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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 9, 2021 13:17:08 GMT
You have just described the real world art and collectables scene to a tee as well. It's no different at all. Coolidges 'Poker Game' sold for 658,000 and while a technically a good painting it's still an inherently stupid painting and series. Don't even get me started on the Rothko nonsense. I failed to make myself clear. I agree that the speculative part of the art market is no different from specualtion in any other market, NFTs included. What I find interesting about NFT "native" art, is how utterly uninteresting and redundant it is as art. Whether or not you like Rothko is matter of taste, so rather unimportant to discuss, but if you know a bit about art you know that he pushed boundaries and that he created something new. What I find interesting about the big ticket NFT artists is how much they are shaped by the medium, and environment, in which they exist and create. Rather than pushing boundaries, or using their creativity to say something, anything, about the world, they optimise for financial speculation. So while I find their variations on Face Your Manga to be anything but art, the fact that there's a big trend where a bunch of people are doing the same thing, and managing to capture peoples attention, says a lot. Or how you reply immediately fell back on the financial speculation side, rather than try to think about cryptopunks et al as art. That's what interests me. The art as commentary on our society is a byproduct of the art. I didn't really fall back on the financial speculation side, I was comparing low effort art to low effort art, it's not my fault that people with loads of money have questionable taste, the cycle has just repeated itself. For what it's worth I'd totally hang a Poker Game print on my wall because neither me or my 12 year old could paint that. But you are right, that is just me being subjective which is also exactly what you are doing as well with your interpretation of the space. I may agree with a lot of what you say but there will always be others who will argue the opposite is true. It's still art of some description, make of it what you will. And it's far too early to really say how this will play out in the long run but punks, apes and other little circle jerks with exclusive parties and what not are slowly being engulfed by the real 1/1 artists. Whether they be names like Banksy or some super talented kid in Vietnam whose sales just brought their parents a house. Scratch the surface and there is amazing artists doing amazing things and yes saying things that would likely get them thrown in jail in their country if discovered. The dude who makes Vee Friends, another inherently low effort and big ticket creation, raises millions for various charities. I can live with recognising cryptopunks as a piss take, it's irrelevant to me. It is also largely irrelevant to the NFT platforms as a whole. Yeah, it's certainly an interesting social commentary but I'm more of a 'shut up and calculate' type of person. I'd rather worry about what I'm doing and not what others are or why. By the way, I couldn't interest you in a pixelated dog? |
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Dec 9, 2021 13:37:01 GMT
Do you really think cryptopunks are irrelevant? Aren't they a bit of OG, kickstarting the whole "Let's randomize avatars!" thing that the ape and that other on chain cryptopunk rip-off (that I can't remember the name of, they seemed to store the actual gif on a blockchain which I found interesting as it creates a direct link from a piece of art to the NFT and not just the other way around) are now capitalising off?
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What do you mean 1/1 artist?
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 9, 2021 14:25:15 GMT
Do you really think cryptopunks are irrelevant? Aren't they a bit of OG, kickstarting the whole "Let's randomize avatars!" thing that the ape and that other on chain cryptopunk rip-off (that I can't remember the name of, they seemed to store the actual gif on a blockchain which I found interesting as it creates a direct link from a piece of art to the NFT and not just the other way around) are now capitalising off? Also What do you mean 1/1 artist? They are entirely irrelevant to me, yes. Even if I could afford one I wouldn't get one because I think they are stupid and not worth anywhere near the amount of time spent back and forthing about them let alone worth the eth. Sure they have played a part in things but it's a small part in an entire ecosystem. They'll probably stand the test of time, at least the apes are kind of cool looking but it remains to be seen just how big a footnote they'll receive in the end. Truth is, they will end up in the Louvre one day. So maybe not so irrelevant, just I don't particularly care for them nor do I feel they represent all things NFT. 1/1 artist is someone who creates original one of a kind art, whether it being painting, sketches, photography, 3D, animation et al that will never be repeated. Punks, apes, and the many copycats are all considered generative art as they start with the same base layers then use coding to randomise all the layers into unique/not so unique traits. It also differentiates between those who release 100 copies of something to sell multiple times. It seems now the big money is shifting to the 1/1 art side lately. I don't think the generative fad will die just becomes less relevant. |
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Post by Zomoniac on Dec 9, 2021 15:08:01 GMT
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 9, 2021 19:43:33 GMT
lol
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 12, 2021 22:04:44 GMT
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Post by ignatiusjreilly on Dec 12, 2021 22:11:54 GMT
Was it Eurogamer or RPS that did the great Molyneux interview where they showed him up to be the dick he is
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 12, 2021 22:17:05 GMT
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Dec 13, 2021 12:11:04 GMT
That was too painful to read. I've always liked him for his grand visions, but when they kept being reduced to mere shadows of what was promised I wish he would have reoriented around that.
There was also the interview on EG with the guy who "won" Godus.
