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Post by 😎 on Mar 28, 2024 16:30:53 GMT
25 years for Sam Bankman-Fried then.
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Post by Danno on Mar 28, 2024 16:34:50 GMT
Seems fortunate, wasn't the prosecution asking for 80? And Madoff got 150 (although barely anything could be recovered in that scam)
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Post by jimnastics on Mar 28, 2024 16:47:14 GMT
Spoke to a friend recently who has non-life changing but still a depressing amount of crypto/money tied up in the FTX bankruptcy, he's active in various creditor committees and whatnot. The consensus now is that creditors will get 90-100% of their claims paid out at some point, though it will be at dollar value as of Nov 2022. So considering btc, eth and various others have 2x since then, anyone who held crypto on the exchange when shit hit the fan (like him) will still be 50% out of pocket assuming crypto stays at current levels or above, but fuck it, that would be a hell of a result considering how it was looking earlier this year. Large claims are now trading at 50% which suggests big money buyers are confident of close to 100% recovery, as they generally look for a 2x return. One big factor is SBF invested $500m of creditors stolen money into Anthropic, a stake which is now worth approx $2b and rising and is held by the estate. The Debtors also seem to have done a decent job of untangling a web of assets, crypto and holdings and bringing it all in, I gather right now the estate is likely solvent with regards to creditor claims, the problem at the moment is it's mostly illiquid with only a relatively small % in cash and liquid crypto, but at least it's there and will get sorted. One interesting thing he mentioned is that there are currently 3 major bidders (to be revealed in December, I believe) to take over the FTX brand and relaunch the exchange, with creditors possibly being given equity in some form of token. This brings into play potential recovery for creditors going over 100%, as they esentially are part-owners of the exchange. Seems a hell of a stretch to me to think anyone would come back to an FTX branded exchange even under completely different management, purely because of damage to the brand. But he made 2 decent points - 1) the relaunched exchanged could be the first and only crypto exchange to have full proof of reserves and a legitimate regulated custodian and 2) you've got millions of creditors, now equity holders, who are massively incentivised to make it a success. It's kind of fascinating to me hear from inside the bankruptcy, when the belief in the general public is that everyone lost all their money. That aint's the case. Looking like creditors will now get 110-140% back of account USD value at petition date, depending on fiat/crypto ratio held on account. Large claims are selling now for 90%+ which is kinda nuts when you think they were selling for 10% in the months straight after the collapse (those early large claims buyers are about to make a fortune on their punts). FTX2.0 got nerfed by the Debtors, creditor committees calling foul play on that, apparently shady goings on with the Debtors and their buddies (https://www.ft.com/content/ea70fa4e-3f63-422c-8f6e-142a6cac62b0). A group of large creditors have filed adversory proceedings (big boy shit) against the Debtors to argue for damages for their lost value in crypto, to go on top of the 110-140%. Next few months will be interesting on that front!
25 years seems somewhat lenient I guess, but the impression I get from my buddy is that most creditors have moved on from the side of the whole thing. Sullivan and Cromwell (the laywers running the bankruptcy) are the new enemy.
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Post by sport✅ on Mar 28, 2024 17:39:41 GMT
25 years for Sam Bankman-Fried then. Shit, one of the good ones.
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Post by gamecat on Mar 28, 2024 18:16:39 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 28, 2024 19:40:40 GMT
The lesson here is that if you fuck over ordinary people then it's a slap on the wrist for you. Fuck over rich people and they want blood and they get it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 28, 2024 21:07:48 GMT
The way they justify these sentences is that he’s not just stolen a million dollars, he’s stolen a dollar from a million people.
He’s ruined the lives of thousands of average joes which is why you get so fucked on fraud on this scale. It’s not just millionaires but normal people losing their savings. And, yeah, I get it. The actual reach of the crime is enormous.
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Post by Resident Knievel on May 15, 2024 9:38:40 GMT
Gamestop skyrocketing to near its highs in two days based off a twitter post.
Feels like a bad sign.
