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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 21, 2023 14:29:46 GMT
Unfortunately I need to work too get money to live and I don't hate this place and the people are largely okay. That's about as good as it gets, I just wish I could be more honest about my motivations.
Give me a task and I will do it to the best of my ability and I will want to do it well. But beyond that... meh.
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Post by Triarii on Feb 21, 2023 14:37:26 GMT
Case in point: for 6 months before xmas I was working exclusively on a project which was won by someone who almost immediately left. It was interesting but we had no experience and I felt that we had effectively lied to get it. The client had no idea what they wanted either and there were so many technical problems that I was completely unable to deliver what I planned to. The whole thing was a complete shit show but somehow indicative of the way it is. It wrapped at xmas and since then I've basically felt shell-shocked and unable to really get into anything at all. Despite client saying they're happy and even giving us more work. To make it worse the Corp are for some reason touting what i did as some miracle product, so they're selling it to other clients, and I have to present it all over the place, despite nothing actually existing! I've said over and over again that it needs a ton of R&D behind it but no one cares. In the scheme of things its a drop in the ocean but for me personally its shit. Are you a PM/PO by any chance?
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Post by askew on Feb 21, 2023 16:04:32 GMT
Unfortunately I need to work too get money to live and I don't hate this place and the people are largely okay. That's about as good as it gets, I just wish I could be more honest about my motivations. Give me a task and I will do it to the best of my ability and I will want to do it well. But beyond that... meh. I would hope that you can! Any manager worth their salt appreciates that there are folks who supply solid work but don't wish to 'grow' in their role: recognition through praise and money rather than getting promoted.
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Post by Vortex on Feb 21, 2023 16:09:52 GMT
We've got some right eejit students working with us just now. Lots of weird random shite happening.
I don't know if it's covid-related, due to minimal hands on lab practice, or if we just have a bunch that's skewed to have more of the lower-watt light bulbs than I've ever seen before.
It's a bit worrying.
Last two days i just seem to be spending so much time sorting out shit they've arsed up. Thankfully, one or two seem to know their arse from their elbow.
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Post by Tomo on Feb 21, 2023 16:26:41 GMT
I had a weird one this morning. For the first time in my career, I basically formally complained to my boss about how incompetent someone at work is. Think it just confirms what he already knew, but not a nice thing to have to do, especially as colleague is nice but by far the most useless person I've worked with in a professional capacity. I'm also not the only person in the department who thinks this, but I broke cover first and a colleague backed me up. The person also has to re-apply for their job soon and it looks like they might not get it now... which is going to be potentially very awks, as we're a small group who get along.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Feb 21, 2023 17:29:42 GMT
Is that Tomo patting you on the back? No he's just looking for the soft spot.
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Post by Frog on Feb 21, 2023 18:40:22 GMT
I fucking hate my job and it often makes me wish I was dead rather than having to put up with another day of it. If you are in a position to leave a job you hate you should definitely do it.
I'm kind of trapped for the time being as I'm waiting to hear on something that I would really like to do.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 21, 2023 18:50:15 GMT
I fucking hate my job and it often makes me wish I was dead rather than having to put up with another day of it. If you are in a position to leave a job you hate you should definitely do it. I'm kind of trapped for the time being as I'm waiting to hear on something that I would really like to do. Wishing the best of luck to you Frog. Genuinely.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 21, 2023 18:56:31 GMT
Case in point: for 6 months before xmas I was working exclusively on a project which was won by someone who almost immediately left. It was interesting but we had no experience and I felt that we had effectively lied to get it. The client had no idea what they wanted either and there were so many technical problems that I was completely unable to deliver what I planned to. The whole thing was a complete shit show but somehow indicative of the way it is. It wrapped at xmas and since then I've basically felt shell-shocked and unable to really get into anything at all. Despite client saying they're happy and even giving us more work. To make it worse the Corp are for some reason touting what i did as some miracle product, so they're selling it to other clients, and I have to present it all over the place, despite nothing actually existing! I've said over and over again that it needs a ton of R&D behind it but no one cares. In the scheme of things its a drop in the ocean but for me personally its shit. Are you a PM/PO by any chance? I was going to ask the same. I'm working as a contract Product Manager in Govt after years of the same frustrations as you harrypalmer in private sector, and it's night and day. I've worked on some really interesting and actually useful things, and it's great to be able to deal with stakeholders without sales. Highly recommended.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 21, 2023 20:02:31 GMT
Having to do my yearly objectives and development goals, my manager gave some very valid feedback that it was very transactional, and that I need to highlight how my work will feed into the organisations goals and objectives. But it's transactional because it is transactional. I turn up and work and you pay me. Beyond that I don't really care. Not sure I can really be arsed with the corporate world anymore. No real desire to rise further in the ranks at all. Absolutely no different in the public sector. Just doing a good job is no longer enough. And there's little chance of bonuses etc to make the steps you need to take more palatable. Unless you're a contractor of course.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 21, 2023 21:46:27 GMT
Trowel 🏴Thanks, I have been thinking along the same lines. My partner works public sector and from the outside is does seem to be more like what I want. Although there are obviously still issues. Contract work is probably a good idea.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 21, 2023 21:49:04 GMT
Find yourself a well funded longer term project... contractors are the first to go!
