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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 19, 2023 12:49:32 GMT
Campfire chat on Friday, no? You could wait and see if they discuss reducing the nerfs and on which classes before you make a decision, presumably quadfather crashV👀d👀 |
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 19, 2023 12:54:16 GMT
In the meantime...
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/153ozvb/diablo_4_just_went_down_to_49_on_metacritic/
Was at around 9.0 before, apparently
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 12:56:22 GMT
I'll log in now and have a shufty. Last day to do it anyway
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 19, 2023 13:01:25 GMT
So, when season 1 drops are our current characters mostly considered worthless? I assume you can still play them, but is the expectation you won't be playing non-season characters?
I've still a shit ton of stuff I could do with this character (not even got the paragon boards yet).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 19, 2023 13:19:32 GMT
Not technically worthless as you're still closer to getting the global stuff (fog of war and altars) than you are with a brand new char unless you already have them.
Anything else though all the new fun stuff(?!?!) is in the season so why play the in the none fun garden
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Post by Phattso on Jul 19, 2023 13:24:54 GMT
They just made all the fog of war and Altar stuff account global rather than realm global as well, didn't they? Glad I spent my time in the game since Sunday working on Renown then. Fuckers.
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 14:02:11 GMT
Just using fractured peaks as an example, I had 26 Altars to find. Using a map, that took about half hour. No fighting, just pinning the next loc on the map.
So just another 120 Altars for the other regions and I should be done
This is fun, right?
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Post by dfunked on Jul 19, 2023 14:08:57 GMT
Yeah, alters are really not fun. I had to split them across three evenings IIRC as it was just getting too tedious.
Finding a group to grind different dungeons for renown was pretty fun. Would've been pretty dull doing each one by myself.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 19, 2023 14:11:42 GMT
Nobody is forcing y'all to do it? Surely that's why there are all those quests and dungeons. If you also don't find them fun, then you're probably in the wrong game.  That's how I've mainly attacked Renown anyways - quests and dungeons, and ideally both at the same time. |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 14:16:04 GMT
I just want to get the Altars to make the next character have at least a *slight* edge, even if its only for a bit
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Post by Phattso on Jul 19, 2023 14:28:24 GMT
Sure - but if it's boring and you hate it enough to gripe about it maybe it's not worth it.  Also: as I posted above, I think in the patch notes that's all account wide now. So collect on one, get on the others, so no great rush right? |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 14:52:21 GMT
It's because I've started it now and my brain won't let me stop! It's not that bad really, now I've done one region. I'm about half way through scosglen now too.
Must admit, it's great for accumulative stat boosts
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 19, 2023 14:52:39 GMT
You can easily pick up the altars where you left off in the season. As I posted earlier, they've devalued their worth somewhat so it's not like everybody gets a massive head start now. Couple of enemies and you hit level 3 quickly anyway
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Post by askew on Jul 19, 2023 15:50:15 GMT
Woo. Just finished Act 5 and dinged 50. Just in time to have to do it all again  |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 16:11:31 GMT
You can easily pick up the altars where you left off in the season. As I posted earlier, they've devalued their worth somewhat so it's not like everybody gets a massive head start now. Couple of enemies and you hit level 3 quickly anyway Yeah, true. I think I just wanted something to do for an hour or so. Done 2 regions now anyway |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 16:14:02 GMT
Wasn't doing that much fighting but I have been for the last half hour and my rogue still seems OK after the patch.
Although those motherfuckers in the lighthouse area at the top of scosglen instakilled me 3 times till I could whittle the bastards down.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 19, 2023 16:17:35 GMT
Wasn't doing that much fighting but I have been for the last half hour and my rogue still seems OK after the patch. Although those motherfuckers in the lighthouse area at the top of scosglen instakilled me 3 times till I could whittle the bastards down. That one was bastard hard for my Necromancer, too. Every time it was a confined area (like the grounded ships) the cluster of Elites would one-shot all my minions and I'd have nowhere to run. Probably the most tentative I've had to be in the entire game so far! Edging forward and letting Damage Over Time spells do their thang! It was almost enough for me to swap Skeletons for the Golem. Almost. |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 16:32:37 GMT
Bloody hard isn't it? I didn't clock what their abilities were either but I was going down like a sack of shit till I could space out a bit.
I did manage a bit of respite by setting the second winch off, then immediately back off to the bottom left of the ship and I cleared some minor mobs out. Then legged it and traversed past the hard bastards into the next little island and turned round and finished off the other minions.
Then I just thought, what the hell and ran past them up to the boss now it was opened up. So I just left the twats there till i could claim the whole place as an outpost
Done!
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Post by Phattso on Jul 19, 2023 16:36:57 GMT
So you cheated. I HOPE YOU'RE PROUD OF YOURSELF! Actually most of my time in D1 and D2 was spent running the fuck past entire levels worth of baddies to get to the objective, so it was a nice reminder of where the game has come from. |
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 16:40:26 GMT
I USED THE TERRAIN TO MY ADVANTAGE!! But yeah, it also reminded me slightly of my badly timed meph runs in the past |
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Post by blankoblank on Jul 19, 2023 17:10:19 GMT
It was almost enough for me to swap Skeletons for the Golem. Almost. Wait... is doubling up with skeletons AND a golem playing it wrong then? I honestly have no idea I'm just bumbling around with a big army of folk assuming I'm doing it right. |
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Post by Phattso on Jul 19, 2023 17:32:17 GMT
Not at all. But I’d miss that extra spell slot.
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Post by Warrender on Jul 19, 2023 18:30:55 GMT
Not at all. But I’d miss that extra spell slot. Same. Ditched Golem and don't really miss the big guy. They really should put his activate button on the Raise Dead spell. |
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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 19, 2023 18:47:01 GMT
I’ve ditched all my minions, they annoyed me! Full on exploding corpse babe now.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 19, 2023 19:01:52 GMT
This reminds me how annoying I found the limited spell slots. I assume the thinking is to force you to choose and to specialise, but i found I regularly had many spells available to me from items that just went ignored.
Also, I think the fact that spells only allowed you to put 5 points into them made the problem worse. In D2, where you could just keep pumping points into a single spell, you were encouraged to specialise, but still had the option to diversify if you wish. Here, I feel encouraged to spread points out by the limit and then unable to actually use all those spells.
I guess they have a few passive ones to spend points on instead and that is where I ended up putting points in later levels, but passive spells are blah.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 19, 2023 19:24:46 GMT
The more I think about this patch the more it flies in the face if their last promise of wanting the player to feel like a god in power terms and just done nerfed the fuck out of builds/classes that needed the buffs. The whole point of Diablo is making crazy builds and they're just cutting off that entirely. It's bullshit and is up there with the shite that was D3 before the expansion.
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Post by zagibu on Jul 19, 2023 19:32:18 GMT
Diablo is about builds? All diablos have a mere handful of viable builds. It's very much not about buildy, but about hunting items. Which are shit in D4.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 19, 2023 19:43:20 GMT
I disagree, hunting items allows you to chase builds and there are some builds that shouldn't work but do.
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 19:56:40 GMT
Yeah it definitely feels like a jack of all trades with this one. Bit of power from paragon. Bit from loot. Bit from specialising.
But there doesn't appear to be a, "hah, fuck you, check *this* out" aspect
It's still great and it's diablo, but the more I play it, the more I miss d2. And d1 for that matter.
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Post by quadfather on Jul 19, 2023 19:57:24 GMT
But what the fuck do I know
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