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Post by Sarfrin on Dec 13, 2021 18:52:23 GMT
The classic "Do you think you're a pathological liar?" interview. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 13, 2021 20:20:08 GMT
I mean Godus has been abandoned on Steam I believe, so yes he is a pathological liar and that guy who got to centre of that cube no doubt received fuck all.
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Post by cubby on Dec 13, 2021 20:31:29 GMT
Wow, way to date your game super quick. Hopefully he'll get the game finished in 7 months before everyone's forgotten about NFTs
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 13, 2021 20:34:54 GMT
Lol. 7 months...
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Post by Zomoniac on Dec 13, 2021 21:52:28 GMT
We had lootbox NFTs before?
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Post by cubby on Dec 13, 2021 21:59:37 GMT
Well boxing is just rich man silly buggers anyway. This is just another avenue for silly buggery
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 13, 2021 22:01:40 GMT
Oooh, is it full of casual sexism, homophobia and racism?
Solana has mystery boxes, no idea what though. It's a mystery.
Amazon Prime just gifted me an in game content nft that's currently flipping for around 15-18 dollars.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 13, 2021 23:40:59 GMT
This is all so very, very, very stupid. I look forward to all the 'in memoriam' posts when this whole scam collapses on itself.
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Post by JYM60 on Dec 14, 2021 9:17:00 GMT
Crypto.com app does 'mystery boxes'. You have to do 'missions' to earn diamonds, which are traded for the boxes.
Every day you can just open the mission tab to get one diamond, and trade $20 worth of crypto (just swap to USDT and back) to get 5 more. 25 diamonds gets you a mystery box. They are pointless. So far got 0.7 and 0.2 of their coin which is worth something like 40p, so 0.2 is worth 8p.
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Post by nazo on Dec 14, 2021 9:50:24 GMT
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Post by askew on Dec 14, 2021 10:35:24 GMT
Meh. Just press a button and the computer will spit out another random combination to flog.
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Dec 14, 2021 10:55:42 GMT
You'd made more money spending that time on Amazons virtual mechanical turk.
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Post by khanivor on Dec 14, 2021 18:50:52 GMT
Latest Behind the Bastards takes a good stab at crypto
Along other things I learned, seems Blimpie or whatever the fuck 68 million NFT boy goes by, was in cahoots with the guy who purchased that NFT.
IMO, the Venn diagram between interest in blockchains and lack of interest from the female gender is a single, unbroken circle
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Post by crispyxuk on Dec 14, 2021 21:45:17 GMT
Someone has fucked up at coinmarketcap as Iβm a trillionaire
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Post by JYM60 on Dec 15, 2021 10:57:38 GMT
Someone has fucked up at coinmarketcap as Iβm a trillionaire  |
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Post by gamingdave on Dec 15, 2021 12:43:41 GMT
Latest Behind the Bastards takes a good stab at crypto Along other things I learned, seems Blimpie or whatever the fuck 68 million NFT boy goes by, was in cahoots with the guy who purchased that NFT. IMO, the Venn diagram between interest in blockchains and lack of interest from the female gender is a single, unbroken circle It was bought by a crypto/NFT investment fund. Can't think of a reason why they might want to inflate the price of NFTs and make it look like an investable marketplace. |
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Dec 15, 2021 14:33:54 GMT
Latest Behind the Bastards takes a good stab at crypto Along other things I learned, seems Blimpie or whatever the fuck 68 million NFT boy goes by, was in cahoots with the guy who purchased that NFT. IMO, the Venn diagram between interest in blockchains and lack of interest from the female gender is a single, unbroken circle It was bought by a crypto/NFT investment fund. Can't think of a reason why they might want to inflate the price of NFTs and make it look like an investable marketplace. Where the illustrator owns a stake/share/part It was also bought for "money" that they can make themselves. That is pegged in part on the value of that piece of art, that is valuable because it was bought for money they made to buy it. Yes. If that sounds slightly shady it's because you are capable of logic reasoning. |
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Post by Tonka (π,πͺ€) on Dec 15, 2021 14:34:25 GMT
But it's time to forget about NFTs and focus on Web3. It was always about Web3.
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Post by gamingdave on Dec 15, 2021 16:08:11 GMT
I'm looking forward to Web4, where Flash makes a comeback, and I can sell my old experiments for billions.
That's partly what I find laughable about nearly every NFT I have seen. The BAYC images are a 631px jpg, you don't even get an SVG, it's a shitty low res jpg. That's going to look great as a texture in the "metaverse" once we have higher res displays.
If these had come out 10 years ago people would have had collections of .swf files they can no longer play. 10 years before that and we would have been looking at 208*128 .rm files running at 12fps with mono audio.
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Post by Dgzter on Dec 15, 2021 17:11:35 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Dec 15, 2021 17:20:10 GMT
That just makes me want to not play it even though it'll be on GP.
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