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 21, 2023 21:55:22 GMT
Trowel 🏴Thanks, I have been thinking along the same lines. My partner works public sector and from the outside is does seem to be more like what I want. Although there are obviously still issues. Contract work is probably a good idea. If you go umbrella inside IR35 it's basically contracting without the admin and still a heck of a day rate. You have to weigh it all up the risks of job security (as Dougs says), no employer pension contributions, etc., and it can be difficult to care about a role you know you'll leave, but for me the flexibility and variety has been priceless. Plus delivering front page Covid services was an experience that I'll wear proudly for life, and I'd never have had the chance to do that in any other walk of life.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 21, 2023 22:18:55 GMT
The yearly review/feedback with my boss takes less than a minute these days. He makes some vague promises that I know won’t happen because he hasn’t the authority then tells me how he’s going to try to give me a slightly higher pay raise than average because they want me to stay and that some people that work for me get more than I do but they shouldn’t because they’re shit.
I’ll then get some completely pointless objectives to tick the box.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 21, 2023 23:10:49 GMT
Am I your boss?!
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Post by deebs on Feb 21, 2023 23:23:17 GMT
Got a pay raise today, not huge, but it's an extra $135 a week, but not before I kicked off about being shat on daily.
I'm a decent carpenter and was given a whole shop to run as I please, which was a mess when I arrived. So I fix and maintain all the machines, clean (we had a cleaner, but he died a couple of months ago), organize the wood, do everything asked of me and get lumbered (excellent pun, that) with awful cut jobs that involve slicing hundreds of 4x8 sheets of OSB, lauan and non-com (horrible red plywood) into stupid little strips. It's occasionally tolerable, but it's very much a case of too many chiefs and not enough Indians in the place and none knowing what the other has me doing, so it can get crazy. Throw in huge semis delivering tons of all manner of shit that I have to drop everything and take care of immediately. On top of that, I have a couple of part timers who are doing some of the carpentry work and leaving. I have to pick up after them and they are fucking shit, so I have to either babysit them or fix their shit later before I can send it out.
Well, no more after today, but it took me seeing the state of some of that crap and tossing the lot, remaking it, then going into the office to tell the honchos I was done.
Worked out I spose, but it got the oafs fired, which makes me feel bad, but reduces my total workload by about half. It's not that I hate the job, but it was a drag having to carry them. They're not even that much older than me, they were just careless slobs.
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Post by Triarii on Feb 22, 2023 10:53:46 GMT
I was going to ask the same. I'm working as a contract Product Manager in Govt after years of the same frustrations as you harrypalmer in private sector, and it's night and day. I've worked on some really interesting and actually useful things, and it's great to be able to deal with stakeholders without sales. Highly recommended. That's interesting, do you have many professional certs? I'm sort of having the opposite of Harry's problem. I reskilled in my company from a dev to a project manager but it was pretty half-arsed so I got essentially no training. I'm currently "managing" 5 projects but I think I'm doing about 45 minutes of work per week. It's strangely soul-crushing.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 22, 2023 11:03:59 GMT
No-one likes to be bored. I was in between roles for about 2 months some 6 years ago (still employed but essentially kicking my heels until I found a proper job). First 2 weeks were great, but then I was bored rigid and started to go a little spare.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 22, 2023 11:08:01 GMT
I had three months off between jobs and absolutely loved it. Probably helped that it was the summer, so I just lived in a hammock and read a ridiculous amount of books.
