield was utter below average drivel (this was suppose to be years in development passion project).
Maybe Larian can make a new fallout? maybe in the style of the cancelled fallout 3: van buren (just no irradiated bear fucking scene, please Larian) Outer worlds by Obsidian was disapointing, a lot of the maps were awful, characters were meh and the limted budget by the publisher didn't help
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Post by zisssou on Apr 28, 2024 7:32:52 GMT
I’ve had my fill after 3 hours. The game is shit. Sorry. It’s shit. It hasn't aged well I must agree. TBF even when it came out it was behind the curve gameplay wise and in visuals. I feel like conversations must be happening with Microsoft to figure shit out because Starfield didn't move the needle at all, it hasn't led to any increase in console sales and Elder Scrolls 6 needs to smash it out of the park day one and offer something a bit more than what Bethesda have been delivering for that past 17 years. Would it be so controversial for them hand to development of something like Fallout 5 to another dev like Obsidian again? I know you can ignore the settlement stuff, but it seems so essential to the game, that it’s completely put me off. It just seems so odd that it feels backwards compared to 3 and NV. I just feel I’m in some semi sandbox world, where I’m supposed to create these trade routes and that bores me to tears. Maybe it’s a rough start and gets better, but already having to clear raiders camps is boring me. After this I went and installed Kingdom Come Deliverence. And that’s also got its critics, but I’m having a really great time, feeling like I’m in that world.
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MolarAm🔵
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 28, 2024 7:50:01 GMT
I know that this outcome is highly unlikely after the success of the TV series, but I'd personally be fine if people just stopped making Fallout games altogether. Or at the very least completely change the setting, so we can get variation on some of the tropes or some greater enemy variety.
Set it in Australia, get some mutated kangaroos and dropbears in there.
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Post by apollo on Apr 28, 2024 7:55:20 GMT
Also the building stuff in fallout 4 is still a pile of shit (you need mods to make a nice base) I tried to make a base ages ago on console and its crap trying to make a house wall join
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hedben
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Apr 28, 2024 8:01:31 GMT
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Post by hedben on Apr 28, 2024 8:01:31 GMT
I loved 3 and NV, and liked 4 just fine when it came out, but I agree it’s hard to go back to now. I started a new game for the update, and tried heading off the main path towards what I assume is the start of one of the DLCs (that I’ve never done), but there were too many tough enemies and advanced locks/terminals on the way. So now I’m wondering whether to cheat my level up, I certainly can’t be bothered to do it the normal way in the early areas / main quest.
Fallout 76, however, I’m having a blast with. It’s just like playing a new Bethesda Fallout game, except occasionally you’ll stumble on someone’s camp with like a custom ammo table that looks like a cat opening its mouth, and you remember there’s a multiplayer part to it too. It also seems much more generous with items and aid - I’m never short a stimpak or radaway when I need one. Still the occasional Bethesda jank, like when I was sent to “Deathclaw Island” to fetch an egg and there were no deathclaws protecting it, but generally it’s scratching the itch in a way it didn’t at launch.
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Fallout 4
Apr 28, 2024 12:14:47 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 28, 2024 12:14:47 GMT
That's some quality gaslighting right there.
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Whizzo
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Post by Whizzo on Apr 28, 2024 12:19:01 GMT
Please enjoy our creaky old game with a small amount of changes but at least it's sometimes at double the frame rate of our last game with the same shitty engine.
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Fallout 4
Apr 28, 2024 12:25:45 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 28, 2024 12:25:45 GMT
There's obviously something going on here, because they're effectively saying the update isn't bugged on the Series consoles with both the X AND S running at 60fps in both modes with no difference between both modes, but the PS5 has a 30fps and 60fps modes with clear visual differences. So it's either Bethesda are telling the truth or the patch notes they wrote literally do not apply to the series consoles.
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richardiox
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Post by richardiox on Apr 28, 2024 12:46:22 GMT
I'm not entirely getting all the hate. My personal experience has been that of a small free update that lets me run the game officially at 4k60 on console with some settings pushed higher.
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Post by monkman5000 on Apr 28, 2024 12:50:27 GMT
Agree, I picked the PS4 digital version up for pennies a week or so before the advertised free update. It runs really nicely and looks fine. People gonna grumble though I suppose.
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X201
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Apr 28, 2024 13:04:16 GMT
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Post by X201 on Apr 28, 2024 13:04:16 GMT
That's some quality gaslighting right there. The 11th Hour “Spooky Mode” tips hat and heads back to the 90’s.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Apr 28, 2024 14:08:18 GMT
I loved 3 and NV, and liked 4 just fine when it came out, but I agree it’s hard to go back to now. I started a new game for the update, and tried heading off the main path towards what I assume is the start of one of the DLCs (that I’ve never done), but there were too many tough enemies and advanced locks/terminals on the way. So now I’m wondering whether to cheat my level up, I certainly can’t be bothered to do it the normal way in the early areas / main quest. Fallout 76, however, I’m having a blast with. It’s just like playing a new Bethesda Fallout game, except occasionally you’ll stumble on someone’s camp with like a custom ammo table that looks like a cat opening its mouth, and you remember there’s a multiplayer part to it too. It also seems much more generous with items and aid - I’m never short a stimpak or radaway when I need one. Still the occasional Bethesda jank, like when I was sent to “Deathclaw Island” to fetch an egg and there were no deathclaws protecting it, but generally it’s scratching the itch in a way it didn’t at launch. What about the Bethesda launcher? Do you still need that for Fo76? Is it still always online?
