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Post by unrealkilla on Jun 21, 2022 9:43:20 GMT
Worth remembering that there are trans/gender-diverse people on here, IIRC. Like who? There aren't any women on here (barely), or men who identify as women or even any uphill gardeners (now Mr Tom has gone), unless you count Sport. We're about as diverse as an episode of Downton Abbey. If we tried painting a rainbow flag, we'd do it in like one colour. Starting a debate to gatekeep and then realising you don't have any diversity to represent or gatekeep 😂🤦 Just give it a rest, eh? |
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Post by snackplissken on Jun 21, 2022 9:46:59 GMT
It's interesting that a lot of guys on here are getting hot under the collar about this subject, when I don't see the same level of anger for disabled people who have been treated as second class citizens for a lot longer. You only have to look at the recent airport staff shortages when disabled people are being left on planes.
Let's get a thread going. Get some anger out middle aged men!
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Post by kal on Jun 21, 2022 9:47:14 GMT
Worth remembering that there are trans/gender-diverse people on here, IIRC. Like who? There aren't any women on here (barely), or men who identify as women or even any uphill gardeners (now Mr Tom has gone), unless you count Sport. We're about as diverse as an episode of Downton Abbey. If we tried painting a rainbow flag, we'd do it in like one colour. Starting a debate to gatekeep and then realising you don't have any diversity to represent or gatekeep 😂🤦 Just give it a rest, eh? There definitely is at least one openly trans person here, and who knows how many more who haven’t chosen declare themselves as such. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2022 9:48:48 GMT
And, if they made it across from EG, quite a few gay-mers.
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Post by kal on Jun 21, 2022 9:53:33 GMT
It's interesting that a lot of guys on here are getting hot under the collar about this subject, when I don't see the same level of anger for disabled people who have been treated as second class citizens for a lot longer. You only have to look at the recent airport staff shortages when disabled people are being left on planes. Let's get a thread going. Get some anger out middle aged men! You lost me a bit here. Feels like whataboutery but perhaps I’m just not following your point. |
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Post by dogbot on Jun 21, 2022 9:56:54 GMT
Aww, your little troll was going so well until this. You even had a load of buzzwords and everything. Shame. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2022 9:57:23 GMT
Unless I missed it, nobody is drawing up rules to exclude disabled people from everyday life or allowing quack doctors to try and convince them they are fully abled.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 21, 2022 10:01:50 GMT
Just had to Google what an “uphill gardener” is.
Oh heavens!
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Post by Lukus on Jun 21, 2022 10:13:20 GMT
Unless I missed it, nobody is drawing up rules to exclude disabled people from everyday life or allowing quack doctors to try and convince them they are fully abled. No, it's pure whataboutery, but disabled people are still treated like shit by society. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jun 21, 2022 10:19:30 GMT
With any situation I think you need to weigh up the degree to which group is impacted and try and make the most appropriate and obtainable response.
Women's sports have been ridiculed, underfunded and dismissed for decades. Now there is some parity (or close to it) in some sports such as tennis, golf and athletics.
Being dismissive of sports impact socially and culturally across the planet for hundreds of years is naive. There's plenty of things that don't interest me but I accept to others they are the most important thing in their life.
Is the number of Trans athletes a tiny proportion of those competing? Of course but to simply say it's only a couple of records or only 1 or 2 events isn't a solution. It's dismissive.
This is the same audience who descend into an apoplectic rage if a prem team overspends or breaks the rules on transfer budgets. There are rules in sports, weight classes, age groups, etc to try and make the specific event as fair as possible. Pretending those are not important isn't helpful to anyone.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 21, 2022 10:21:41 GMT
Unless I missed it, nobody is drawing up rules to exclude disabled people from everyday life or allowing quack doctors to try and convince them they are fully abled. No, it's pure whataboutery, but disabled people are still treated like shit by society. They are but, like every argument like this, its possible to care about two things at once despite one having a higher profile. Its very 'white lives matter'. |
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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2022 10:34:22 GMT
Aww, your little troll was going so well until this. You even had a load of buzzwords and everything. Shame. Indeed. Not acceptable. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 21, 2022 10:44:18 GMT
I only twigged on that comment, nice to see users being openly homophobic. unrealkillaYou're a cunt |
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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2022 10:53:04 GMT
He's gone, not having that at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 10:53:12 GMT
Ahhh, I can guess what that means.