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Post by smoothpete on Sept 6, 2024 9:23:59 GMT
I'm just hearing about a hilarious situation that a bunch of absolute idiots in the US have gotten themselves into. The Chase Bank infinite money glitch (spoiler: it's not a glitch, it's cheque fraud) So some bellend noticed that when they paid a cheque into their account via an ATM, the funds were immediately available for withdrawal (ie, before the cheque had cleared). An element of this is built into US law anyway but in this case the entirety of the cheque value was in the account. So, they posted this all over tiktok and it went viral. It goes like this: Write yourself a (fake) cheque for $30K. Money immediately available, withdraw it all, spend it on cocaine and whores. Cheque bounces. BUT you've got your free money!!!! Except you don't do you because once the cheque bounces your bank balance is now negative $30K, and you've committed fraud and you're fucked. Apologies for Daily Mail link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13802991/TikTokers-Chase-bank-glitch.htmlSo fucking funny. How stupid do you have to be?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 6, 2024 9:36:51 GMT
I know the US banking industry is very behind the times, but I'm surprised any TikTokers even know what a cheque is, let alone have a chequebook!?!
[edit] Although, based on the dumb idea, maybe the problem is that they *don't* know what a cheque is. Still, I haven't even seen a chequebook in 25 years...
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Post by brokenkey on Sept 6, 2024 9:40:34 GMT
They should have gone for a much bigger number. Something you could take offshore to a country with no extradition treaty.
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Post by jimnastics on Sept 6, 2024 10:07:11 GMT
I know the US banking industry is very behind the times, but I'm surprised any TikTokers even know what a cheque is, let alone have a chequebook!?! [edit] Although, based on the dumb idea, maybe the problem is that they *don't* know what a cheque is. Still, I haven't even seen a chequebook in 25 years... In the FTX bankruptcy, one of the massive sticking points of the Debtors first plan was that they were going to pay all creditors by cheque, with no other option. They were literally going to send millions of cheques around the world. Apparently most US creditors were ok with this because the US banking system is so fucking archaic and many still use cheques regularly, but you can imagine how it went down with the hundreds of thousands of international creditors. Thankfully it now looks like bank transfers are being put in the plan as an option.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 6, 2024 10:19:37 GMT
thank you! *archaic* That was the word I was looking for!
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 6, 2024 10:44:22 GMT
Boringly, these fuckwits may have blown a nation state level compromise. When you hack a bank you have a few objectives but one of the main ones is to disable checks and balances between the ATM and the user account. It’s not inconceivable that someone fucked up and pushed something live that circumvents account reconciliation but this kind of thing is also a primary objective www.theverge.com/2013/5/13/4326336/cyber-caper-behind-the-scenes-of-the-45-million-atm-heist
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Post by peekconfusion on Sept 6, 2024 12:49:57 GMT
I'm just hearing about a hilarious situation that a bunch of absolute idiots in the US have gotten themselves into. The Chase Bank infinite money glitch (spoiler: it's not a glitch, it's cheque fraud) So some bellend noticed that when they paid a cheque into their account via an ATM, the funds were immediately available for withdrawal (ie, before the cheque had cleared). An element of this is built into US law anyway but in this case the entirety of the cheque value was in the account. So, they posted this all over tiktok and it went viral. It goes like this: Write yourself a (fake) cheque for $30K. Money immediately available, withdraw it all, spend it on cocaine and whores. Cheque bounces. BUT you've got your free money!!!! Except you don't do you because once the cheque bounces your bank balance is now negative $30K, and you've committed fraud and you're fucked. Apologies for Daily Mail link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13802991/TikTokers-Chase-bank-glitch.htmlSo fucking funny. How stupid do you have to be? Well, those comments were surprisingly sensible for a Fail article. ....not
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Post by cubby on Sept 6, 2024 15:48:44 GMT
Isn't that the plot of Blank Check?
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Post by PatrickEwing on Nov 11, 2024 11:12:45 GMT
Bonkers, in it for the ride though!
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Post by dfunked on Nov 11, 2024 11:18:25 GMT
I've still got a bit left from my mining days so decided to sell some a couple of weeks ago (stayed below the CGT as I can't be arsed with the paperwork) Marvelous bit of timing!
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Post by PatrickEwing on Nov 11, 2024 11:33:22 GMT
Yup similar thinking here, I'm thinking of selling now to keep below CGT too and just buying crypto influenced stocks and EFT's in my trading ISA
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