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Post by Dgzter on Oct 29, 2024 9:26:26 GMT
Thought that Fextralife video was a little ill-judged, tbh. I don't particularly see their content a lot, but have occasionally used their guide pages when rolling new characters for Souls speedruns etc.
Now, I'm not dismissing their grievances about the wider process, ofc -- I've obviously no idea myself -- but I didn't think too much of their script, some of the leaps in logic they were making, or the general tone of the video, etc. Came across rather poorly, at least to my mind.
Also struck me as very odd, in their assorted clips of other "reviewers", that they opted to foreground some really odious rage-baiting content creators, such as Mark Kern or Vara Dark? Weird.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Oct 29, 2024 9:30:40 GMT
With the art style I think they were trying to latch onto those who like Clone Wars (never watched it so can't comment on the writing - but, I assume, it's better than this). The Skillup review was pretty scathing but it needed to be if all the issues he raises and explores are true. Do consider those individuals who review the games not just the outlet - they have their own agender and preferences and, clearly, this appeals to them for one reason or another. Much like my recent experience with Aliens: Romulus, I think I am just damn old (ie selective about what I consume) to be of any target demographic for certain games. Just a shame a series such as Dragon Age, which I have enjoyed over the years and never felt patronised by, seems to changed direction. Oh well back to Ghost of Tsushima it is then - nothing to see here.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 29, 2024 9:31:24 GMT
I also noticed in skill ups review he said the writing is done in such a way he felt it was created with pr/hr over the writer shoulders making sure nothing could offend any gamer who would play it Writing a game so it doesn’t offend anyone is a weird criticism. That just sounds like the comment of someone who moans about “politiks in muh gamez” and “historically inaccurate” ethnics and gender types in his make believe fantasy worlds. |
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Oct 29, 2024 9:33:39 GMT
I also noticed in skill ups review he said the writing is done in such a way he felt it was created with pr/hr over the writer shoulders making sure nothing could offend any gamer who would play it Writing a game so it doesn’t offend anyone is a weird criticism. That just sounds like the comment of someone who moans about “politiks in muh gamez” and “historically inaccurate” ethnics and gender types in his make believe fantasy worlds. I think he was saying the writing just doesn't engender any sort of urgency or meaningful/impactful conflict, rather than the "oh no more 'inclusive' stuff". It's just very safe. |
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 29, 2024 9:35:17 GMT
Also, not to just indulge in mean-spirited sniping etc., but there's a clip in the IGN review (c. 8.58 mark) where the female Rook character puts on a voice to deliver one of the lines designated by the theatre mask that is genuinely atrocious. Unfathomably bad.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 29, 2024 9:35:55 GMT
Writing a game so it doesn’t offend anyone is a weird criticism. That just sounds like the comment of someone who moans about “politiks in muh gamez” and “historically inaccurate” ethnics and gender types in his make believe fantasy worlds.
I don't think he was upset about the game not offending players, so much as the inability of the characters within the game to offend one another.
In context, his criticism was about the dearth of tension between party members, the lack of options to roleplay as a belligerent douchebag, and the way that even ostensibly blunt/aggressive/rude dialogue options turn out to be nothing of the sort.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 29, 2024 9:41:58 GMT
I just skipped through the SkillUp video, and a lot of that is reaching for me. The unexpressive faces aren't great, but it's hardly unprecedented to see that in RPGs of this scale. Wouldn't bother me. The art style isn't what I was expecting. But it doesn't bother me. There are shitty piss-easy puzzles in a game that's 100 hours long. Doesn't bother me. Oh no! The text option for a conversation choice didn't precisely match up with the voice script! Fuck's sake, dude. That's practically every RPG for the last 20 years. A lot of it looked like dunking for dunking's sake. But, again, that doesn't bother me. SkillUp can say whatever they want to say. When I next have a 100hr gap in my schedule, I'll probably slip this in there.  |
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Post by zisssou on Oct 29, 2024 9:42:19 GMT
We've got to save the world! Btw do you know that I'm gay?
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Oct 29, 2024 9:54:05 GMT
I just skipped through the SkillUp video, and a lot of that is reaching for me. The unexpressive faces aren't great, but it's hardly unprecedented to see that in RPGs of this scale. Wouldn't bother me. The art style isn't what I was expecting. But it doesn't bother me. There are shitty piss-easy puzzles in a game that's 100 hours long. Doesn't bother me. Oh no! The text option for a conversation choice didn't precisely match up with the voice script! Fuck's sake, dude. That's practically every RPG for the last 20 years. A lot of it looked like dunking for dunking's sake. But, again, that doesn't bother me. SkillUp can say whatever they want to say. When I next have a 100hr gap in my schedule, I'll probably slip this in there. I initially skipped through the review but rewatched it and it is worth it as he justifies his issues with it (rather than just ranting for ranting sake). |
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Post by Phattso on Oct 29, 2024 10:04:05 GMT
I don't think it's worth it for me. I watched a handful of two minute segments and it all seemed very meh. Not a lot in there that I thought was fair vs. the state of the industry, or likely to scare me off. I tend to be more steered by my own tastes and what you 'orrible lot say about a game. I tend not to watch YT reviews. Statements in the video like "I love how the world looks, but I hate how they've put it together and what you do in it" are so broad and blanket as to be absurd. If we accept the premise that they fucking hate the game, then of course they're also going to hate each and every component of that game. But a load of that stuff I just shrugged at because it wouldn't bother me. So it doesn't matter how well they articulate their hate - it doesn't impact me, as most of those thing haven't bothered me in other games and probably wouldn't bother me here. I still occassionally dip into Baldur's Gate II FFS, and you won't believe how shit the faces are in that.  |
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 29, 2024 10:06:03 GMT
I hardly ever fully agree with Skill-Up, but he has no reason to dunk for dunking sake, and the footage backs up what he's saying, of course selective editing can achieve anything though. I've no interest in playing a 50 hour RPG with terrible hollow combat, inconsequential decisions and bad writing. Although saying that if people start playing it and saying it's great I'm sure I'll be tempted cos I'm a sucker for fantasy rpgs.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 29, 2024 10:13:16 GMT
I had a glance through the EG review, and that wasn't the conclusion they reached. Anyways, I actually don't have a horse in the race. Just thought I'd check out what "the yoot" were using to base their decisions on and I'm glad I don't have to. |
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2024 11:08:58 GMT
Well, I'm going in now...
