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Post by askew on Oct 11, 2022 12:41:42 GMT
Bring back wattle and daub
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Post by cubby on Oct 11, 2022 12:45:46 GMT
Great double act.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 11, 2022 13:20:07 GMT
As discussed a lot in the DIY thread, beware of cavity wall insulation in older houses. It just leads to condensation and then black spot mold. The moisture has to go somewhere. This... is not what I've experienced. I've had cavity wall insulation in the front of my Victorian house for the last decade with no issues at all. From what I understand, the problems come from not having a well maintained outer brickwork i.e needs repointing, spoiling of the brick faces etc. and more importantly, whether that wall faces the predominant wind direction - that I think is the real culprit. If you've the wind forcing rain against your house you're going to get a lot of moisture ingress that as you say has to go somewhere and cavity filling will allow it to wick across to the inner brickwork. The front of my house is in the lee of the wind and rarely if ever gets wet from rainfall and it's all been fine. So I think it's more of a 'can work in some situations' for old houses, rather than a blanket "never do this". I wouldn't say it's made an amazing difference to heat loss though, but I guess every little helps. Interesting - a damp specialist who did some work on my old victorian cottage was pretty scathing, and my mum's 1930s bungalow suffers after they had it done. Wind direction may explain some of the condensation we get at the front of our house, which is SW facing. Pointing etc is fine but... edit: I see some of this has been covered!
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Post by geefe on Oct 11, 2022 13:58:42 GMT
All that you're telling me is don't get cavity wall. Will it be the next PPI?
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Post by henroben on Oct 11, 2022 14:13:54 GMT
This... is not what I've experienced. I've had cavity wall insulation in the front of my Victorian house for the last decade with no issues at all. From what I understand, the problems come from not having a well maintained outer brickwork i.e needs repointing, spoiling of the brick faces etc. and more importantly, whether that wall faces the predominant wind direction - that I think is the real culprit. If you've the wind forcing rain against your house you're going to get a lot of moisture ingress that as you say has to go somewhere and cavity filling will allow it to wick across to the inner brickwork. The front of my house is in the lee of the wind and rarely if ever gets wet from rainfall and it's all been fine. So I think it's more of a 'can work in some situations' for old houses, rather than a blanket "never do this". I wouldn't say it's made an amazing difference to heat loss though, but I guess every little helps. Interesting - a damp specialist who did some work on my old victorian cottage was pretty scathing, and my mum's 1930s bungalow suffers after they had it done. Wind direction may explain some of the condensation we get at the front of our house, which is SW facing. Pointing etc is fine but... edit: I see some of this has been covered! All I can say is that I've had zero problems with either condensation or mould in my house after having cavity wall insulation done, and neither have any of my neighbours who had it done that I know of. It is however often touted as a kind of magic bullet solution for wall insulation and I suspect it's actually just one option out of many that *can* be a benefit in some situations and cause issues in others. We're probably just lucky that the orientation of the street means the front of the houses rarely get wet!
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Post by Vortex on Oct 11, 2022 14:24:42 GMT
Cavity wall insulation also fine in my shitty 70's built gaff.
Some folk by us block up the ventilation holes around the bottom of the walls at winter which may cause issues to buil up if left blocked for a long time, but we don't and all good thus far. It's about 15 years since we did it and the savings were really decent at the time, although you get used to it. Probably even more worth having done it now I guess!
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Post by nexus6 on Oct 11, 2022 14:26:13 GMT
All that you're telling me is don't get cavity wall. Will it be the next PPI? Maybe not PPI as there is a vested interest from local and national government to have things like this done to meet targets, but there is definitely a section of society adversely affected by cavity fill insulation. I am one of them. It was noted on the home report as having been done and I was nervous about buying it because of that but we did. At the end of the year, christmas day actually, I noticed a mushroom growing out the gap between the wallpaper at the wall and the ceiling in the kitchen. The previous people had put this really thick paper on the walls to try and disguise the problem and it worked! I took the paper off and the wall was a mess. Black mould everywhere and you could have wrung the brick out it was so wet. Lont story short, I paid a company to come in and take it all out. 2.5K over the course of a week and the place started drying out straight away. I had an inspection camera to monitor it all over a year or so and now we have a dry but cold house as opposed to a slightly less cold but damp house. Here's another thought. A modern external wall might have a brick outer leaf, then a 50mm clear cavity, then maybe 120 - 150mm insulation (rigid PIR or stone wool type) then a solid board on the outside of the frame, then 100mm insulation within the timber frame then maybe even an insulated plasterboard on the inside. All in maybe 250mm to 300mm of high performance insulation. What impact is max 50mm of plastic bead blown in 'blind' to the cavity making?
