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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 10, 2022 8:56:21 GMT
It's better than nothing...
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 9:07:02 GMT
Yeah, shouldn't grumble etc
Honestly, it's pathetic
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Post by dogbot on Aug 10, 2022 9:36:19 GMT
No, you absolutely should grumble.
My employer told me in December that I "wasn't worth a payrise", for the 3rd time in 3 years - although that was the first time they'd put it in quite so brutal terms.
They then proceeded to be deeply surprised when I (and several of my colleagues) fucked off to another job at +33% of what they were paying me. Fast forward nearly 4 months, my former role is still unoccupied and my ex boss is regularly checking my LinkedIn.
It's a sellers' market. Ok, so grass is often greener and all that, but don't be afraid to at least look at the jobs market if you're not getting what you deserve.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 10, 2022 9:56:46 GMT
What I meant was I don't even think this is a union issue anymore. At the end of the day, if these companies like Amazon and Tesco etc, have a good portion of their employees saying "we are not working until YOU pay what covers our bills" then the knock on effect should be that the likes of Amazon turn to the govt and energy firms to get them to play ball. What needs to happen is the big boys fight it out. Unions are clearly only getting a little bit done but not a lot. That needs a lot of people to take the risk of losing their job, which just won’t happen until they’re even more desperate. People barely ask for a pay rise at any time and take what they’re given, masses aren’t going to start demanding 10%+ |
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 10, 2022 9:59:02 GMT
For the first time in my life I suggested I’d walk and they gave me 9% (breaking their pay system) but I’m lucky that there’s no one else in the country with my knowledge + ability so no one else could pick up the work without being good and spending a year learning from… oh there’s no one to teach them either.
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Post by Lizard on Aug 10, 2022 10:01:54 GMT
For the first time in my life I suggested I’d walk and they gave me 9% (breaking their pay system) but I’m lucky that there’s no one else in the country with my knowledge + ability so no one else could pick up the work without being good and spending a year learning from… oh there’s no one to teach them either. So what you're saying is that you'd fetch a king's ransom? |
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Post by anthonyuk on Aug 10, 2022 10:24:48 GMT
They'll definitely be riots if the forecast on the price of energy bills are correct.
The vast majority of people who voted for something like brexit did so based on healthy dose of Nationalism and are totally oblivious to the fallout. Whether it's the ability to easily work abroad or seeing the cost of raw materials and lead times from the EU shoot through the roof.. They don't care. All the issues Brexit caused so far are so far removed from their daily concerns of who won Love Island, they're almost abstract non issues.
Make people's energy bills top £400 a month and they'll definitely sit up and take note.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 10, 2022 11:37:22 GMT
I think Martin Lewis said that for every £100 you're paying now, you'll be paying £215 in January. Gulp.
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Post by Nitrous on Aug 10, 2022 11:47:15 GMT
What I meant was I don't even think this is a union issue anymore. At the end of the day, if these companies like Amazon and Tesco etc, have a good portion of their employees saying "we are not working until YOU pay what covers our bills" then the knock on effect should be that the likes of Amazon turn to the govt and energy firms to get them to play ball. What needs to happen is the big boys fight it out. Unions are clearly only getting a little bit done but not a lot. The likes of Amazon don't give a shit though especially at the lower levels. They will simply say ok and then turn to an agency to fill the void. The industry I'm in will take on anyone willing to work for the lowest possible amount so it's difficult for people like me who would otherwise say no I'm not working for x amount per hour when the person next in line will simply nod and accept it. |
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Post by dfunked on Aug 10, 2022 11:49:24 GMT
And that's presumably if you're on the rates as of March. People on fixed rates like me are in for an even bigger shock.
Can definitely see some riots kicking off because of this, and on a much bigger scale than 2011 (not that that was remotely related)
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 11:56:57 GMT
No, you absolutely should grumble. My employer told me in December that I "wasn't worth a payrise", for the 3rd time in 3 years - although that was the first time they'd put it in quite so brutal terms. They then proceeded to be deeply surprised when I (and several of my colleagues) fucked off to another job at +33% of what they were paying me. Fast forward nearly 4 months, my former role is still unoccupied and my ex boss is regularly checking my LinkedIn. It's a sellers' market. Ok, so grass is often greener and all that, but don't be afraid to at least look at the jobs market if you're not getting what you deserve. It's pointless for me to complain to work. Instead my plan which I've been doing for about 2 years now is to remove all debt (done), reduce mortgage to practically fuck all (this week / next week), then put up with these sacks of shit for a bit longer to enable me to stop work (or reduce to part time / something I like), and then when I'm about 52/53 (I'm 50 now), I can then coast on my pension till I get state pension and then that's it till I fall over. These cunts at work aren't human, and I'm running out of time. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Aug 10, 2022 15:21:39 GMT
Don't voluntarily reduce your hours or stop work. just go on to auto pilot. If something is too hard just email them back and say you are not able to help.
Go in every now and again, take a load of sick days, don't put in any effort. Let them manage you out (1 - 2 years) and keep collecting the cash.
If the shit has rolled only one way it's time to claim something back. The shit, errrr to collect? In a ball. To throw?
You get the idea.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 16:06:21 GMT
Apart from the sick days, I kinda do that anyway. I get the work done, but I don't bust my balls over it anymore. I shall have a look at my sick leave and rectify accordingly  |
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Post by khanivor on Aug 10, 2022 16:06:23 GMT
The power to take it back has been removed from the people. Unions have been busted, those that remain are a shell of previous efforts. The sectors with remaining strong unions are a smaller percentage of the work force, and have also been vilified by decades of propaganda, wearing the potential further impact of any strike action.
