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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 19, 2023 22:26:48 GMT
Finally completed the campaign. Looking forward to seeing what pops off 2mo.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 19, 2023 22:44:40 GMT
In the meantime... https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/153ozvb/diablo_4_just_went_down_to_49_on_metacritic/ Was at around 9.0 before, apparently 3.5 on PC now. 3.3 on PS5 as well, and hovering around 5 on the other platforms (but with much fewer reviews) I mean, I know user review numbers aren't necessarily the most reliable metric, but damn.
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Post by blankoblank on Jul 19, 2023 22:46:21 GMT
This reminds me how annoying I found the limited spell slots. I assume the thinking is to force you to choose and to specialise, but i found I regularly had many spells available to me from items that just went ignored. Also, I think the fact that spells only allowed you to put 5 points into them made the problem worse. In D2, where you could just keep pumping points into a single spell, you were encouraged to specialise, but still had the option to diversify if you wish. Here, I feel encouraged to spread points out by the limit and then unable to actually use all those spells. I guess they have a few passive ones to spend points on instead and that is where I ended up putting points in later levels, but passive spells are blah. Limited spell slots could also be a limitation of needing a control system which works well on controller as well as keyboard.
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Post by Danno on Jul 19, 2023 22:49:46 GMT
This reminds me how annoying I found the limited spell slots. I assume the thinking is to force you to choose and to specialise, but i found I regularly had many spells available to me from items that just went ignored. Also, I think the fact that spells only allowed you to put 5 points into them made the problem worse. In D2, where you could just keep pumping points into a single spell, you were encouraged to specialise, but still had the option to diversify if you wish. Here, I feel encouraged to spread points out by the limit and then unable to actually use all those spells. I guess they have a few passive ones to spend points on instead and that is where I ended up putting points in later levels, but passive spells are blah. Limited spell slots could also be a limitation of needing a control system which works well on controller as well as keyboard. I think it's a bit of a series hangover, you can easily use a trigger to switch to another palette of skills, either temporarily or as a toggle. FFXIV makes very good use of this - albeit the action is a little slower. If this was applied to Diablo then most would learn to keep all the emergency skills available at all times on the same button while cycling or toggling through others. It's a game with a rhythm, it would be easy to tweak it in terms of the controls to accommodate a few more skills.
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Post by blankoblank on Jul 19, 2023 22:56:59 GMT
Limited spell slots could also be a limitation of needing a control system which works well on controller as well as keyboard. I think it's a bit of a series hangover, you can easily use a trigger to switch to another palette of skills, either temporarily or as a toggle. FFXIV makes very good use of this - albeit the action is a little slower. If this was applied to Diablo then most would learn to keep all the emergency skills available at all times on the same button while cycling or toggling through others. It's a game with a rhythm, it would be easy to tweak it in terms of the controls to accommodate a few more skills. I was working on an ARPG at one point and I recall the UX designers baulking at the idea of paletted skills due to accessibility issues so I figured it might be a similar situation but if it's always been the case probably just a hangover I guess.
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Post by quadfather on Jul 20, 2023 0:32:16 GMT
Anyone rolled a season character yet?
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jul 20, 2023 0:51:17 GMT
I’m on holiday so I can’t. I’ll see how the shitshow has settled down once I get back and then decide if I’m in or if I’m out. Currently I’m feeling this is an opportunity for an out.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 20, 2023 2:28:10 GMT
I'll get in once the update downloads. For whatever reason things on Battle.Net download reeeeaaaally slowly for me, as compared to Steam or basically anything else.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 20, 2023 2:32:14 GMT
That said, I'm probably going to be exclusively on BG3 in a couple of weeks, so maybe I'll just come back in a few months when all the drama has died down.
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Post by ned on Jul 20, 2023 5:25:42 GMT
It’s not live on EU yet. Probably won’t be until US time.
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Post by askew on Jul 20, 2023 5:30:40 GMT
Hmm. I thought the Battle.net client suggested maintenance between 2200 — 0400 UTC
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Post by ned on Jul 20, 2023 5:54:10 GMT
Appears to be 7pm tonight in EU sadly
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Post by askew on Jul 20, 2023 7:05:29 GMT
Ah, so we weren’t going to awaken to the new season. My mistake. Means I could finish the campaign in time!
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Post by dfunked on Jul 20, 2023 7:09:05 GMT
Yeah, battle.net launcher suggested it launches at 18:00 bst.
I'll definitely be waiting for feedback. It's kind of nice not having a live service game in my life in fairness though. Variety is the spice of life, but if I've got one of these on the go it's typically all I'll play.
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Post by f00b_inc on Jul 20, 2023 7:23:08 GMT
I think since I'm still trying to finish the campaign I clearly don't know enough to be too bothered by the changes. I can say that with a brother living abroad we have been hopping online to do some coop over the past week and it's been great mindless fun killing mobs and having a chat through the PS5 controllers! With more limited time as we get older the pick up and play aspect has been working really well to live out childhood D2 days all over again!
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 20, 2023 7:23:43 GMT
I played a few hours last night, both to just do a log in and globalise my progress but also to test stuff and adjust back from the grim dawn keybinds.
My sorc is feeling the CDR changes for sure. I've subconsciousky got used to the timings as part of my rotations and i just kept getting locked out as my skills were all on cooldown. Kinda numbing really as very thing I did was tweaking for fast play and this was forcing me to slow down between packs.
