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Post by 😎 on Apr 26, 2022 16:37:39 GMT
They really need to improve the “great on deck” section of the store. No matter if I’m on the deck, mobile app or desktop client it just continually bounces around and doesn’t let me do much in the way of filtering. Just give me a sortable list, ffs.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Apr 26, 2022 17:14:26 GMT
Still waiting... 512GB UK gaining about 15 seconds per drop...
My biggest concerns with this model remain the battery life and SteamOS (I liked having access to anything for Windows, particularly emulators on my older windows gaming tablet).
Specwise the GpdMax2 sounds better but it will be costlier and you have more potential quality control issues. Aya going for OLED is interesting too. I almost went for a OneXPlayer last year but couldn't quite afford it at the time.
After all of this I can see me having the Deck, liking it but having no time to play it...
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Post by kal on Apr 26, 2022 19:48:04 GMT
If the yearly model upgrades work for phones why wouldn't it work for steam deck. I don't think you can compare the two markets. The yearly phone rebuyer is almost always an apple customer, which is a very closed market with limited model selection. The reason for yearly rebuy is basically the same as with fashion, something that should be difficult to attain for what is in essence a handheld gaming pc. I'm not saying a yearly Steam Deck can't be a thing, but it is in my opinion something very different from the yearly iPhone release. Releasing one every year doesn’t mean every customer buys one every year. Most people are on a 3 year cycle with phones at least. Given the pace at which PC tech moves a relatively regular incremental update doesn’t seem unlikely to me, IF this is a big success. |
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Post by dominalien on Apr 28, 2022 12:23:46 GMT
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Post by erniewhatbert on Apr 29, 2022 11:29:55 GMT
I get that this is a good thing, because setting the fps limit to 40 with the display running at 40hz means consistent frame pacing, and 40fps is a bit of a sweet spot in relation to responsiveness vs power draw. Are these displays really designed for different refresh rates, however? |
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Post by dominalien on Apr 29, 2022 19:13:24 GMT
I... what? I guess it's conceivable Valve through malice or incompetence are putting in a user-facing setting that'll brick their product, but perhaps maybe not?
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2022 19:19:39 GMT
Yes, they’re designed to support it. VRR from 30-60hz is built into both the display and the GPU. That being said it’s not strictly speaking enabled, it just means that it running at any refresh rate between 30-60 isn’t an issue.
VRR is probably the wrong term to describe it tbh, but either way 40hz is fine. Many laptops drop to 40hz in power saving mode for instance, it’s a robust and well understood thing.
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Post by dominalien on Apr 29, 2022 19:39:39 GMT
It's not VRR though, is it. IIRC they've stated explicitly it doesn't support that. It's just setting the display refresh to less than 60. I'm really looking forward to seeing how 40 Hz works, I don't have a 120 Hz display so couldn't check out R&C.
That said, my Deck took more than 24 hours to do a couple hundred kilometres from the Netherlands to somewhere in the middle of Germany. I'll be making a very sad face if it doesn't turn up on Monday.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2022 19:48:32 GMT
Yeah, wrong term really. What I really meant is that the GPU and display are perfectly content to pump out whatever hz and frame rate it can manage, up to 60hz. I think only some TVs have shitfits with refresh rate changes and can break, and they tend to lock that out completely unless you do edid overriding.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Apr 29, 2022 20:01:38 GMT
I think the point is that they aren’t feeding a 40hz signal to a 60hz screen, which either gives you uneven frame pacing or tearing, but the screen actually refreshes at 40hz.
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Post by dominalien on Apr 29, 2022 20:03:55 GMT
I think only some TVs have shitfits with refresh rate changes and can break, and they tend to lock that out completely unless you do edid overriding. Well, it's Valve's hardware and software, so they can do whatever they want. |
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 29, 2022 20:55:39 GMT
Also saw that there is a beta update that will be changing the fan speed curve. It will supposedly run a little hotter, but make the fan quite a bit quieter. Seems the noise is a common complaint so hopefully this will reduce one of the marks against it.
Anyone tried that out yet?
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Post by zagibu on Apr 29, 2022 21:06:20 GMT
I would probably mostly play with headphones anyway.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2022 21:13:36 GMT
Hah, I'm an idiot. I was getting annoyed with how long downloads were taking, even though it was maxing out the download limit I set (50MB)...except somehow I'd toggled the "show download speed in b not B" and it was actually maxing out at 50Mb.
Reason I have a limit in the first place is Steam, unlike all other apps and devices I have, decides that unlimited = ignore QoS and absolutely max out bandwidth. If I leave Steam unfettered it kills everything else. I should probably investigate why at some point, but eh.
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Post by dfunked on Apr 29, 2022 21:39:49 GMT
Haha, yep. I've tried QoS, but just found it simpler to throttle steam as that seems to be the only thing that really makes my connection suffer.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 29, 2022 22:59:40 GMT
Other things about downloading I really don’t like:
* inability to turn the screen off while downloading. I know it’s an LED and burn in isn’t likely but ugh. You can kind of work around this with desktop mode but it’s not perfect.
* no downloading in standby - but I get that this is probably a huge challenge to do on PC architecture
* not hugely feasible to download while playing something else. Yeah, you can technically do it, but it destroys performance, so you can only play relatively simple games.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 30, 2022 8:31:00 GMT
Is it possible to transfer games locally rather than having to download them over the Internet?