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 29, 2024 11:19:21 GMT
Seems you cant be "bad" or do anything "bad" in this game. It just seems to be a bit "nice". Will wait for ACG and Worthabuy for their views as usual. Mortismal has it has his GOTY so something seems a bit off.
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Post by Gruf on Oct 29, 2024 11:27:06 GMT
Thought that Fextralife video was a little ill-judged, tbh. I don't particularly see their content a lot, but have occasionally used their guide pages when rolling new characters for Souls speedruns etc. Now, I'm not dismissing their grievances about the wider process, ofc -- I've obviously no idea myself -- but I didn't think too much of their script, some of the leaps in logic they were making, or the general tone of the video, etc. Came across rather poorly, at least to my mind. Also struck me as very odd, in their assorted clips of other "reviewers", that they opted to foreground some really odious rage-baiting content creators, such as Mark Kern or Vara Dark? Weird. Fextralife are my goto for any RPG content TBH. I do feel they are coming from a sincere place Having said that the grey area has only got more murky between games companies and reviewers/influencers Seen this in particular with Sim racing companies and the reviewers/influencers sitting in racing cockpits using top of the line equipment, all supplied free by those same companies. At this point I see them as just another arm of the marketing team EA on this game appear to be gaming the review system, not that it matters to me, I am not paying £70 for any PS5 game |
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 29, 2024 11:31:58 GMT
What's wrong with being nice, you horrible bastards
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 29, 2024 11:33:47 GMT
Won’t someone think of the YouTubers.
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Post by Cappy on Oct 29, 2024 11:52:26 GMT
We've got to save the world! Btw do you know that I'm gay? Being able to cripple and debuff enemies by giving them monkey pox etc. Would at least inch the game somewhat closer to being interesting. |
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Post by Frog on Oct 29, 2024 12:17:29 GMT
Btw do you know that I'm gay? No need to tell us unless it's something important like being a vegan. |
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2024 12:22:21 GMT
Apparently he doesn't have a particularly good rep either. It's not a reach to assume he may not have received a code for reasons other than the one he's presenting.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 29, 2024 12:23:13 GMT
How're you finding the game, Derbs?
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2024 12:28:23 GMT
I spent far too long on the character creator. I've played about 30 minutes It's not the game I was expecting though, from my short experience and general knowledge of the franchise. It feels closer to Kingdoms of Amalur than my memory of DA2 (I never played Origins but it's a different type of RPG anyway). |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 29, 2024 12:30:59 GMT
Michael Douse, the director of publishing for Larian Studios has been playing it and offered his thoughts.
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Post by Gruf on Oct 29, 2024 13:37:07 GMT
Apparently he doesn't have a particularly good rep either. It's not a reach to assume he may not have received a code for reasons other than the one he's presenting. His rep is not something I have looked into TBH. Usually his game views seem to mesh with my own though, is all I care about. I could understand if it was just him missing code but multiple, sounds fishy, it is EA after all. I will wait till I get a full picture, then consider buying on a cheap PSN store if I take the plunge. |
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Post by rockavitch on Oct 29, 2024 13:56:43 GMT
Has anyone out there who got an advance copy spoiled the ending yet? Don't want to know what it is but would like to know if it has an actual ending or hides it behind a DLC like Trespasser, because of so then I'll wait.
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Post by zephro on Oct 29, 2024 15:10:47 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Oct 29, 2024 15:59:04 GMT
This whole "you can't be bad!" stuff seems weird to me. Was that ever a thing in Bioware post-KotoR? The Renegade paths in ME are far more "do anything to get the job done" than calling everyone in a dick, you're locked into either lawful good or lawful neutral for the most part.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 29, 2024 16:07:25 GMT
I've never played any BioWare games pre-ME1, but I definitely felt I had *way* more scope to be an asshole in ME1-3 than in Andromeda (or Inquisition, for that matter). Not evil, and not a villain, but definitely a douchebag. Maybe an antihero?
In any case, it sounds as though this is more 'Andromeda' than 'original ME trilogy' on the roleplaying front, which is... disappointing. By no means a deal-breaker for me personally, mind.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Oct 29, 2024 16:32:45 GMT
I was reading some comments from a guy on another forum (*gasp*) who had a review copy and whilst they had some reservations, mainly around the niceness of your party, was overall positive on the whole thing. His main takeaway though was that this is very much Mass Effect 2: Fantasy Edition in structure / story-telling etc, but has more overall impactful decisions to make than that did.
Which sounds pretty sweet.
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Post by peacemaker on Oct 29, 2024 16:44:31 GMT
I mean in m.e. You could be a genocidal maniac and also straight up kill team members. That sounds pretty evil to me. Doesn’t sound like you can do these things in dragon age. A choice is nice when someone in your team is annoying. I’ll definitely play this though when it’s on game pass.
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