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Post by henroben on Oct 11, 2022 14:31:12 GMT
All that you're telling me is don't get cavity wall. Will it be the next PPI? Maybe not PPI as there is a vested interest from local and national government to have things like this done to meet targets, but there is definitely a section of society adversely affected by cavity fill insulation. I am one of them. It was noted on the home report as having been done and I was nervous about buying it because of that but we did. At the end of the year, christmas day actually, I noticed a mushroom growing out the gap between the wallpaper at the wall and the ceiling in the kitchen. The previous people had put this really thick paper on the walls to try and disguise the problem and it worked! I took the paper off and the wall was a mess. Black mould everywhere and you could have wrung the brick out it was so wet. Lont story short, I paid a company to come in and take it all out. 2.5K over the course of a week and the place started drying out straight away. I had an inspection camera to monitor it all over a year or so and now we have a dry but cold house as opposed to a slightly less cold but damp house. Here's another thought. A modern external wall might have a brick outer leaf, then a 50mm clear cavity, then maybe 120 - 150mm insulation (rigid PIR or stone wool type) then a solid board on the outside of the frame, then 100mm insulation within the timber frame then maybe even an insulated plasterboard on the inside. All in maybe 250mm to 300mm of high performance insulation. What impact is max 50mm of plastic bead blown in 'blind' to the cavity making? Whereabouts do you live out of interest? I strongly suspect weather makes a big difference with this - I live in the East, which is very sheltered with regards to both wind and rain. I bet that makes a big difference to any potential moisture penetration or bridging. But I can imagine it being a different story on the West of the country...
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Post by technoish on Oct 11, 2022 14:46:14 GMT
I'm planning internal solid wall insulation, and window replacement. There is relatively new vacuum double glazing that is super thin, better insulation than regular triple glazing, and stays insulating for longer.
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Post by Vortex on Oct 11, 2022 14:51:36 GMT
Every time we do up a room these days it's the same drill: 25mm kingspan in the gap behind the plasterboard. It does seem to help, but there's a lot of house to go.
The house isn't bad now and we've certainly done a lot to improve it, but we should probably move elsewhere with a newer, better insulated house at some point.
Ideally I want solar panels on the roof and a battery to store the energy for later at night, or to move somewhere with large enough garden for a ground source heat pump.
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Post by askew on Oct 11, 2022 14:52:05 GMT
Cancel culture got them in the end
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Post by elstoof on Oct 11, 2022 14:59:54 GMT
Weren’t a patch on lathe & plaster
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Post by nexus6 on Oct 11, 2022 15:16:24 GMT
Maybe not PPI as there is a vested interest from local and national government to have things like this done to meet targets, but there is definitely a section of society adversely affected by cavity fill insulation. I am one of them. It was noted on the home report as having been done and I was nervous about buying it because of that but we did. At the end of the year, christmas day actually, I noticed a mushroom growing out the gap between the wallpaper at the wall and the ceiling in the kitchen. The previous people had put this really thick paper on the walls to try and disguise the problem and it worked! I took the paper off and the wall was a mess. Black mould everywhere and you could have wrung the brick out it was so wet. Lont story short, I paid a company to come in and take it all out. 2.5K over the course of a week and the place started drying out straight away. I had an inspection camera to monitor it all over a year or so and now we have a dry but cold house as opposed to a slightly less cold but damp house. Here's another thought. A modern external wall might have a brick outer leaf, then a 50mm clear cavity, then maybe 120 - 150mm insulation (rigid PIR or stone wool type) then a solid board on the outside of the frame, then 100mm insulation within the timber frame then maybe even an insulated plasterboard on the inside. All in maybe 250mm to 300mm of high performance insulation. What impact is max 50mm of plastic bead blown in 'blind' to the cavity making? Whereabouts do you live out of interest? I strongly suspect weather makes a big difference with this - I live in the East, which is very sheltered with regards to both wind and rain. I bet that makes a big difference to any potential moisture penetration or bridging. But I can imagine it being a different story on the West of the country... West of Scotland. Yes, you're totally right that location will have an influencing factor on performance. The thing is the people putting it in don't take this into account. I had agencies phoning up wanting to cavity fill in the tenement flat I had at the time. Good luck with that. As well as location, the quality of the install has an impact too. Mine wasn't filled up completely which made for cold spots which can affect the balance of the walls performance and induce mould. I'm not saying people are stupid for getting it done. Plenty have it, get benefit from it and that's good. If it goes bad though it can go very bad.
