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Nov 24, 2022 6:47:58 GMT
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Post by Nemesis on Nov 24, 2022 6:47:58 GMT
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Post by hedben on Nov 24, 2022 8:15:51 GMT
Stupid aside, but is this the first time we’ve seen a Star Wars show go against the trope of “Stormtroopers couldn’t hit the side of a barn”? These ones were picking off rebels no problem, even one who was on the back of an empire guard.
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Nov 24, 2022 8:57:40 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 24, 2022 8:57:40 GMT
The music is used so well on this show. The procession walks through Ferrix with slow and somber music leading up to Rix Road which changes to something more triumphant and defiant as they march towards the blockade. You know exactly what's going through the people's heads throughout the whole thing. Seen some complain about the post credits which I don't get, it's a prequel to Rogue One, is it so surprising they show the Death Star? Also hard confirmation thats what Andor worked on in the prison, giving some poetic justice he helps destroy the thing he helped create.
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Nov 24, 2022 9:58:40 GMT
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Post by dasbooter on Nov 24, 2022 9:58:40 GMT
I'm a bit confused about Cyril and Trevor's presence on Ferrix. Was he there just to moon over his girlfriend? Why did they swap hats?
And Cyril in general. Wtf is he all about?
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Nov 24, 2022 10:01:14 GMT
Post by clemfandango on Nov 24, 2022 10:01:14 GMT
10/10 will watch again
How many years is this set before Rogue One? He seems to have a strong relationship with K-2SO in that but not much time to develop it?
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 24, 2022 10:14:55 GMT
I'm a bit confused about Cyril and Trevor's presence on Ferrix. Was he there just to moon over his girlfriend? Why did they swap hats?
And Cyril in general. Wtf is he all about? Syril recognises something in Daedra that he aspires to be. Loyal to the Empire, imposing the letter of the law effectively. Prob fancies her too. Wants to be the hero of his own story, rescuing the girl in distress. Him and Mosk are wannabe fascists, they became best friends geeking out about how they could put the boot on others throats, cosplaying and looking cool doing it. I took the hat swap to be a little moment of 'This hat looks better on you' type of thing 10/10 will watch again How many years is this set before Rogue One? He seems to have a strong relationship with K-2SO in that but not much time to develop it? S2 supposedly takes place over a number of years, each 3 episode arc taking place within a year etc. Think innS2 we will see K-2SO
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Nov 24, 2022 10:24:40 GMT
Post by myk on Nov 24, 2022 10:24:40 GMT
I hope they reconsider that, I found the time jumps in HoD quite distracting. Though if that's all they want to do, better they do it that way than add filler they don't want.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 24, 2022 10:33:48 GMT
It's kinda necessary tho, after reading interviews with the show runner they want the end of the series to literally follow on as a direct continuation into Rogue One. So they have a couple of years to fill the gaps. If the season is more 3 episode arcs that are fairly self contained, same as here, then it'll be fine. I have faith in these writers to do it right.
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Nov 24, 2022 11:26:22 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 24, 2022 11:26:22 GMT
The next season is 4 x three episode arcs, each a year or so apart leading into Rogue One.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 11:27:19 GMT
How many years is this set before Rogue One? He seems to have a strong relationship with K-2SO in that but not much time to develop it? I think that will be one of the main story arcs for the four years covered in S2 that lead directly into Rogue One. Apparently each three episode arc covers one year with the final episode directly before he goes to the Ring of Kafrene to meet Daniel Mays character
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Post by technoish on Nov 24, 2022 11:30:58 GMT
I'd prefer they did more series to fill the years!!!!!! Screw anything else star wars related I think three series would be perfect. The thing about Andor, and I agree with the point about how cinematic they made it, is that it also still stuck to the TV serial format. Many other streaming series would have made that last episode a longer one. But this was just the same. Storyboard wise very straight forward. Lots of suspense building up to the mob and then a final resolution which simultaneously set up the next series without being a cliffhanger (IE they don't actually need to do series 2 to lead into Rogue One - we can perfectly infer he became a proper member of the rebellion after that last scene, but we definitely want more to see what happens!)
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Post by simple on Nov 24, 2022 12:24:11 GMT
Restraint has been one of the things that has made this series so good. No streaming bloat of overlong or too many episodes, no needless references, only showing what was necessary for this story and these characters
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Nov 24, 2022 13:27:04 GMT
Post by Whizzo on Nov 24, 2022 13:27:04 GMT
Two seasons of 12 episodes around 45 minutes each is still pretty long for a Disney+ show, The Mandalorian has had three seasons but only 16 episodes (+1 if you include what was pretty much a Mando episode in TBoBF). The MCU shows have only been 6-9 episode seasons and some of those shows are a shorter format too.
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Post by gamingdave on Nov 24, 2022 15:38:01 GMT
What a great ending to a consistently brilliant show. It delivered on all of its promise, set things up wonderfully for the next arc, without resorting to cheap cliffhangers.
I'd put this up there with the very best of TV shows form the last few years, easily holding its own against the likes of Chernobyl and Succession for me.
It managed to enrich the Star Wars universe without overly relying on what had come before, and when it did show us things we knew, be it characters or props, they only added to the overall package (TIE Fighters have never looked or sounded so good - and never been as menacing).
Had the story been set outside of Star Wars, it would still have been staggering writing, but tying into the lore we already know (the Empire and it's rise) gave us a world we already understood. Just now we know so much more.
