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Post by MercenaryZoan on Nov 9, 2023 13:50:28 GMT
Rant time! Fuck's sake, if the dojo mission for the Onmyo mystic arts in 2 was annoying, its predecessor is downright infuriating, and I don't seem to be the only one after some cursory searches... You're given only wooden weapons (you keep your armour) and a (pretty good actually) set of spells, to defeat a pair of the soldier statues (they one-shot you, but not too bad), an Onyudo (tongue monk, same as in 2) and a freaking NUE of all things (Onryoki in 2) in a row! No Living Weapon available either (although I didn't expect it to be)... You're even given 1 Sloth, it's still not enough! Not to mention, for some reason I can't use wooden Tonfa?? The Odachi is there just fine (also a DLC weapon in 1) and in 2 I could use my fists, so why are Tonfa excluded? Your guess is as good as mine... Joke's on the game though. I can craft a headpiece that has Onmyo Casting Speed guaranteed (a slightly lesser version of one of the buffs I would unlock from the mission) and I can still use my preferred set bonus even with it taking up a slot... So I'll just bin the mission, grab like 100 extra levels and Divine armour from NG+ or something and double back to NG to get my revenge if I feel like it You can pretty much one-shot the two stone guards with the water bullet spell the mission provides you with, if memory serves me right (EDIT: but you might want to save it for Nue, since Water lowers enemy's defence). Onyudo and Nue are actually both weaker in Nioh 1, in Nioh 2 the former got a damage buff and the latter a few new annoying attacks (which can be "Yokai-countered"). Back to the mission: as someone who also initially struggled a lot completing it, I have two pieces of advice - have patience and learn the enemies' attack pattern, then it merely becomes a matter of picking the right time to attack.
EDIT #2: If I remember correctly, Dojo missions in both games are kind of "set in stone", meaning you have to tackle them with predetermined stats and what the game gives you, you can't cheat by gaining levels.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 9, 2023 14:18:47 GMT
I can get through the statues and Onyudo easily enough, the problem is Nue has so few openings (Sloth only lasts for so long, and even when you deplete its Ki it recovers with thunderbolts so it's almost never safe) that eventually the buffs run out, and then you're left with no healing and little damage against a thunderbolt-spamming cunt... Something will go wrong eventually The real problem might legitimately be no Tonfa (and having Fuse-Ushi's heal on Amrita would also be nice even without Extraction I suppose), the game telling me I can't use the weapon I know best because reasons is not helping at all... I actually got Nue to about a third on one or two attempts, I might've won with the weapon I actually have skills (and skill!) with... (And even if character level doesn't matter, having higher level/rarity armour and accessories should still count for something, right? They don't give you preset armour in this mission, only the weapons...)
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 9, 2023 20:09:58 GMT
I came back to Nioh 2 tonight with a hardened sense of resolve, plus a determination not to be a salty wimp...
... Then I ran headlong into that owl boss.
Fuuuucccckkkkkkk.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 9, 2023 20:17:00 GMT
I came back to Nioh 2 tonight with a hardened sense of resolve, plus a determination not to be a salty wimp... ... Then I ran headlong into that owl boss. Fuuuucccckkkkkkk. Come to think of it, I think that one gave me the most trouble besides Yatsu-no-Kami (Enenra notwithstanding, because I didn't know my left from my right when I beat that one). Bosses that teleport around (or just fly/zip around constantly) are usually bad news in these games because most of the time it's difficult to keep track of them, and it's easy to waste your big damage opportunities if they decide to take off at a bad moment (see also Magoichi)
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 9, 2023 20:23:08 GMT
I'll toss something extra here while I remember it, it's about a different, optional fight. I don't consider it a spoiler or anything, but I'll tag it just in case. At some point, you'll unlock a couple blue missions that I think were added post-launch as a challenge. One of them is a duel against Saito Toshimitsu. Have fun with that one
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 9, 2023 20:33:28 GMT
Then I made the mistake of watching FightinCowboy tackle Tatarimokke for the first time, and he totally decimated it. How?!
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 9, 2023 20:35:21 GMT
Heh, Fighting Cowboy is not a fair comparison in the slightest. It'd be like complaining you can't play football as well as Messi
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 9, 2023 21:18:56 GMT
I don't know football, Junior!
Is this Messy bloke any good?
