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Post by gamingdave on Nov 10, 2022 10:33:51 GMT
What an incredible episode. Just gets better and better. The dialogue is written brilliantly, and you couldn't ask for more from the actors in terms of delivery. If this doesn't win awards I would be greatly surprised (and dissapointed).
Everything fits, actions make sense, no McGuffins. Unlike Obi where at least once an episode we would shout "just walk around it" this is tense, captivating and just amazing storytelling all round.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 10, 2022 11:10:38 GMT
Great find, thanks. Really interesting stuff. Hopefully D+ does some extras like they did for OWK and Mando |
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Nov 10, 2022 11:16:38 GMT
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Post by simple on Nov 10, 2022 11:16:38 GMT
I hope its finding an audience because an you just know an A24 future prison film would look just like this and clean up the end of year lists
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Nov 10, 2022 11:36:47 GMT
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Post by brokenkey on Nov 10, 2022 11:36:47 GMT
So, based on the final scene, how many people made it all the way?
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Nov 10, 2022 11:56:24 GMT
Post by Whizzo on Nov 10, 2022 11:56:24 GMT
I imagine the ISB meeting will give us numbers next episode, probably then Meero discovers they had Cassian in custody for weeks.
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Nov 10, 2022 15:28:12 GMT
Post by mcgeeza on Nov 10, 2022 15:28:12 GMT
Plus she'd be about 14 at this point in time? |
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Post by mcgeeza on Nov 10, 2022 15:34:34 GMT
I imagine the ISB meeting will give us numbers next episode, probably then Meero discovers they had Cassian in custody for weeks. Has it come to this? Where a meeting room full of ISB officers going through a spreadsheet is better than any other live action Star Wars from the last 39 years.  |
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Post by mcgeeza on Nov 10, 2022 15:37:01 GMT
Oops. Apart from Rogue One obvs.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 10, 2022 16:57:21 GMT
I imagine some have been caught, the ISB does a record of who's left because they don't want word getting out. They scroll though the names and faces of those unaccounted for and they'll be like "Huh...this Keef guy looks familiar"
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Post by Mark1412 on Nov 10, 2022 18:16:40 GMT
I hope we get to find out Andy's okay. Only annoying thing about that entire incredible section of the show. I imagine it would help create an interesting retrospective on his whole arc on rewatch. He knew that there was no escape for him which helped in his initial mindset we see him. But learning what he does, he helped orchestrate the plan knowing there would be no ship, no easy way to escape for him. Like he said in the episode, "We just have to assume we're all dead anyway", including himself. But he helped regardless, he did his part in order to help the others get out. And he was content with that. On parallel with Luthen's speech later, burning his own life for a sunrise he'll never see.
I know, I know... Great arc and symmetry with the other story - rebellions sacrifice etc. But the look in his eyes. Bloody loved the character by the end and what a performance, wanted everyone to swim him to shore and then we could get a new version of Rogue One with CGI Andy added in . |
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 10, 2022 18:30:48 GMT
Was just about to jump through the TV screen to help him. And I'm not even a good swimmer!
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Post by Mark1412 on Nov 10, 2022 18:31:59 GMT
Me neither but after that speech, I'd have tried!
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 10, 2022 21:49:43 GMT
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Post by darkling on Nov 10, 2022 22:34:36 GMT
I really enjoyed the first series, especially the last few episodes. Was surprised how dark some of it gets.
I was wondering if the story would have worked better starting with the final 3 episodes, to establish sympathy for Andor and a greater sense of peril from the get-go... then have all the plotting and political manoeuvring later, as a slightly different version of the story.
I'm happy with the story as is though.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 10, 2022 22:39:38 GMT
Eh?
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Post by darkling on Nov 10, 2022 22:54:11 GMT
I was basically just wondering if Andor getting imprisoned, escaping, and going on the run would have been a better setup to the series, rather than the ending. Forget I said anything, was just a passing thought. |
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 11, 2022 0:14:13 GMT
It's not over tho? There's 2 more episodes to go.
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Post by khanivor on Nov 11, 2022 5:32:30 GMT
I’m so impressed with how they genuinely make you feel great suspense and even uncertainty over Andor’s fate despite knowing fine well he will survive. The heist was tense but this latest episode. Felt like anything could happen
I’ve said it many times before but I fear the last episode is going to be nearly unbearable
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Post by darkling on Nov 11, 2022 7:14:41 GMT
It's not over tho? There's 2 more episodes to go. I've no idea, I've been watching other things and just let the Andor episodes build up. I assumed they'd all been released by now, and it was just these 10, and there'd be a second series. The last episode felt somewhat conclusive. I understand the confusion now! I don't Google shows I'm watching in case of spoilers and my D+ app doesn't tell you how many episodes to expect. |
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Post by simple on Nov 11, 2022 7:57:05 GMT
I see where the other view is coming from but I think they’ve probably got the balance right with him being reluctantly sympathetic to rebellion and already a capable thief/soldier/spy and then becoming radicalised later.
