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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Jun 20, 2022 19:56:50 GMT
So it seems we have had a moment of sanity in this fucked up world, in case it's not obvious I fully support the banning of transgenders partaking in 'same sex' sports in the way they have proposed (ie by age 12 I think) fuck me I'm not sure I even know how to describe the scenario. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/swimming/61853450.ampI hope other sports follow suit. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 20:02:36 GMT
I think, THINK, this thread can only go well and will be a resounding success.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 20, 2022 20:06:53 GMT
Are we putting in bets yet for how long before the thread is locked? Pretty certain it is before the evening is out.
(On topic, seems pointlessly antagonistic towards transpeople and only going to continue fueling this dumb culture war.)
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Post by geefe on Jun 20, 2022 20:09:40 GMT
Oh ffs. Now we can't have an actual debate on the issue, thanks a lot.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2022 20:28:45 GMT
Call me optimistic, but I have the weirdest feeling our Fred was a wee bit tongue in cheek there
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 20, 2022 20:29:57 GMT
Call me optimistic, but I have the weirdest feeling our Fred was a wee bit tongue in cheek there
I, erm... hope so.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 20, 2022 20:36:09 GMT
Virtually nobody transitions by 12. It’s such a pathetic get out clause
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 20, 2022 20:36:29 GMT
Call me optimistic, but I have the weirdest feeling our Fred was a wee bit tongue in cheek there I don't know, all the bacteria he's consumed recently might have rotted his brain. |
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 20, 2022 20:43:46 GMT
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Post by simple on Jun 20, 2022 20:45:50 GMT
Genuine question because I don’t fully know the ins and outs of it.
So the main objection is that someone who has gone through male puberty then transitioned male>female is on average more likely to be physically stronger than a cis woman. But now that puberty blockers are a reasonably common thing where does that leave male>female transitioned people in terms of sport because they presumably won’t have this perceived advantage?
Also, is there any conversation about female>male transitioned people wanting to compete in male sports? Obviously at the elite level its probably not got the same competitive objection but is that the only question that needs asking?
On balance, instinctively, I think transpeople should be allowed compete alongside the gender they’ve transitioned into but I’ll admit I’ve not paid a huge amount of attention to the debate because social media is very bad at it.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jun 20, 2022 20:52:34 GMT
There's all sorts of factors. Bone density, height, muscle development that give advantages that drugs can't reverse safely.
You have to weigh up the impact on individuals vs the integrity of the events/sports.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Jun 20, 2022 20:53:25 GMT
It's not just Seb Coe though it seems pretty obvious to me, Sharon Davis has long since supported this amongst others, I don't understand the logic in not supporting it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 20, 2022 20:59:05 GMT
Because the instances are so rare in ‘elite’ sport they may as well be banning unicorns from competing.
It’s really just capitulating to and furthering the anti-trans rhetoric the media seems absolutely determined to push on us.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jun 20, 2022 21:01:21 GMT
I’m surprised any athletes want a ban as it gives them a perfect “I would have got gold if it hadn’t been for those meddling pesky transgenders” excuse to whine about whenever they fuck up.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Jun 20, 2022 21:02:03 GMT
I think people need to read a bit more about the history of transgenders in swimming.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 21:03:13 GMT
Call me optimistic, but I have the weirdest feeling our Fred was a wee bit tongue in cheek there Narrator: Unfortunately, Danno was wrong. |
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jun 20, 2022 21:04:15 GMT
I think people need to read a bit more about the history of transgenders in swimming. I heard they attract sharks. |
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2022 21:04:27 GMT
Call me optimistic, but I have the weirdest feeling our Fred was a wee bit tongue in cheek there Narrator: Unfortunately, Danno was wrong. 🤨 Quite, quite wrong |
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Post by hedben on Jun 20, 2022 21:04:38 GMT
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 20, 2022 21:06:21 GMT
Should ban all tomboys/ big handed people/small eared/small breasted/large feeted swimmers as they have a natural advantage.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 20, 2022 21:07:15 GMT
I think people need to read a bit more about the history of transgenders in swimming. Link us up, then. Let's have some empirical evidence to back up your position... It's cute that you seem to genuinely believe that this Conservative government is doing this because they care about the integrity of sports, though. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jun 20, 2022 21:07:37 GMT
Yep that's the same thing.
There's a whiff of "those pesky women and their sports" to the dismissiveness of the topic.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 20, 2022 21:08:27 GMT
Should ban all tomboys/ big handed people/small eared/small breasted/marge feet swimmers as they have a natural advantage.
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Post by Danno on Jun 20, 2022 21:09:06 GMT
Is there an informed debate to be had here? It's not something I will comment on from my position as a non-athlete, cis male, non medical/genetic/gender professional, no matter how much "research" I do.
Falls squarely into my "not my fucking business, but ffs why do people have to try to make other people's lives shittier" category.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 21:12:55 GMT
I'm glad that a thread was created based around a conversation we have on a 3 month cyclical timeline that always ends the same way. Bravo user Freddie, bravo.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 20, 2022 21:13:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 21:14:24 GMT
What, erm, does cis mean?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jun 20, 2022 21:16:25 GMT
It's the noise normies make if they are exposed to estrogen beams.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 20, 2022 21:16:33 GMT
What, erm, does cis mean? People whose gender identity is the same as their birth gender. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2022 21:17:06 GMT
What, erm, does cis mean? Cisgender. Where your identification of your gender is that of your birth. |
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