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 9, 2023 21:37:40 GMT
Eh, apparently he's won some Golden Ball shite or other eight times now. Probably bought votes anyway
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 10, 2023 0:28:41 GMT
Tatarimokke is dead! I *really* disliked that fight.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 10, 2023 23:37:38 GMT
Hundred-Eyes... Pfft. A thousand eyes wouldn't let the idiot foresee the ass-kicking I visited on him Honestly, he was a victory lap compared to the out-of-range-staying, elemental-projectile-spamming pain in the butt that Yamata-no-Orochi was... At least they had the decency to not force you to fight Kelley again after the first time, but Orochi was just annoying. A spectacle to be sure, but annoying. Kinda like a certain boss from 2, actually, and unfortunately, that one was also mandatory... Either way though, that's both Niohs' main stories done now! Never thought I'd see the day! Of course, that still leaves about a dozen NG+es and their DLC, but still
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 10, 2023 23:44:53 GMT
I'm not going to do any in-depth reviews or anything, but I'd say Nioh 1 was still awesome, but not as good as 2 IMO. With the caveat of me not having played the DLC or NG+ on either: 2 has a better, more personal-feeling story, a wider variety of enemies, weapons (both with and without DLC) and movesets/skills, more balanced combat and mechanics (that's subjective, but there were definitely less oneshots happening in 2 as far as I remember, and that's with me being more experienced in 1. Living Weapon is also more of an "I win" button than Yokai Shift when played correctly, but that's appealing in its own way too!) and, while the soundtrack in both was awesome, 2 had less tracks shared between bosses overall. Nioh 1 also has many more dual bosses that really weren't balanced for being fought together in the side missions, but these are optional content so I'm not docking points for that personally. Both games are great and very much worth playing, but if you're dead set on only playing one of them for some reason, I'd say go for 2. There will be one scene that has much less impact without playing 1, but otherwise 2 is 1 but better in many aspects IMO. Again though, best to play both if you can
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 11, 2023 0:15:22 GMT
Nice work, JuniorFE! Pleased you went back and wrapped it up, and even more pleased that you enjoyed yourself in the process. As for me, I'm currently on the mission right after the Magara Naotaka boss fight in Nioh 2. Still not sure how I'd rate the sequel versus the original, and tend to vacillate back and forth on that score, but I completely agree that both games are well worth playing. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but from what I know of it, I'm expecting Wo Long to be more up my street than either of the Nioh games.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 11, 2023 0:51:27 GMT
Ulythium Re: your spoiler, that is entirely possible! I personally enjoyed all three games very much, and while I would rate Wo Long slightly below the Niohs, it's for generally subjective opinions/reasons (mostly less variety in the movesets/magic and builds), someone else might enjoy the relatively simpler ways of Wo Long more. The gameplay itself is tight, and you may very well find it more to your liking when all is said and done!
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 11, 2023 1:02:07 GMT
As for me, after I was done I tried the Ogress->Joro-Gumo->Hino-Enma->Hundred-Eyes boss rush, as well as the Nobunaga/Yuki-Onna dual boss post-game side missions, just for shits and giggles. Ended up beating them both, with copious amounts of Living Weapon and my quartet of buffs (Extraction/Pleiades/Carnage/Steel) of course. The boss rush needed me to defeat Ogress normally before I used Living Weapon, otherwise it wouldn't last long enough. As for the duo, I had to be quick enough on the draw to Sloth both of them, Weakness Nobunaga and activate LW before they ganked me, then rush Nobunaga and pray I defeated him before I died. Yuki-Onna on her own was easy enough afterwards. Cheesy? Sure. Satisfying? Hell yeah (And if you're wondering how I had LW charged at the start of a mission, the answer is the consumable Spirit Stones. 5 of the smallest kind used at once is a full bar, as is some amount of the larger kinds, and thankfully I had enough to figure out these strategies through trial and error )
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 12, 2023 20:06:03 GMT
Gyuki is quite the asshat.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 12, 2023 20:15:44 GMT
Gyuki is quite the asshat. It is, but it's also pretty slow, especially with Lightning debuff and/or Sloth. Stay away from its front if you're not already doing so, it's got some attacks that only hit there. If you stick to its sides/back it'll have to turn around to meet you every so often and there's less attacks to worry about for the most part. Aim for its hind legs at the start if you can and break the Amrita crystals there for some good damage. It also doesn't utilise many combo or fast attacks, so typically if you block when you see it wind up, you'll have time to recover and get some more hits in or reposition yourself before the next one.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 12, 2023 20:35:36 GMT
Thanks, Junior.
The biggest problem I have with boss fight strats that require you to destroy/kill something quickly - e.g. the individual snakes with Yatsu-no-Kami, or the projectile-spewing orb with Tatarimokke - is that my build isn't geared towards high DPS. As a result, I never managed to pull off those approaches to the bosses in question.
Gyuki's Amrita-encrusted ankles make for an attractive target, but I haven't been able to break them without eating a ton of damage in the process.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 12, 2023 21:15:59 GMT
I want to say that blunt weapons will break crystals faster than sharp weapons (Tonfa, Splitstaff, Hammers instead of Axes, Fists instead of Claws and so on) but I'm not sure honestly... I do know that even within the same weapon type, generally blunt weapons deal more Ki damage while sharp weapons deal more HP damage (only learned it recently).