Easily the best Star Wars outside of the OT.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 24, 2022 16:23:45 GMT
Not started this yet but have a week off work next week - hoping to go through the lot. Will I even like this considering I wasn't a fan of Rogue One? To answer this point...I'm not sure. Rogue One was good but kinda messy. Andor is much more assured and excellent all round. If the idea of a Star Wars series about the boots on the ground Rebellion is enticing then go for it. I think if you even removed all the SW out of it you'll still get one of the best shows of the year.
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Post by simple on Nov 24, 2022 16:30:38 GMT
I suppose Rogue One is more like a classic WW2 adventure like Dirty Dozen or the Navarone films but Andor is more of a thriller in a lot of ways. Its a lot more serious and talky than Star Wars has ever been before.
And like others have said, this could easily have not been Star Wars at all and you’d lose almost nothing.
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Nov 24, 2022 16:57:48 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 24, 2022 16:57:48 GMT
Yeah there’s very little similarity between this and Rogue One other than it’s about the start/early rebellion, nothing to do with Jedi and a couple of the actors are the same. The set design feels similar to R1.
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Nov 24, 2022 17:36:09 GMT
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Post by khanivor on Nov 24, 2022 17:36:09 GMT
The bright star light illuminating the space battle was very R1.
While I’d love this show to run and run, it’s no doubt a good thing it’s got one more season to go. I’ve full and absolute faith that the quality will not dip for the next season. Give it another two to three though and that dip is inevitable
I’ve read theories that B2 will get transferred into/merged with K2-SO. If that happens ima be a blubbery mess during that scene
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 24, 2022 17:42:54 GMT
The personalities of B2 and K2 are pretty different, could easily see that he just ends up with Bix.
Or when they're on Yavin and bumps into Chopper the murderous astromech just pushes him off a cliff.
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Nov 24, 2022 18:23:21 GMT
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Post by khanivor on Nov 24, 2022 18:23:21 GMT
Either way, I think we can safely say Tony Gilroy writes the best droids
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Post by simple on Nov 24, 2022 19:11:18 GMT
I don’t think there’s been a more heartbreaking line in a tv drama this year than “I don’t want to be alone”
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Nov 24, 2022 19:12:17 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 24, 2022 19:12:17 GMT
I wonder if S2 will show more of the aliens/droids aspect of joining the Rebellion. Its a very human led story, I'd be curious to see if they bring in any aliens as part of the main cast. Heard that even stuff like memory wiping droids is an Empire construct which goes against droids equal rights amongst organic races. Would be fun to touch on that subject as well.
...Can we have 5 more seasons of this?
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Post by magicpanda on Nov 24, 2022 19:26:09 GMT
Far too stoned for Maarva's hologram speech, I pretty much burst into tears with all the music and the hammers. Good stuff.
Brings me neatly to why this is the best tv of recent times, It makes be genuinely excited or sad or a number of other emotions i'm dealing with about Dedra Meero (some kind of award for her acting is needed).
Such a brilliant show.
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Nov 24, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 24, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
Yeah, Maarva's speech had me welling up. What a scene, what an episode. I know some have said you could take away Star Wars and still have a great show, and while I think that's true a lot of the emotional impact comes from witnessing the emergence of the rebellion. Anyway, I just watched the final three episodes in one go. I thought it would peak at the prison break but one thing about this show is just how incredibly well it's maintains its quality. I'll have to watch it again to identify episodes I didn't enjoy so much. I'm not sure there were any, even if there were at least 3 absolute standouts. One last random thing: the scene with Luthen and the tractor beam. It had me grinning like a maniac.
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Nov 24, 2022 21:50:08 GMT
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Post by Onny on Nov 24, 2022 21:50:08 GMT
I don’t think there’s been a more heartbreaking line in a tv drama this year than “I don’t want to be alone” B2 really is the best droid. The show runner says that 2 seasons is all there is and then he’s not doing it any more because it’s too hard. On the other hand this should mean it continues to be excellent. It’s going to be hard not to lap up any news/content on s2 in the next two years, but one of the things I’ve enjoyed about s1 is not at all knowing where it’s going next. So I’m going to try to keep myself in the dark.
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Post by simple on Nov 25, 2022 0:25:33 GMT
I hadn’t realised three of its writers were Oscar nominees, that’s certainly putting it a class above most of what Lucas and Disney have given us so far.
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Nov 25, 2022 5:56:38 GMT
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Post by Onny on Nov 25, 2022 5:56:38 GMT
Also the excellent soundtrack is by the same fella who did Succession.
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Nov 25, 2022 9:14:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 9:14:07 GMT
I think they wanted to do more series, five was mentioned in one of the links earlier in the thread, but time is against them. Luna would be late 50’s and it would be jarring to go from watching that to Rogue One when he was 36.
Better Call Saul kinda got away with it but Jesse Pinkman looked way too old in his cameo, bearing in mind how young he looked in Breaking Bad
Two seasons is good for me
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Post by myk on Nov 25, 2022 10:30:04 GMT
For me, I'd prefer 5 seasons of Andor than worrying about the continuity of what Luna looked like in Rogue One. But I can totally understand the people involved not wanting to commit ten years to a show - I would rather have two excellent seasons than one great and 4 mediocre ones.
The hope is that this forms the framework for an overall increase in quality of Star Wars shows. This with a bit more action and humour is exactly where Star Wars should be.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 26, 2022 0:37:07 GMT
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUCCK!
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