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Post by Dougs on Mar 12, 2022 9:38:19 GMT
I thought he was awful, but all options valid!
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 12, 2022 9:42:10 GMT
He was fine. He had nothing to work with though.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Mar 12, 2022 10:28:57 GMT
Yeah, I thought he was pretty terrible. He didn’t sound anything like Alec Guinness either, just someone putting on crap posh voice.
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Post by Lukus on Mar 12, 2022 10:41:50 GMT
Yeah, that was my beef too. It was as painful as watching Jon Culshaw.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 12, 2022 10:43:30 GMT
It was the worst I've seen him act in anything. But then again that's true for everyone in the cast except Christopher Lee who is great in everything.
It's not their fault.
But the way they're trying to go for a Luke/Han banter situation with first Qui-Gon/Obi and then Obi/Anakin and it just doesn't work at all because it's all so fake and lacking in humanity is painful to watch.
Not blaming Ewan for that in particular, but I think it might have been at least a little more charismatic if he wasn't using half his focus to do the dumb accent all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 10:53:07 GMT
Has he been good in anything outside of Trainspotting? And maybe Fargo.
Actually, off the top of my head I can't even think what else he's been in.
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Post by Vortex on Mar 12, 2022 10:54:48 GMT
Yeah, that was my beef too. It was as painful as watching Jon Culshaw. Ooft. That's harsh. Culshaw is utter shite, it wasn't *quite* that bad. |
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Post by Vortex on Mar 12, 2022 10:55:41 GMT
Has he been good in anything outside of Trainspotting? And maybe Fargo. Actually, off the top of my head I can't even think what else he's been in. Shallow grave is good too. Rest, mostly shite. I guess it helps pay for more M0t0rb1k3s. I had to see moulin rouge with my missus. That was awful, but i'm sure the pay was ok. |
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Post by anephric on Mar 12, 2022 11:19:20 GMT
He's excellent in Doctor Sleep.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 12, 2022 12:20:21 GMT
Yeah, he was decent in that.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Mar 12, 2022 12:35:53 GMT
Salmon Fishing in the Yemen sticks in my mind as a particular low, but then I remembered him parachuting from an exploding helicopter in Angels and Demons.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 12, 2022 13:21:03 GMT
Moulin Rouge is ace!
He was good in A Life Less Ordinary, and Brassed off, and Big Fish.
He's been in a shed load of movies, most of which I haven't seen though. Never thought of him as bad in anything.
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Post by KD on Mar 12, 2022 13:31:12 GMT
Black Hawk Down was good, not sure it was because of him.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 12, 2022 13:37:48 GMT
I was gonna mention that one, but it was such an ensemble cast thing that I don't remember him all that much.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 12, 2022 13:38:53 GMT
Moulin Rouge as a film is great. A proper assault on the senses. McGregor is ok in it, can just about carry a tune.
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Post by Red_Bool on Mar 12, 2022 14:08:47 GMT
Fun fact: My wife wanted to watch Moulin Rouge. Well, ok then.
In the end I loved it and she hated it 😁
I remember the Madonna cover made me laugh out loud.
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Post by HoriZon on Mar 13, 2022 15:13:02 GMT
Looking forward to this one.
Though the inquisitors look wrong.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Mar 14, 2022 21:24:39 GMT
If you've ever wanted to see Ewan McGregor jumping around bollock naked on a stage and covered in body glitter while angry hippies throw molotov cocktails at him, Velvet Goldmine is the film for you.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 14, 2022 22:07:00 GMT
Honestly, it hasn’t come up.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 14, 2022 23:36:22 GMT
On the prequels in general, they are of course terrible, but there is great potential there. The basic arc is a classic tragedy. Obviously the fall for Anakin, but taken from Obi Wan's perspective too you have the death of his master and a desire to follow his final wish to train Anakin and to bring this saviour figure to power, only for him to fail at the task. He is blind to the path that Anakin takes, not only his apprentice, but his friend. It isn't original, but it is plenty of juicy stuff.
Plus you have the wider story of Palpatine's rise to power, creating fake enemies all around and bringing a galactic power that has existed for centuries crashing down. It's a tale that is always relevant.
It is all squandered though. Obi Wan spends pretty much the entire time away from Anakin, never letting us actually see any kind of relationship between them, other than being told that it is there. Anakin's story is wasted by having him being an annoying kid from a third of the story (why on earth they didn't have him the same age as Luke is beyond me), and too much time spent on poorly written romance. The Clone Wars is skipped entirely over too, when it should have started at the end of the first film and been the focus for the second.
