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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 28, 2024 19:06:41 GMT
IGN review mentions that everything else that has gone before Veilguard is pretty much inconsequential to the point that even a couple of retuning characters don’t mention events of the past games. Seems pretty like a reboot.
Tempted to put aside my playthrough of Inquisition and just get this. I don’t know if I’ll be able to properly concentrate with VG right there.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Oct 28, 2024 19:10:34 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 19:26:33 GMT
The Skill Up review is what I was expecting and it's hard to argue with him on the character design and animation. Looks appalling in those regards and that was bothering me in the previews. Pretty savage review all round. Weird one to get such extremes, think I'll wait to hear what you early adopters think. If people here say it's good I'll have a look come Christmas but the character design is somewhat off-putting.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 28, 2024 20:25:37 GMT
Did you actually pay money for it? Nah.
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Post by zephro on Oct 28, 2024 20:38:22 GMT
Hmm based on EG, RPS and PCG I will probably give it a miss until it's on a steam sale or whatnot. Sounds like a very pleasant action adventure game where everyone is quite nice or just the baddy. The PCG and RPS ones both seemed to give the impression the writing lacked complexity or moral greyness.
I don't play that many action games basically. Still not got Spiderman. Though I'll probably just try and Iron Man BG3.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 28, 2024 22:36:40 GMT
The Skill Up footage makes it look like a sitcom in a fantasy setting. The writing is pretty poor.
I wonder why everyone else let it slide? I know games generally don’t have good writing/VO acting in comparison to other media but this seems especially childish, but on purpose.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 22:44:06 GMT
The Skill Up footage makes it look like a sitcom in a fantasy setting. The writing is pretty poor. I wonder why everyone else let it slide? I know games generally don’t have good writing/VO acting in comparison to other media but this seems especially childish, but on purpose. Yeah it's an interesting one, I mean I get opinions are subjective but he came with receipts and it honestly came across as an embarrassing level of writing. From all the footage he put in that video I was really struggling to see how this would be "best bioware game ever".
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Post by zephro on Oct 28, 2024 22:50:11 GMT
Some people inexplicably like zany sitcoms. Or musicals.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2024 22:57:49 GMT
Some people inexplicably like zany sitcoms. Or musicals. I quite like zany sitcoms, but for a series like Dragon Age which has some proper dark stuff it's a bit weird that it's gone all, well, Disneyfied.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 28, 2024 22:58:05 GMT
It’s definitely got a much higher visual quality than all the previous BioWare games, but it looks like a modern Fable. It’s got a really soft and light visual style, and the comparison to Shrek (or something like Lightyear, as a more recent example) isn’t all that far off. Again, it’s a choice, but it’s not the one I’d expect.
I’d love to know the why’s behind it all.
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 28, 2024 23:03:43 GMT
I think Veilguard will be this year's Final Fantasy XVI - in terms of being a divisive entry in a long-standing fantasy RPG series, that seems to leave (some) old fans behind as it seeks to attract new ones - and it's kind of noteworthy that while FF16 was pretty po-faced and dour, Veilguard appears to have gone down the opposite route and strayed into Whedon/Pixar territory instead.
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Post by zephro on Oct 28, 2024 23:23:05 GMT
Some people inexplicably like zany sitcoms. Or musicals. I quite like zany sitcoms, but for a series like Dragon Age which has some proper dark stuff it's a bit weird that it's gone all, well, Disneyfied. Yeah and I'm just guessing it's the EG writers bag and not mine. Which is fine my steam backlog haunts my dreams anyway. Honestly all I've played lately is Satisfactory.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Oct 29, 2024 0:42:56 GMT
So yesterday Mrs Nano and I watched the first episode of this US TV series called Evil, about a psychologist investigating demonic possession and related phenomena, and it had a really bizarre feel to it (this is going somewhere, I promise). The source material and themes were dark as fuck, with a serial killer, gruesome murder images and a woman basically being sexually assaulted by a demon while under sleep paralysis. Horrific stuff. But the show was shot in a well-lit, flat way like a romantic comedy, and the characters seemed totally unfazed by any of the events. The main character even grinned directly at the camera at one point, Fleabag style. Now mixing genres is fine and can be really interesting, but this just did not work, at all. The very look and feel of the show felt completely incongruous to its genre and themes, and it just made the whole thing seem so... off.
Anyway, having watched a few reviews I get exactly the same vibes from this game. The art style and character design just seem so badly suited to this genre. Then there's the quippy MCU-style dialogue (something which absolutely needs to die), with none of the characters ever seeming to take anything seriously, so it never feels like there's any genuine peril or anything is at stake. It looks like a committee has smoothed all of the edges off to deliver a Generic Entertainment Product.
EDIT: Basically, what Derbs and Jambo said.
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Post by peacemaker on Oct 29, 2024 1:17:38 GMT
Yep and I also noticed in skill ups review he said the writing is done in such a way he felt it was created with pr/hr over the writer shoulders making sure nothing could offend any gamer who would play it almost Disney like. I look forward to acg’s review.
Such a shame as I love the old BioWare games. The first dragon age and the first two mass effects are some of my favourite games I’ve played.