I reckon I could easily retire today and not go nuts.
I think about my retirement date a lot...
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Post by Triarii on Feb 22, 2023 11:30:09 GMT
I had three months off between jobs and absolutely loved it. Probably helped that it was the summer, so I just lived in a hammock and read a ridiculous amount of books. I reckon I could easily retire today and not go nuts. I think about my retirement date a lot... I actually feel the same. However, when you have to log on every morning and make sure your Teams status isn't Away for too long it limits your options, somewhat. I'm at the stage where I go to the gym for 90 minutes during lunch 3 or 4 times per week.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 22, 2023 11:37:49 GMT
Aye. I've been going for walks on my lunch break. Often get close to the 30 minute point where I need to turn back and think "I could just keep walking..."
I should really look for a different job I suppose, but no idea what I'd do. My heart hasn't been in IT for a while now.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 22, 2023 11:45:14 GMT
That's just it... there's a difference between having a period of gardening leave or unemployment (if you can afford it) to do what you want, and having to online/in work with sod all to do.
Retirement features high up in my thoughts too. I look at my pension prediction far more than I should.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 22, 2023 12:01:56 GMT
I was going to ask the same. I'm working as a contract Product Manager in Govt after years of the same frustrations as you harrypalmer in private sector, and it's night and day. I've worked on some really interesting and actually useful things, and it's great to be able to deal with stakeholders without sales. Highly recommended. That's interesting, do you have many professional certs? I'm sort of having the opposite of Harry's problem. I reskilled in my company from a dev to a project manager but it was pretty half-arsed so I got essentially no training. I'm currently "managing" 5 projects but I think I'm doing about 45 minutes of work per week. It's strangely soul-crushing. I've got a few certs, but they're the sort of thing that anyone could get. Comms skills and experience with understanding users and their requirements are the main things you need, and you'll have a lot of that from your dev time, whether you know it or not. I've worked with devs and project managers who've slipped into agile roles, usually as delivery managers.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 22, 2023 12:10:56 GMT
I’d love to retire at the earliest opportunity but kids kinda ruined that plan for ten years at least.
Even if I did somehow retire now I couldn’t do what I want to do (lots of travel) so within a week of it I reckon I’d be sat in my pants watching Judge Judy all day long.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 22, 2023 12:14:49 GMT
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Post by dam on Feb 22, 2023 12:17:19 GMT
Anyone I know who's retired says they can't figure out how they fitted in working. I'm sure I'd find enough to keep me occupied.
That reminds me, need to work on my sex contact app for the over 60s. Blinder?
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Post by Zuluhero on Feb 22, 2023 12:18:53 GMT
I'd like to retire early, but I still have 25 years of this nonsense to put up with.
Will Judge Judy even still be on in that time...
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 22, 2023 12:19:23 GMT
In the past I've worked as a freelance animator / illustrator. It's a gig based job but I was shit at networking and finding jobs so I was frequently "between jobs"
Some of these periods were several months long. I fucking loved it. Sat around playing games. I did say I was shit at finding jobs.
After graduating I did nothing for 6 months. Just watched 24 on DVD. It was amazing.
If I could maintain my current level of comfort (which is far from extravagant) and simply never work again, I would.
In fact, that is my dream. Though I know I'll never actually realise it.
Ultimately work is the thing that gets in the way of doing things I like. I don't like that system but I'm at peace with the system.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 22, 2023 13:42:29 GMT
When I was on the dole after graduation I completed Champ Man 96/97. Twice. That's 30 seasons each time - I got through one of the playthoughs in a week, basically 12 hours a day.
My retirement plan is already sorted.
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Post by LegendaryApe on Feb 22, 2023 14:02:07 GMT
I had three months off between jobs and absolutely loved it. Probably helped that it was the summer, so I just lived in a hammock and read a ridiculous amount of books. I reckon I could easily retire today and not go nuts. I think about my retirement date a lot... I actually feel the same. However, when you have to log on every morning and make sure your Teams status isn't Away for too long it limits your options, somewhat. I'm at the stage where I go to the gym for 90 minutes during lunch 3 or 4 times per week. There are ways to make your teams status stay green, when away from the computer. Not that I do that, if course..
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