I'm sure you could manually do it through the desktop part, but it would be convenient to do it through the Deck interface. I can imagine that many of the games I will play on the Deck will also be ones I'm playing on my desktop, so it would be good to be able to just download it once and send over the network at what would probably be about 20x the speed for me.
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Post by dfunked on Apr 30, 2022 8:39:55 GMT
Yeah, I meant to ask that. I tend to back up some larger games to my NAS, so would be nice if I can just restore from there at 14x my internet speed rather than multiple hour downloads. I can always just chuck them on a portable HDD too I guess.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Apr 30, 2022 10:28:38 GMT
Also saw that there is a beta update that will be changing the fan speed curve. It will supposedly run a little hotter, but make the fan quite a bit quieter. Seems the noise is a common complaint so hopefully this will reduce one of the marks against it. Anyone tried that out yet? It’s much quieter in the Steam menu, in games it still ramps up as needed, but it changes speed more aggressively. So instead of a constant wine it’s much more variable now. I play with airpods though, doesn’t really bother me. |
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Post by 😎 on Apr 30, 2022 13:58:49 GMT
Is it possible to transfer games locally rather than having to download them over the Internet? I'm sure you could manually do it through the desktop part, but it would be convenient to do it through the Deck interface. I can imagine that many of the games I will play on the Deck will also be ones I'm playing on my desktop, so it would be good to be able to just download it once and send over the network at what would probably be about 20x the speed for me. Yes and no. Some games have Linux specific (or even Deck specific) builds available, so those games you wouldn’t want to download and transfer on a Windows PC as you’d end up with the slower Proton build. If the Deck is a success you’ll begin to see that more and more. |
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Post by dominalien on May 1, 2022 6:37:15 GMT
I don’t remember Steam necessarily triggering a full-game redownload when switching between native and proton, so a game backup made on a different system could still be useful. I’m sure you can switch between game versions on the Steam Deck as well.
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Post by neilch on May 3, 2022 11:07:40 GMT
I don’t remember Steam necessarily triggering a full-game redownload when switching between native and proton, so a game backup made on a different system could still be useful. I’m sure you can switch between game versions on the Steam Deck as well. Switching between Proton versions does kick off a small download, pre-shader caching? Missed when the update happened, but if I open the multi-tasking window via with the Steam button after starting an Edge session for Xcloud gaming it recognises the controller. Had a good session of Forza 5 last night. I need to override some permissions for Chrome/Stadia+GFN to work as well, which is tonight's test Also the Steam Verified updates seem to have slowed a lot. E.g. Tekken 7 is still listed as unsupported but I have played most modes story/offline/online and not had any issues yet. Similar story with Surviving Mars, some small issues that would probably make it "Playable" at least |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on May 3, 2022 21:03:24 GMT
The UK 256/512GB queues are crawling along... I am less than 200 off the rtreserve time on the order threads for the 512GB but with it moving about 30 seconds each batch ...
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Post by dominalien on May 4, 2022 7:49:01 GMT
I just got the "your SD is one of the first to come out of the factory, your bios needs to be updated" message someone mentioned a few pages back. So Valve has been sitting on it the past few months waiting for my place in the queue to come up?
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Post by Fake_Blood on May 4, 2022 8:59:31 GMT
Every time you check the status of your order it gets bumped to the back of the queue.
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Post by kal on May 4, 2022 9:28:18 GMT
Also the Steam Verified updates seem to have slowed a lot. E.g. Tekken 7 is still listed as unsupported but I have played most modes story/offline/online and not had any issues yet. Similar story with Surviving Mars, some small issues that would probably make it "Playable" at least I was wondering about this. My list of supported games barely seems to have changed since the site first launched. It might not have updated at all in fact. It’s been worrying me a bit but I guess they have more important things to worry about. |
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Post by 😎 on May 4, 2022 10:24:51 GMT
Also the Steam Verified updates seem to have slowed a lot. E.g. Tekken 7 is still listed as unsupported but I have played most modes story/offline/online and not had any issues yet. Similar story with Surviving Mars, some small issues that would probably make it "Playable" at least I was wondering about this. My list of supported games barely seems to have changed since the site first launched. It might not have updated at all in fact. It’s been worrying me a bit but I guess they have more important things to worry about. If it helps ease the worry, the broad number of official tags has grown considerably.  Also worth highlighting that a lot of games marked as unverified or unsupported actually work fine, especially if you use experimental proton. It just might need some manual config or controller tweaks. To hit playable/verified, it basically means that you can start playing straight away without any other setup. The number of games that absolutely do not work is pretty small, and is mostly stuff that uses anti-cheat or weird drm. www.protondb.com/ Is a way better resource for checking if something will work Vs the Valve tags. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on May 4, 2022 10:44:04 GMT
I don’t even look at the verified tag, maybe I have a boring library but everything has worked so far.
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Post by erniewhatbert on May 4, 2022 11:12:19 GMT
Every time you check the status of your order it gets bumped to the back of the queue. I'm doomed. |
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Post by emperorzaphod on May 4, 2022 11:37:24 GMT
I got the email on Monday (64gb). Haven't been this excited about a new toy in years. Looking forward to retiring my Vita as my go to emulation device.
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