Threads like this always bring out the best in people don't they.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 21, 2022 10:59:22 GMT
Of course it's proper red meat. It's interesting how it easily it came out for him to write
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 21, 2022 11:02:10 GMT
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 21, 2022 11:02:12 GMT
I've not followed the subject closely as I have no money in this fight. But I've definitely heard on the news about trans athletes winning cycling, swimming, fighting and weightlifting events. I'm pretty sure I heard that one trans cage fighter caved a woman's skull in in two minutes or something. Is none of this true then?
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Post by Lukus on Jun 21, 2022 11:02:53 GMT
No, it's pure whataboutery, but disabled people are still treated like shit by society. They are but, like every argument like this, its possible to care about two things at once despite one having a higher profile. Its very 'white lives matter'. Oh I agree. Not sure what point I was making really. Other than people are cunts. |
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 21, 2022 11:04:32 GMT
Worth remembering that there are trans/gender-diverse people on here, IIRC. Like who? There aren't any women on here (barely), or men who identify as women or even any uphill gardeners (now Mr Tom has gone), unless you count Sport. We're about as diverse as an episode of Downton Abbey. If we tried painting a rainbow flag, we'd do it in like one colour. Starting a debate to gatekeep and then realising you don't have any diversity to represent or gatekeep 😂🤦 Just give it a rest, eh? Not sure how on earth you know how diverse people here are tbh Not sure what that has to do with not being a bigot though. As for your homophobic comment, it was the jokey norm 20-odd years ago but civilised society has moved on and it's offensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 11:05:13 GMT
Of course it's proper red meat. It's interesting how it easily it came out for him to write He must have went out and bought the rest of the books in the set from the publisher of the racism one. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 21, 2022 11:05:24 GMT
I think it was offensive in the year 2000 too.
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 21, 2022 11:06:29 GMT
I think it was offensive in the year 2000 too. I'm old, I have no perception of time anymore. |
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Post by suicida on Jun 21, 2022 11:15:08 GMT
I think, THINK, this thread can only go well and will be a resounding success. Thread results in a user banned within 4 pages. Check out Nostradamus in the house. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 21, 2022 11:15:39 GMT
I've not followed the subject closely as I have no money in this fight. But I've definitely heard on the news about trans athletes winning cycling, swimming, fighting and weightlifting events. I'm pretty sure I heard that one trans cage fighter caved a woman's skull in in two minutes or something. Is none of this true then? Yes, some trans women have won some events. But the margins of victory have not been anomalies. No trans athlete has been absolutely dominating. The swimmer you mentioned also competed in other events and finished down in the pack, not even on the podium. And the event she did win wasn't record breaking. If she competes in the Men's "open" event as proposed, her times would be last place and non-competetive. It's worth mentioning her times in the men's events, pre-transition, were competitive. Her performance has dropped since transitioning. If trans athletes were turning up and breaking records consistently and winning every event by a huge margin, I'd think maybe that is an issue but that's simply not what is happening. |
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Post by aubergine on Jun 21, 2022 11:19:13 GMT
I've not followed the subject closely as I have no money in this fight. But I've definitely heard on the news about trans athletes winning cycling, swimming, fighting and weightlifting events. I'm pretty sure I heard that one trans cage fighter caved a woman's skull in in two minutes or something. Is none of this true then? “Trans people can compete so long as they never win!” |
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Post by mothercruncher on Jun 21, 2022 11:40:10 GMT
Like who? There aren't any women on here (barely), or men who identify as women or even any uphill gardeners (now Mr Tom has gone), unless you count Sport. We're about as diverse as an episode of Downton Abbey. If we tried painting a rainbow flag, we'd do it in like one colour. Starting a debate to gatekeep and then realising you don't have any diversity to represent or gatekeep 😂🤦 Just give it a rest, eh? There definitely is at least one openly trans person here, and who knows how many more who haven’t chosen declare themselves as such. I really wonder why 🙄 |
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 21, 2022 11:45:07 GMT
International Rugby League now banning trans women from competing in the Womens tournament. All sporting bodies falling in line with this now
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 21, 2022 11:49:01 GMT
I can understand being a little more cautious with contact sports like rugby. Obviously there is more of worry about injury in those sports.
For sports like swimming though, it seems churlish unless you have actual evidence to back up the claims that it is going to cause a problem. The evidence so far, from what I've seen, seems to suggest it won't.
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Post by nazo on Jun 21, 2022 11:49:33 GMT
Her performance has dropped since transitioning. According to the video Razz posted, trans women lose about 5% of muscle after transitioning so you'd expect some loss of performance. Trans males on the other hand gain 15% so there's a big discrepancy in the effects. There's about a 10% performance gap between men and women swimming at the same level so you're not going to get someone going from zero to dominating by transitioning but it could be the difference between being good and great.
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