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hedben
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Apr 28, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
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Post by hedben on Apr 28, 2024 14:15:49 GMT
ToomuchFluffy I’m playing on Xbox so I don’t know about the launcher for PC. And I’m not sure if it’s always online, but my internet can be flaky and I haven’t been booted from the game yet…
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Apr 29, 2024 5:00:04 GMT
ToomuchFluffy I’m playing on Xbox so I don’t know about the launcher for PC. And I’m not sure if it’s always online, but my internet can be flaky and I haven’t been booted from the game yet… I thought that might be the case, but Thanks anyway.
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Post by mothercruncher on Apr 29, 2024 6:04:40 GMT
There’s a really old article about how badly Bethesda shafted the developers when making New Vegas- messed them about, didn’t help and drastically shortened the development time they were given. They *still* made a superior game to anything Bethesda could turn out… with their own bloody engine and development tools. They’re been the Emperor’s New Clothes of developers ever since Oblivion, a shit indie house, regurgitating the same tired ideas via the same broken engine. They deserve much *more* hate, the big smelly twats.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 29, 2024 7:04:10 GMT
I have to strong disagree about "since Oblivion", Skyrim is pretty much one of my favourite games. And better then Oblivion and much more enjoyable than Morrowind.
And honestly I preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas.
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Post by apollo on Apr 29, 2024 7:11:16 GMT
Tried to play it last night and found a new quest the halloween one (turns out its just a room of feral ghouls with jack lanterns, some real fallout 76 quest slop) tried to leave the building as only level 10 and the game keeps locking up once I get outside
saw this video where they just have big red box instead of object, their devs really give zero fucks about the quality of their updates (I remember skyrim had backward flying dragons after one patch)
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Post by malek86 on Apr 29, 2024 10:51:50 GMT
After a bit of a slow start, I'm really enjoying New Vegas. It doesn't quite have that wanderlust feeling of Bethesda's output (where I usually don't care about quests and just go around exploring the place), but the quests are much more interesting and you do have a lot of skill-related dialogue options and stuff.
I do have FO4 ready to go, but want to finish this first.
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Post by zagibu on Apr 29, 2024 11:32:52 GMT
I have to strong disagree about "since Oblivion", Skyrim is pretty much one of my favourite games. And better then Oblivion and much more enjoyable than Morrowind. And honestly I preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. You are allowed to have wrong opinions.
[Edit] Actually, I do agree that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. And it's probably better than Morrowind, too, but only because it is more modern. An updated Morrowind would be much better than Skyrim.
But Fallout 3 better than New Vegas? No. Never. It might be the better sandbox, but it's not the better game.
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Post by apollo on Apr 29, 2024 11:44:18 GMT
After a bit of a slow start, I'm really enjoying New Vegas. It doesn't quite have that wanderlust feeling of Bethesda's output (where I usually don't care about quests and just go around exploring the place), but the quests are much more interesting and you do have a lot of skill-related dialogue options and stuff. I do have FO4 ready to go, but want to finish this first. The lonesome road DLC is really great, Old World Blues is good (but a bit too out there for some), the other 2 are ok (dead money can be too hard if not surival spec)
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 29, 2024 11:55:48 GMT
I have to strong disagree about "since Oblivion", Skyrim is pretty much one of my favourite games. And better then Oblivion and much more enjoyable than Morrowind. And honestly I preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. You are allowed to have wrong opinions.
[Edit] Actually, I do agree that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. And it's probably better than Morrowind, too, but only because it is more modern. An updated Morrowind would be much better than Skyrim.
But Fallout 3 better than New Vegas? No. Never. It might be the better sandbox, but it's not the better game.
My argument for Fallout 3 over NV is that the atmosphere was just more tangible. The way the world was designed, the layout, just felt more real. By comparison, NV's world felt more like disconnected, like each town or location was good, but how they knitted together physically just felt off to me. The mechanisms used to shape the land felt more obvious too, the "raise" or "lower" terrain tool used to create hills was apparent but 3 did a better job at hiding it. So yeah, better sandbox, but given that 85% of my time in Fallout is spent wandering around relatively aimlessly, it's a very important part of the experience for me. New Vegas did have a better story I guess. I mean people keep saying it so I'll go along with it, but I can't say I find it substantially more memorable.
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wunty
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Post by wunty on Apr 29, 2024 11:58:21 GMT
How much base building shit is in FO4? I want to start a playthrough but just want to explore and do the odd quest etc. I can't be fucked managing a settlement or any of that crap though.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 29, 2024 12:00:01 GMT
How much base building shit is in FO4? I want to start a playthrough but just want to explore and do the odd quest etc. I can't be fucked managing a settlement or any of that crap though. You have to do 5 minutes of building near the beginning if you go to Concord but really you can totally ignore it.
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MolarAm🔵
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Apr 29, 2024 12:01:59 GMT
How much base building shit is in FO4? I want to start a playthrough but just want to explore and do the odd quest etc. I can't be fucked managing a settlement or any of that crap though. iirc you have to build one settlement as part of the tutorial quests. But after that you can just fuck off and do whatever. Though you will regularly get the minutemen telling you about other settlements under attack, there's no way to turn that bullshit off.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 29, 2024 12:02:15 GMT
I think there might be a tiny amount required later on, been a while since I played but recall having to build a transmitter I think to contact somebody. But it's something I largely ignore.
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wunty
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Post by wunty on Apr 29, 2024 12:02:23 GMT
Sweet. Think I'll jump in. Might be a nice filler til System Shock in three weeks.
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