Like he’s started out as someone who strains against authority but with the arrest and prison he’s realised the Empire isn’t just bullying cops but are actually real Space Nazis doing real Earth Nazi things.
‘One way out’ doesn’t just apply to sthe prison break, its going to be his mission statement for life now.
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Post by Snake on Nov 11, 2022 8:47:27 GMT
That glance Meero shoots at moustache colleague is slightly worrying...
It's clearly played as competitiveness but I wouldn't be surprised if we find moustache dude in the next episode having a citizen who's following him which we as the audience recognise as Syril...Either by her order or of his own accord...
But yeah, great stuff...
I think Mando perfectly caught the fun stuff I associated with Star Wars back when I first saw it, whereas this is where it has matured to, and quite rightly so. Too bad about the bad ratings news/rumours...
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Post by darkling on Nov 11, 2022 9:59:46 GMT
I see where the other view is coming from but I think they’ve probably got the balance right with him being reluctantly sympathetic to rebellion and already a capable thief/soldier/spy and then becoming radicalised later. Like he’s started out as someone who strains against authority but with the arrest and prison he’s realised the Empire isn’t just bullying cops but are actually real Space Nazis doing real Earth Nazi things. ‘One way out’ doesn’t just apply to sthe prison break, its going to be his mission statement for life now. Yeah totally agree about 'One way out' having a universal meaning to the story, I didn't think of that. From the start, I've been a bit unclear about how much Andor, the Rebels and general civilians know about the Empire at this point. I assumed they knew pretty much everything, given how oppressed everyone is. That said, Andor experiencing the "concentration camps" with electrified floors fits in with the endless parallels to the Nazi occupation of Europe and La Resistance, in that the allied forces and most civilians didn't know about concentration camps during the war. Experiencing them first hand and would definitely focus the mind. |
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Post by simple on Nov 11, 2022 10:00:25 GMT
I’d imagine for all the “poor viewing figures” talk its probably trouncing most of Netflix’s non-Stranger Things output since I get the impression its retained viewers or is even gaining through word of mouth whereas most of their stuff falls off a cliff after one episode / the first five minutes of the first episode / whatever their latest stats fiddle is.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 11, 2022 10:48:50 GMT
I wouldn't worry about the viewing figures, the final season is filming now and a lot of that talk was from a site that got it wrong. Disney probably assumed they'd not hit the same level of instant viewership with it any way, The Mandalorian was pretty much Disney+'s launch hit and was pushed as a reason to subscribe in the first place.
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Post by myk on Nov 11, 2022 10:50:56 GMT
If nothing else it's legitimising Disney-era Star Wars. It looked as if they were going to be aiming everything at ages 10-16. Maybe this is just a sop to older fans, but if that's the case I'm still glad it's been made.
There's quite a bit of EU content set post RotJ that would work (with tweaks) in this style. Mando hinted at that kind of thing but being set in the Outer Rim it's always going to be more wild west.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 11:12:10 GMT
I’m surprised it’s taken them this long to be honest. Anyone who saw the original trilogy in cinemas is going to be in their 50’s now and Rogue One showed the move to a more mature storyline with a darker tone is going to work well for that generation.
I liked the Mandalorian too, but this is in a different league and they’ve been lucky to cast extremely well - Skarsgard, O’Reilly and Serkis have been sublime along others, Luna included
I hope they maintain the quality. Another 12 eps each three covering a single year with the finale leading directly to R1 sounds ideal.
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Post by gamingdave on Nov 11, 2022 11:55:00 GMT
I’m so impressed with how they genuinely make you feel great suspense and even uncertainty over Andor’s fate despite knowing fine well he will survive. The heist was tense but this latest episode. Felt like anything could happen I’ve said it many times before but I fear the last episode is going to be nearly unbearable The tension is amazing despite as you say knowing he is going to survive. I had similar (well, the reverse) with Rogue One. I knew they would die, how could they have them survive and not be in ANH, from watching the trailers - loads of new characters massively important to the timeline never showing up again. But when in the cinema, it never really entered my mind till right up to the end. For me, Mando was great as Saturday afternoon matinee stuff, harking back to TV of my childhood and fitting the ethos George set up in the OT and very Star Wars. Andor is, at least from a writing and performance perspective, easily the best output of the entire franchise and could be set anywhere, and yet is very Star Wars in aesthetic and fits the world perfectly, without relying on the obvious tropes or characters. |
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Post by aubergine on Nov 11, 2022 12:17:10 GMT
I think the only characters whose fates are baked in are Andor and Mon Mothma. Anyone else could die any time. Saw Guerrera I guess but he seems like a one-off cameo maybe. Maybe a bigger appearance in season 2.
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