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Post by henroben on Oct 11, 2022 15:34:35 GMT
You've talked me out of it. I had it done in a previous house and it was great. Went from a house that cooled down in 30 minutes to one that retained heat for 3 hours. Though thinking about it, I did get some mold in one room, so maybe it didn't go quite as well as I thought. Anyway, £1.5k installation to risk it making things worse doesn't seem worth it. I'll save up for solar panels or whatever the thing is I should get by then. Until then, I'll bung some more rolls of that itchy shit up into the attics. I got it done for free I seem to remember - it was one of the last of the free insulation deals that the government did. Think they did the loft at the same time. Probably wouldn't have got the cavity wall stuff done if I had to actually pay for it... !
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Post by geefe on Oct 11, 2022 16:32:52 GMT
I'm planning internal solid wall insulation, and window replacement. There is relatively new vacuum double glazing that is super thin, better insulation than regular triple glazing, and stays insulating for longer. You'll laugh when you see the quotes. 2 rooms - £6,000.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 11, 2022 17:25:35 GMT
Fucking energy bills have meant Octopus energy have stopped giving out free toy octopuses because ‘saving money’ and making sure people are warm is more important. I want my octopus. They're actually giving away electric blankets now. I'm sure that will help loads with the old bids bills.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 11, 2022 17:33:24 GMT
Fucking energy bills have meant Octopus energy have stopped giving out free toy octopuses because ‘saving money’ and making sure people are warm is more important. I want my octopus. They're actually giving away electric blankets now. I'm sure that will help loads with the old bids bills. Doesn’t get me my octopus.
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Post by technoish on Oct 11, 2022 17:52:23 GMT
I'm planning internal solid wall insulation, and window replacement. There is relatively new vacuum double glazing that is super thin, better insulation than regular triple glazing, and stays insulating for longer. You'll laugh when you see the quotes. 2 rooms - £6,000. What did that break down into?
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Post by knighty on Oct 11, 2022 17:53:43 GMT
You'll laugh when you see the quotes. 2 rooms - £6,000. What did that break down into? 1 room - 3k. 2 rooms - 6k.
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Post by elstoof on Oct 11, 2022 18:04:31 GMT
An extra grand gets you bubble wrap cut to size to stick on each window pane
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Post by jeepers on Oct 11, 2022 18:38:24 GMT
An extra grand gets you bubble wrap cut to size to stick on each window pane And if you squint hard enough, the black mould looks a lot like deluxe flock wallpaper.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 11, 2022 18:39:32 GMT
Sounds like a lot of you have problems with your cavities.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 11, 2022 18:39:42 GMT
Anal.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 11, 2022 18:39:54 GMT
Cavities.
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Post by technoish on Oct 11, 2022 19:20:28 GMT
Not hebden, his have been spray filled.
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Post by Nitrous on Oct 11, 2022 21:26:29 GMT
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Post by geefe on Oct 11, 2022 21:29:20 GMT
What did that break down into? 1 room - 3k. 2 rooms - 6k. Pretty much this. They wanted more money for doing more rooms. I assume 3 rooms would have been £9k.
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Post by richardiox on Oct 11, 2022 21:29:56 GMT
How much for four rooms do you reckon?
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Post by richardiox on Oct 11, 2022 21:34:00 GMT
My boiler has five different settings, 1 to 5 basically. The obvious thing to do is turn it down one which I would other than the fact the one it's on now (3) is also badged with the letter E which I assume stands for Economy. So to turn it down would be turning it off the economy setting. Might Google an instruction book and start paying more attention to this shit.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 11, 2022 21:36:25 GMT
How much for four rooms do you reckon? $386bn
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