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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 17:06:00 GMT
I don't even mind the pod race. I mean, it's not great, but in comparison to the rest of it, it stands out. It would be OK if you felt any connection or emotional investment with that little onion headed fuck. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 17:08:37 GMT
I was in my late teens when Episode III came out, and I remember sqwuak laughing at Anakin turning the lightsaber on the padawans.
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Post by britesparc on Mar 15, 2022 17:12:47 GMT
Ah, you're all a bunch of miserable bastards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 17:17:22 GMT
I think you've smoked one too many death sticks.
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Post by Lukus on Mar 15, 2022 17:29:05 GMT
I remember a friend at school bought all the toys before the prequels came out in brazen attempt at one-man-up-ship (as I loved the OT and had a few cool collectibles and his thing was copying other people's things). Then when we watched Phantom Menace and discovered it was a stinking pile of disappointment, he had to pretend he really liked it so as not to look silly. Which obviously made us lose even more respect for him.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 18:35:36 GMT
Ah, you're all a bunch of miserable bastards. They could have been saved by a bloody good edit. |
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Post by britesparc on Mar 15, 2022 18:37:51 GMT
I think you've smoked one too many death sticks. Are you saying I need to go home and rethink my life? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 18:40:41 GMT
I think britespark might be Lukus' friend that bought all the toys.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 15, 2022 18:45:09 GMT
I have mixed feelings about them.
Objectively, I know that Decks and Dougs are right and that they're just basically toss.
But I first saw them at a time in my life when any distraction from everything else was welcome beyond my ability to describe and for that reason, they have a fond(ish) place in my heart.
e2a: But they are shit.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 19:27:50 GMT
I almost feel like that with TPM. Almost. But the others are just awful. As Decks says, they get progressively worse.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 15, 2022 19:40:23 GMT
I would say peak awfulness is with Attack of the Clones. Revenge is marginally better, but not much. For all the hate directed at it, TPM some how manages to be the best of the bunch.
One element of the prequels that is great is the music though. Williams knocked it out of the park with the soundtracks for each one. One of the biggest disappointments with the sequel trilogy was how half arsed his soundtrack seemed to be, which makes me less enthusiastic to hear he is working on Obi Wan.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Mar 15, 2022 19:41:16 GMT
Crap acting and dull plots aside, even the costume, character and ship designs are utter wank in the prequels.
Those fucking robots soldier things are so crap, along with the massive turd brown boxes they turn up. The clone soldiers are Aldi stormtroopers. The crappy 50s sci-fi fighters are dreadful, especially when compared to x-wings et al, and those shit ring ships the dodgy accent aliens have are bollocks compared to star destroyers.
I hate them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 19:42:33 GMT
I think Clones is the best, personally. It is corny, but it at least gives Anakin a good reason to turn dark. Sith just has him wake up from a sweaty nightmare and suddenly he's slaughtering children and his closest friends.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 15, 2022 19:43:59 GMT
All of them are shit but still better than whatever the mess that episode 9 was.
Just.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 19:55:29 GMT
TPM has its moments and gets a bit of leeway because the 2 after were utter wank.
Darth Maul saved TPM from being utter wank.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 20:07:08 GMT
I like the prequels, in fact have just finished watching them.
There's plenty of bad but I think that people hold the original three up to be something they aren't sometimes.
Don't get me wrong, the originals are brilliant but they are hokey and don't actually contain much in the way of good acting.
In fact I think Mark Hamill was a markedly better actor in the newer trilogy.
The prequels had plenty of Star Wars feel to me, they remembered the screen wipes which Abrams replaced with lens flare. I would say that they de-romanticised it all though. The newer three got the spiritual element far better.
The prequel CGI is pretty indefensible and that takes me out of it far faster than lakes on Naboo or coarse sand. The terrain in the battle with the Gungans looks like Halo on the OG Xbox. This had improved a lot by Revenge but they appear to be almost entirely greenscreen.
Whoever made the comment about the rise of fascism hit the nail on the head for the worth of those films though. I think it's brilliantly done and is always a relevant topic. McDiarmid was great in them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 20:32:33 GMT
The rise of fascism was brilliantly done? Really? Its barely Saturday morning cartoon level stuff. It's like saying The Racoons was an in depth think piece on the pitfalls of capitalism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 20:48:47 GMT
In the context of a children's sci-fi action film with teddy bears and magic space wizards, which is what Star Wars is, yes, I think it was excellently done.