People don’t have it in them. Rioting over police brutality is one thing. Getting people who are heads of households to riot is something else completely. Simons and Mirandas aren’t going to want to risk getting their car damaged of the riot moves near where they parked it. Certainly don’t want to risk losing their job.
It’s going to take years of suffering for the dynamic to shift enough. The powers that be will continue to manipulate the situation to release just enough of the steam build up to keep the pressure manageable. Then ramp prices up some more
They’ve been doing it for decades and no one has done jack fucking shit about it yet. No one has done anything while the NHS dwindles, education is strangled, services starved, infrastructure erodes, the bosses make an extra 30% a year while you get 0.5%, hundreds of thousands needlessly die in a few months while those entrusted to protect them literally steal billions meant to save people, cats and dogs living together
People need to get off their arses and start breaking shit. Waiting for others to take that risk, to take that action, it ain’t gonna work
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 16:06:52 GMT
There's even a new buzzword for that approach. 'Quiet Quitting'.
It's basically working to rule.
EDIT: was replying to Honk's post
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 16:11:24 GMT
What would actually happen in reality, if say, 30 million people just said, "No, we're not going to pay" and didn't pay?
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 10, 2022 16:25:37 GMT
A lot of people would ruin their credit rating, others would end up paying more and those people could be cut off. They’d also end up paying more in the future.
Unfortunately there’s only so long they could go if they get cut off, which is probably a couple of days for most people as eating and heating would be a problem.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 10, 2022 16:27:31 GMT
There's even a new buzzword for that approach. 'Quiet Quitting'. It's basically working to rule. EDIT: was replying to Honk's post I don’t get why it’s called quiet quitting though. That adds more of a stigma to it than ‘just doing your job’ should imply. |
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 16:33:41 GMT
A lot of people would ruin their credit rating, others would end up paying more and those people could be cut off. They’d also end up paying more in the future. Unfortunately there’s only so long they could go if they get cut off, which is probably a couple of days for most people as eating and heating would be a problem. So they'd actually cut off the supply for 30 million people? |
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Post by Danno on Aug 10, 2022 16:38:20 GMT
Disconnecting anyone requires a court order. It would take months to get one through (initial failure to pay bill, then correspondence demanding payment x2, apply to court, wait for hearing), let alone thousands/millions
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Post by khanivor on Aug 10, 2022 16:43:22 GMT
What would actually happen in reality, if say, 30 million people just said, "No, we're not going to pay" and didn't pay? You can’t get 30 million people to bother to vote |
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 16:45:29 GMT
Yeah I know, but I'm more interested in what would actually happen if they did do it regardless
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 16:55:27 GMT
In reality people are scarcely ever truly disconnected.
They fit a pre-payment meter during the disconnection, and then it would take arrears from any payments you put in, so triple whammy of arrears payments, higher unit costs, and a CCJ.
So you'd end up on a pre-pay meter most likely. This assumes a mass payment protest a) does happen and b) the companies don't capitulate.
We're on one as we inherited it from a previous tenant. The smart meter is telling us that credit is low a lot more often at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 16:56:55 GMT
There's even a new buzzword for that approach. 'Quiet Quitting'. It's basically working to rule. EDIT: was replying to Honk's post I don’t get why it’s called quiet quitting though. That adds more of a stigma to it than ‘just doing your job’ should imply. I don't disagree with you one iota there but the reality is 'above and beyond and 110 per cent' isn't it? Of course one runs the risk of being first in line at redundancy time if not playing the corporate ball. |
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Post by jeepers on Aug 10, 2022 16:58:14 GMT
Edit: @quad
I’m guessing the businesses impacted would either seek crisis funding from the govt (which we pay for) or minimum revenue guarantees (which we pay for) or exit the country as unprofitable which would require the govt to sugar the deal to attract new entrants (which we pay for) or - in some alternate reality - botch a nationalisation (which we pay for) to show that it doesn’t work and bring back the same companies that left on sweeter terms (which we pay for).
Before any of that happened, the population would capitulate because, you know, energy is kinda important.
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Post by dogbot on Aug 10, 2022 17:11:56 GMT
Yeah, I can't see them actually going after the credit ratings of 50% of the country, what with the mortgage and credit markets being just about the only things that are in any way stimulating the economy.
That said, khani has the right of it. It's possible that there might be limited social unrest but the British populace rising en masse?
More chance of Truss being remembered as the greatest stateswomen in history.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 10, 2022 17:19:19 GMT
Yeah we're just incredibly docile and tbf the population of the country has been royally fucked over and over with no lube and we've grumbled but just taken it.
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Post by sport✅ on Aug 10, 2022 17:22:33 GMT
Yeah we're just incredibly docile and tbf the population of the country has been royally fucked over and over with no lube and we've grumbled but just taken it. It's better than nothing... |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 10, 2022 17:22:59 GMT
Glol. It really is.
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Post by dogbot on Aug 10, 2022 17:31:57 GMT
Exactly. Serfdom and tugging the forelock has been built into us for generations upon generations upon generations. Oh, we Brits talk a good game on the internet or in the pub, but when it comes down to it, most of us will doff our caps and take another lump.
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