Also apparently you can try to bait its bull rush attack to make it smack its head into one of the wooden structures on the walls and stun it for a while, but I don't remember doing that myself.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 12, 2023 21:28:26 GMT
Water sword with dual swords made very, very short work of him. Easiest boss in the game 4 me. Spin to win also works pretty well.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 13, 2023 0:21:22 GMT
I fucking despise this boss.
Nick, is there a particular dual swords skill you found to be effective here? 'Cause staying in low stance and relying on my standard light attack isn't cutting any mustard whatsoever - I'm chipping away at his health bar millimetre by millimetre, while any one of his attacks will take a third to a half of my health bar if I fail to hold block or mistime a dodge.
I can deplete his Ki bar pretty easily, especially if I nail a few Burst Counters, but it has all been for naught so far (and I must've fought the goddamn thing for 90 straight minutes, no exaggeration needed).
Thanks in advance!
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 13, 2023 0:34:31 GMT
Ulythium Nick already mentioned one, the Water Sword skill. High stance, hit the strong attack button while guarding. You basically just whirl your swords around and dice up whatever it is you're fighting. I think it also has an upgrade to make the attacks even faster. I'll point out (sorry for repeating myself, but Extraction/Life on AA was probably my biggest revelation back when I was playing) that Extraction Talisman plus Life Recovery on Amrita Absorption (can roll on chest pieces, a few specific accessories, and I believe is also a Clan benefit -you'll want to go to the Hidden Teahouse to check those out-) would really help for survivability when combined with skills like that. If you can deplete the thing's Ki easily as you say, pulling a Water Sword with Extraction set up is very safe until it gets back up and would probably shoot you back up to full health from almost nothing, even. And then of course it also helps you prolong the inevitable Yokai Shift when it goes into the Dark Realm.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 13, 2023 0:40:09 GMT
JuniorFE Doh! I thought he meant applying Water to your weapon with a talisman or amulet, which I tried doing with no real success - I didn't realise it was a skill.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 13, 2023 0:43:05 GMT
Also - and apologies in advance for the dumb question - is there anything I can do with the Amrita Absorption stuff without having to quit the mission and start over from scratch? Obviously I can't go to the Hidden Teahouse, for instance.
Many thanks for all your help, as always.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 13, 2023 0:47:17 GMT
JuniorFE Doh! I thought he meant applying Water to your weapon with a talisman or amulet, which I tried doing with no real success - I didn't realise it was a skill.
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I figured it was something like that, it does get confusing when one thing can mean two very different strategies depending on the context One more thing that I hadn't thought of, if you have it available: you can apply Lightning to your weapon with a talisman to hit Gyuki's weakness and slow it down as you're depleting its Ki, then customize Water Sword to have a different element through the Arcana skills (Shiftling Skill tree) to easily hit it with Confusion from the double elemental debuffs! Should you go down that route, I'd recommend Arcana of Water over Fire as the Fire DoT probably loses out to Water's damage increase.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 13, 2023 0:49:52 GMT
Also - and apologies in advance for the dumb question - is there anything I can do with the Amrita Absorption stuff without having to quit the mission and start over from scratch? Obviously I can't go to the Hidden Teahouse, for instance. Many thanks for all your help, as always. One of Nioh 2's biggest QoL updates was the ability to filter your equipment list for specific effects. Go to your chest pieces and accessories, filter for Life Recovery on Amrita Absorption and hope for the best. Unfortunately I don't think it's a Guardian Spirit buff this time (praise Nioh 1 Fuse-Ushi ) so short of restarting the mission after a Teahouse visit it may be your only option... Edit: turns out it does exist as a Guardian Spirit buff after all... But unfortunately it's on Oh, who is a DLC mission reward... Something to look forward to, I guess? 😅
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 13, 2023 8:47:52 GMT
Yes, the choppy choppy skill. I am a big high stance enjoyer in general, the combo is really good and the last hit is a skill so you can assign it something in the shiftling tree and skill buffs work on it.
Water sword absolutely melts anything you can convince to stand still and in open play the spin move breaks the horns (and ki breaks) pretty much every monster. Like those tall ones with the two cleavers. It will immediately ki break them.
I’m sure every weapon has similar or better but I found it really suited how I wanted to play; just brute forcing everything.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 13, 2023 9:07:05 GMT
Cheers, guys.
I was honestly so pissed off last night, after an hour and a half of smashing my head against this bastard boss, that I was giving serious consideration to binning off the game altogether; however, having slept on it (reducing my level of saltiness somewhat in the process), I'm determined to get back on the horse.
I'll start by unlocking Water Sword (if possible!) and giving that a shot.
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Post by uiruki on Nov 13, 2023 9:49:14 GMT
I'm calling it now, though it's cliche at this point: you'll have it done in 15 minutes, if not the first try.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 13, 2023 9:59:05 GMT
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