You can clearly see what they were going for though and with a bit more planning, some extra pair of eyes on the scripts and probably someone else directing they could have been great.
In comparison, the sequel trilogy are probably better made films, but they are beyond saving as a trilogy. There is just nothing really there across the three films to be interested in. Ren and Rey are okay, but besides that there are no real hooks. So much so, that they have to chuck in the Emperor at the end just to have something. The whole First Order is deeply uninteresting and given no real reason to exist, beyond them just wanting to repeat the original trilogy.
Wherever the film series goes, hopefully they will do something completely different. The TV series have wallowed in nostalgia a lot, which is fine, but not that interesting. Still not actually watched Boba Fett, but have more interest in this.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 15, 2022 0:04:15 GMT
The nice thing about S1 of The Mandalorian was that it didn't really wallow in nostalgia, other than the design of the thing. It went off and did its own thing in the world.
It was mainly the nice thing about Rogue One as well.
It is a shame that the Prequels never really captured all that stuff that you mentioned. When you write it down like that it sounds great, but you almost never get a sense of any of that in the actual movies.
I think they *did* have some extra pairs of eyes on the script.. i vaguely remember Ron Howard or someone seeing an early version and telling George it needed major changes. Plus they brought in extra writers for the 2nd and 3rd ones... though it didn't seem to really help.
I agree that making Ani older would probably have helped. It'd have removed some of the shitty bits from Ep1, and allowed them to get started on the Ani/Padme romance a bit earlier.
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 15, 2022 15:36:10 GMT
I hope you're all prepared for more LUKE.
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Post by britesparc on Mar 15, 2022 16:30:53 GMT
I'm very, very positive on the prequels, in the sense that I really, really enjoy watching them. Are they "good" films? Well-made? I don't know, I just know that they stir exactly the same emotions within me that the original trilogy did. And it's not as if I was a little kid when they came out; I was 17 when I saw The Phantom Menace.
I think, for me, it's partly the great over-arching themes - much more interesting themes than in other Star Wars movies. Not just the fall of Anakin, but the fall of the whole Republic; how self-interest allows facism to take root in otherwise utopic institutions. Also the hubris of the Jedi. None of them are bad - they're absolutely the good guys - but they're so sure of their power that they refuse to question their decisions. And then there are just some amazing visuals and really exciting fight choreography. There's nothing I enjoy more in Star Wars than the lightsaber fights in the prequels.
So all of that, for me, outweighs the bad dialogue, the flat staging, and the dodgy decisions (I agree that it would have made more sense for Anakin to be older from the off; I know Lucas wanted it so he was young enough that leaving his mother was a genuine wrench, but it made everything just a bit more awkward).
One thing I do really love, though, is it's all Lucas' unfiltered weirdness. I don't think I can latch onto the sequels quite so much because it all feels a bit more corporate, which is probably unfair; it feels "what bits of Star Wars did we like? Let's do that again" rather than some crazy left-field turn. I saw part of an interview where Lucas said if he'd made his own sequel trilogy it would have gone deep into the nature of midichlorians and the Force, which on one hand sounds terrible but on the other at least would be something wild and different.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 16:37:01 GMT
Thank fuck Lucas didn't!
More generally, whilst I agree with some.of your points re the lore, the terrible plot and acting just does my head in. Trade disputes? Half arsed romance? Fuck off! Even the saber battles are a bit shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 16:52:08 GMT
I think they're genuinely 3 of the worst films ever made. With literally no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Each one worse than the last.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 16:53:09 GMT
There's scenes I don't mind. But overall, yeah, garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 16:57:35 GMT
The Darth Maul fight is ok, particularly the music. Other than that every single scene, every single idea, every single design choice, every visual, line of dialogue, story decision. Just everything is absolutely dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 16:59:31 GMT
"Where is Padme. Is she... OK?"
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 16:59:49 GMT
I don't even mind the pod race. I mean, it's not great, but in comparison to the rest of it, it stands out.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 17:00:31 GMT
"Where is Padme. Is she... OK?" nNNNnnnnnnnOOOOOOOooooOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOOO Genuinely laughed out loud at that in the cinema. But then I also laughed at the end of Titanic. |
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