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Post by Frog on Oct 29, 2024 7:02:13 GMT
ACG didn't get a code, he isn't reviewing it. Said he will share some thoughts on it when he has played it
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Post by apollo on Oct 29, 2024 7:02:49 GMT
Yeah, it seems a poor decision to have the interactions like "HR is in the room" like in skillups footage, he wants to call this other character an idiot as he is being stubborn and Rook does not say this and this happens in other examples, you can not be like renegade like character or a "bit of dick". Its all safe not to offend any person. Its not even zany sitcom, its more disneyified or like pixar film.
I don't think they want to reboot the game, I think someone wanted to make the game what they wanted. Make it more kiddy, more "OMG QUIRKY" characters and sub-par marvel/whedonesque quips"
Rebooting a game series is fine but its how you do it, its like rebooting game of thrones and turning into Mrs Brown boys!
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Post by zisssou on Oct 29, 2024 7:43:25 GMT
ACG didn't get a code, he isn't reviewing it. Said he will share some thoughts on it when he has played it That is quite interesting! To me at least. I find his reviews fairly balanced.
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Post by Frog on Oct 29, 2024 7:48:32 GMT
I don't think it was anything sinister as to why he didn't get one, just said sometimes it doesn't happen.
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Post by apollo on Oct 29, 2024 7:59:10 GMT
No one is entitled to a review code but there was a thing where anyone that didn't give a glowing preview didn't get a review code.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2024 8:07:17 GMT
No one is entitled to a review code but there was a thing where anyone that didn't give a glowing preview didn't get a review code. Nah, seemingly not. Fextralife claimed that to be the case but that doesn’t mean it’s true.
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Post by loto on Oct 29, 2024 8:07:21 GMT
The bloke over at Metro (yes, I know it's DMG. No I don't fucking care. Their reviews are normally about right for me except their love of bullet hell shoomps) really liked it and gave it 9/10. Summary here: In Short: A triumphant return for BioWare, with a massive, action-intensive fantasy role-player, that combines a complex and intuitive fighting system with a great script and a glorious looking world to explore.
Pros: An excellent new fighting system, that intuitively combines physical attacks with special moves. Stunning to look at, with well written characters and first rate voice acting.
Cons: For those with a family and a job this could take months to complete. Side quest dialogue eventually become repetitive, and all that trigger action makes boss fights a real pain, literally.
I think I'll get it. The only negative seems to be its a bit 'on rails' compared to Larian stuff and the side quest dialogue..
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Post by apollo on Oct 29, 2024 8:13:57 GMT
No one is entitled to a review code but there was a thing where anyone that didn't give a glowing preview didn't get a review code. Nah, seemingly not. Fextralife claimed that to be the case but that doesn’t mean it’s true. Luke stephens said the same thing, he said Bioware blanked when he asked
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Post by zephro on Oct 29, 2024 8:51:15 GMT
I doubt PR or HR were involved. From what we know of Bioware of all the old writing staff having left. It just sounds like they got a bunch of enthusiastic young Americans to write it.
They have a penchant for being unbearably positive and unchallenging.
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Post by Mark1412 on Oct 29, 2024 8:54:46 GMT
End of Mass Effect 3 didn't feel that positive! But point remains, this is not the company that wrote and made KOTOR and ME.
Luckily, we have Larian.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 29, 2024 8:56:27 GMT
Well I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to shit on the game for the next few pages, with zero intention of buying the game.
I'm joking of course
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2024 9:01:00 GMT
Nah, seemingly not. Fextralife claimed that to be the case but that doesn’t mean it’s true. Luke stephens said the same thing, he said Bioware blanked when he asked Hardly a stranger to controversy though, eh.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Oct 29, 2024 9:02:03 GMT
I can see why they were selective when it comes to ‘influences’ reviews. You only have to type Dragon Age into YouTube once to have multiple videos slamming the game for being ‘dei’ to be recommended to you.
It seems Dualschockers outright used gamergate terminology in their review (‘sweet baby inc) and MrMattyPlays is currently embroiled in a situation where a lot of the social media outrage over the game before the reviews hit were using screenshots from his playthrough.
With the amount of noise around the game regarding being ‘woke’ I can see why BioWare/EA would maybe want to control that to some degree. It’s not like the spread of reviews are just 90+, think most people have an idea of what the game is like and whether it is for them or not.
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Post by robthehermit on Oct 29, 2024 9:03:09 GMT
Have the idiots started complaining that you can be trans and there are trans exclusive dialogue options yet?
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Post by apollo on Oct 29, 2024 9:22:20 GMT
I can see why they were selective when it comes to ‘influences’ reviews. You only have to type Dragon Age into YouTube once to have multiple videos slamming the game for being ‘dei’ to be recommended to you. I understand being selective but Luke stephens isn't one of those people and MrMattyPlays got a review code and just watching his review this morning and gave it glowing preview
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Post by harrypalmer on Oct 29, 2024 9:26:23 GMT
Watched the SkillUp review and read the EG one. One is very convincing. It looks terrible. It doesnt even look as good as Harry Potter let alone BG3 or actual Dragon Age.
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