Completed some challenges as well, got the endangered species one. Had to Google that cos I'd never have found that 'oss. I also checked off the world boss one as ashava finally showed up. I still don't have this bloody challenge for whispers with an amulet. I've opened loads of caches but never had an amulet option or an amulet drop from the chaos cache. It's a fix I tells ya
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Post by dfunked on Jul 20, 2023 7:27:20 GMT
They're walking back the WT level requirements already which is presumably just a simple server side fix. Curious to see how much more they'll cave in on too.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 20, 2023 8:00:03 GMT
I think it's a bit of a series hangover, you can easily use a trigger to switch to another palette of skills, either temporarily or as a toggle. FFXIV makes very good use of this - albeit the action is a little slower. If this was applied to Diablo then most would learn to keep all the emergency skills available at all times on the same button while cycling or toggling through others. It's a game with a rhythm, it would be easy to tweak it in terms of the controls to accommodate a few more skills. I was working on an ARPG at one point and I recall the UX designers baulking at the idea of paletted skills due to accessibility issues so I figured it might be a similar situation but if it's always been the case probably just a hangover I guess. It's not always been the case; in D2, by default, you could use the F keys up to 8 to select abilities to be assigned to your mouse buttons (so, you might have F1-4 for skills to go on your left mouse and F5-8 for skills on your right mouse). If that wasn't enough for you, you could assign additional hotkeys to have the same function. I expect the move to a controller encouraged them to restrict the number of spells available to you at a given time (I assume D3 is the same as D4 - I've not played it). There are ways around it to allow more, but they likely won't be very elegant or require slowdown as you are switching or things like that, which might change the flow that the devs are going for. As I say though, D2 also encouraged you to specialise by allowing you to pump as many points as you wanted into an individual skill. You could end up with a dozen skills available to you (which could all be being used), but you likely aren't going to be a very effective character. It was far better way of getting the player to specialise, but without removing the option of having a big pool of abilities if they want.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 20, 2023 8:13:41 GMT
D3 dumbed it down long before controllers were a concern in fairness. By default it only let you select one skill from each category too unless you enabled a setting hidden away in the options.
I don't mind 6 skills personally, although maybe I'm the kind of player they dumbed it down for in the first place...
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 20, 2023 8:43:34 GMT
PoE on console (has a load of other UI problems which I'm ignoring here) has palette based skills cos you can have a lot of them. 4 face buttons for skills but hold a trigger and you have 4 more more slots available.
It actually works quite well and you get used to it very quickly. A follow up to that is they have some skills that are permanent that are toggled on or off that reserve resource from your pool so you put those in the secondary and tertiary palettes as you don't need use them as often, sadly D4 is not setup like that (yet).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 20, 2023 11:36:52 GMT
Wonder how everybody will feel in a week or two time when they're no longer playing their eternal character.
These patch changes are a nerf but it's relative to their current position with their current character which everybody is using a yardstick to measure the before and after. The people that never jump into seasonal are the ones that are worse off.
Everybody else will create a new character and suddenly you're just grinding the game again. Unless you build the same character in exactly the same way with the same gear and stats AND also remember how it felt at that same point in time previously then it's highly unlikely you're going to notice anything different apart from it maybe taking longer than you remembered
the one definte thing that you will feel is the extra 2 seconds to leave a dungeon. Man that sucks balls. Maybe theyre making it a stat or buff that you now have to find. This new elixr, essence or stat is instant portal
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Post by Phattso on Jul 20, 2023 12:04:01 GMT
I really don't get the uproar at the extra two seconds? I mainly just teleport off to somewhere to hand in quests or whatever so it's not as though I'm in a rush to get there?
Equally I don't know what the extra two seconds are there for? Do they have analytics that say people suddenly go "Oh, shit! Didn't mean to do that!" and traipse back to the dungeon? It's an odd one.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 20, 2023 12:19:15 GMT
It's so you can't teleport away from the Butcher
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Post by Danno on Jul 20, 2023 12:32:01 GMT
It's so you can't teleport away from the Butcher You can't get three seconds of space from the bastard
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Post by askew on Jul 20, 2023 13:39:11 GMT
Downtime in 20 mins. I’m on the penultimate part of Act 6. Hmm.
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Post by magicpanda on Jul 20, 2023 14:08:09 GMT
I really don't get the uproar at the extra two seconds? I mainly just teleport off to somewhere to hand in quests or whatever so it's not as though I'm in a rush to get there? Equally I don't know what the extra two seconds are there for? Do they have analytics that say people suddenly go "Oh, shit! Didn't mean to do that!" and traipse back to the dungeon? It's an odd one. My guess is some kind of exploit prevention or just to consolidate something behind the scenes. The uproar over the whole patch is just bizarre to me, people are frothing at the mouth, never seen anything like it
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Post by askew on Jul 20, 2023 14:50:13 GMT
Downtime in 20 mins. I’m on the penultimate part of Act 6. Hmm. Finished!(?).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jul 20, 2023 14:50:54 GMT
Downtime in 20 mins. I’m on the penultimate part of Act 6. Hmm. You can still complete it when it comes back up on eternal. Do that first and then start seasonal so you can jump in and skip campaign (assuming that's what you want obvs)
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Post by ned on Jul 20, 2023 17:22:58 GMT
I miss how easy it was to switch skills and runs from D3.
I enjoyed mixing it up or being able to easy change a build based on what legendaries I got.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jul 20, 2023 18:33:40 GMT
Well I can’t get in to seasonal or normal. Oh well
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