The Empire's back story was much more successful than Darth Vader's. Marshalling the populace over trade agreements. False flags, ineffective peace keeping bodies, apathy towards distant conflicts, debating in chambers, emergency powers won under false pretences and never let go, all that business.
If I compare that to a New Hope's common or garden Dark Lord Vs Princess, and binary, Tolkien-esque good Vs evil schtick, I think the prequels are a bit more interesting yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 21:00:07 GMT
Wow ok.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 21:11:38 GMT
All of them are shit but still better than whatever the mess that episode 9 was. Just. I enjoyed 9 at the cinema but I've not watched it since, despite owning the Blu-ray. Probably speaks volumes. I've watched TFA loads, great fun, if more than a little by the numbers. |
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 15, 2022 21:25:42 GMT
TFA was a bit too much of a rehash/nostalgia fest than I’d like but on the whole it was fairly well made. It’s a shame that trilogy was so disjointed as there is good stuff in there.
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Post by Lukus on Mar 15, 2022 21:58:20 GMT
Here's a weird thing I've just realised when checking when TPM came out (I thought I was at school but it turns out I was in sixth form) - there was 16 years between RotJ being released and TPM. Then just 10 years between RotS and TFA.
Somehow that makes no sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 22:04:49 GMT
I wasn't alive when any of the original trilogy came out, but was for the prequels and sequels so... math checks out for me. 👀
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Post by Saul1138 on Mar 16, 2022 3:40:21 GMT
The best bits in the ST, IMHO, was what Rian Johnson introduced. The idea that anyone could become the chosen one to defeat the threat was a great contrast to the idea that predestined families took a role in all the pivotal matters. Then JJ came back and undid it all. To promote Fortnite I think.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 16, 2022 4:17:07 GMT
I will say that I enjoyed TPM and AotC the first time I saw them in the cinema. As someone said, the Williams music does a lot of the heavy lifting, and it takes a lot to make lightsabers+spaceships+epic score into something unenjoyable.
Even at first viewing in the theater there were annoyances, but I was wowed enough by the good parts that I could overlook them at the time. Plus seeing TPM in the theater just had the freshness of there being a new star wars movie, in the theater(!!!!)
But attempting to rewatch them is much more hard work. And for some reason Revenge of the Sith never captured my feelings in the same way that I could overlook the clunkiness.
All the stuff with the jedi hubris and the chancellor's sneaky plot to overthrow democracy with fake wars sounds great in summary, but in reality it just came across as a bit of a confused mess.
It was never really all that clear why anyone was doing anything. The jedi weren't really doing anything at all. The main military conflict of the series was basically fake, and so it largely didn't matter.
The idea of cheering on the troopers as they went off to fight the 'bad guys' was kinda clever, but the payoff didn't really appear.
I mean, there are parts where the bad guys straight up tell the good guys what they're doing, and the good guys don't believe them because reasons.
If they'd started with older Anikin, they could have built his relationship with Obi and Padme better. They could also have had more of the different Jedi investigating and searching for the sith (and not being idiots) which would have made the betrayal by the Troopers more heartrending.
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 16, 2022 7:33:25 GMT
All of them are shit but still better than whatever the mess that episode 9 was. Just. I enjoyed 9 at the cinema but I've not watched it since, despite owning the Blu-ray. Probably speaks volumes. I've watched TFA loads, great fun, if more than a little by the numbers. I thought TFA was pretty great for a Star Wars prequel, far too much like ANH but had the right feel, was fun, had likeable new characters. I was well optimistic for the rest of the trilogy but sadly there was no real trilogy, no planning just a mess. I still can't believe they went ahead with a trilogy like that without having the story mapped out from the beginning. |
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Post by Dougs on Mar 16, 2022 7:46:28 GMT
Yeah, pretty poor. I may need a rewatch of 4-9, plus Rogue One. I don't think I can stomach the prequels.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 8:18:35 GMT
I've just finished reading 1984 so I'm planning on rewatching The Phantom Menace again to see if I can pick apart what the Trade Federations blockade of Naboo was really about.
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 16, 2022 8:54:02 GMT
I absolutely loathe Episode 2 but I'd rather watch that back to back than any of the sequels.. absolutely awful fan service.
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Post by Lukus on Mar 16, 2022 9:18:48 GMT
I've just remembered how unconvincing Samuel L Jackson is as an elite level Jedi master, flailing his arms around like he's trying to find himself on psychedelics.
And the ease with which 99% of the galaxy's Jedis were slaughtered. I guess they weren't very skilled after all.
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