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Post by anephric on Aug 9, 2022 17:23:22 GMT
This is obviously not going to go away, it is a maelstrom of causative factors, all showing how vulnerable Western Europe is, even the governments who thought they were playing the long game with energy, and how vulnerable even the ostensibly strongest and more progressive economies (Germany) are. It's truly exposed how much of Russia's grimy teat they were sucking.
The recent energy bill in the US that had to be passed with the veep's vote shows just how fucked we are, that even with all this malaise and infernal temperatures and floods, we still must PROTECT THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY AT ALL COSTS AND LET THEM HAVE THEIR WICKED, WICKED WAY WITH US.
I would pass emergency powers, Chavez style, and nationalise all domestic energy production. We could and should be self-sufficient, it's fucking ridiculous.
I'm aware of how this worked out for Venezuela. But it shouldn't have.
In the time this would buy us, fuck off Shell and BP and their bullshit greenwashing campaigns, massively invest in renewables to come online in a big way in the next decade, pass laws to fuck all the NIMBYs into the sea, and keep Rolls Royce and their mini-nuke power stations as your mitigation if it all goes tits up.
Get all the pension funds to finally divest away from fossil.
Ta da.
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Post by anephric on Aug 9, 2022 17:25:17 GMT
Benevolent fascism, it's the wave of the future.
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Post by khanivor on Aug 9, 2022 17:28:41 GMT
People aren’t going to do shit.
After no one did anything remotely aggressive as Brexit was shoved through to ruin everything, they realized all y’all are too lazy, indolent and afraid of upsetting the apple cart. Hence the fuckery and outright thievery commenced toot sweet
And no one, as predicted, has done jack fucking shit in response.
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Post by geefe on Aug 9, 2022 17:31:13 GMT
I rather think that the Brexit issue is quite different to this. People WILL get fired up. Let's not forget we had actual riots 10 years ago, we had millions marching against the Iraq war.
Brexit was a referendum. This isn't a choice for people. They WILL get fired up. Even on a basic human level - look at Sri Lanka.
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Post by khanivor on Aug 9, 2022 17:38:48 GMT
They ‘will’ get fired up?
I guess their kindling is soaked in water because the time to BE riled up was months ago.
You cannot compare different societies and cultures and what will cause them to rise up so flippantly. The French would have burned down the offices of BP and Shell and beaten up sone CEOs before summer. The British will, in all likelihood, continue to hold tight to their ankles until a little flare up leads to a ‘solution’ which will be the old problem repackaged and marketed better
Just the like the pill tax was abolished and replaced with the council tax. Same. Fucking. Thing.
Yeah yeah, a few wee changes, just enough to make it seem different while still carrying out the same shift in distribution of taxation and increasing the burden on the poor while reducing it on the wealthy
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 9, 2022 17:41:34 GMT
People aren’t going to do shit. After no one did anything remotely aggressive as Brexit was shoved through to ruin everything, they realized all y’all are too lazy, indolent and afraid of upsetting the apple cart. Hence the fuckery and outright thievery commenced toot sweet And no one, as predicted, has done jack fucking shit in response. Sadly this, I would love people to fight back but they won't. |
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Post by anephric on Aug 9, 2022 17:42:38 GMT
It really wasn't, but council tax needs to be updated, because it doesn't reflect current property values.
Cue Mylene Klass crying about how poor she is. Boo hoo, that wouldn't play out now anything like it did then.
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Post by anephric on Aug 9, 2022 17:45:29 GMT
People will, if the minimum societal 'promises' start to be broken. You could argue they already have been. Work doesn't get you out of poverty even if you sweat your guts out in multiple jobs, a la the US.
Or if people truly realise that the cops are going to do fuck all if you start stealing, they already don't do hardly anything.
A wave of petty crime orders over and above what we already have will be the first thing.
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Post by khanivor on Aug 9, 2022 17:57:20 GMT
Societal promises were ripped up, used to wipe arses and then the shorty result stuffed into the mouths of common people who were charged fifty quid or faced eviction.
Years ago
Our populations are too docile, too complacent and, most importantly, too physically isolated from each other to allow for the sparks to lead to flame.
Ain’t shit going to happen other than some performance theater. Maybe increase allowance for people living in their own by 10% (after bills go up 50%) and give families a free month of Sky
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Post by geefe on Aug 9, 2022 18:54:59 GMT
Ok. So what are you doing about it then?
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Post by khanivor on Aug 9, 2022 19:05:39 GMT
Not voting Republican. Best I can do from over here, mate
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 9, 2022 19:31:40 GMT
Certainly agree people are a lot more isolated than they used to be helps dampen the anger and action. If everyone was down the mines all day then the pub all evening sparks would be flying by now.
People can protest if they want and maybe it’ll have an effect but I think it’s extremely unlikely unless violence gets involved and the it’ll turn into rich vs poor in the news and they’ll be vilified even more and achieve little. Certainly as long as the tortes are in with their majority nothing will happen.
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Post by askew on Aug 9, 2022 19:42:31 GMT
I’m looking forward to getting that taste of the 1970s if those proposed outages are required in Jan.
Mmm, sweet sweet expensive power which ends up being rationed.
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 9, 2022 20:16:32 GMT
People aren’t going to do shit. After no one did anything remotely aggressive as Brexit was shoved through to ruin everything, they realized all y’all are too lazy, indolent and afraid of upsetting the apple cart. Hence the fuckery and outright thievery commenced toot sweet And no one, as predicted, has done jack fucking shit in response. Sadly this, I would love people to fight back but they won't. I don't know. Millions of people will be unable to feed their families and keep warm. I think there are going to be a lot of strikes. Both the main teacher unions are balloting and I can see NHS unions following suit when they get yet another below inflation pay "rise". |
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Post by dogbot on Aug 9, 2022 20:17:33 GMT
Nurses are already talking about it and the post unions have just called one.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 9, 2022 20:22:17 GMT
I’m going to get a giant bean bag, fill it with insulation foam and make a few holes for my hands and feet. I’m going to sit at my desk at home in winter in that and one of those Russian hats.
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Post by anephric on Aug 9, 2022 21:08:34 GMT
My union already rolled over and showed its fat, pathetic belly for 4%.
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Post by anephric on Aug 9, 2022 21:10:07 GMT
I was counting on them being pathetic and pushed for a promotion in case/instead. So at least I have that, which is a 20% bump.
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 9, 2022 21:10:37 GMT
Our multi billion pound company gave a budget to managers of a certain amount and a minimum of about half that for pay rises. The managers gave the lower amount to just about everyone.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 9, 2022 21:43:43 GMT
They have done that at our place, to a certain extent. I’m positive it’s largely because, like the ‘people who have infinite holiday take less’ thing, people lower down the chain worry too much about looking bad to be generous.
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Post by dmukgr on Aug 10, 2022 6:10:56 GMT
Our multi billion pound company gave a budget to managers of a certain amount and a minimum of about half that for pay rises. The managers gave the lower amount to just about everyone. And spent the rest on a baked been filled paddling pool? |
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Post by Tomo on Aug 10, 2022 7:23:32 GMT
What really winds me up about below inflation 'pay rises' is when everytime one is announced at work, my friends say: "well at least it's better than nothing at all!"
No. No, that really isn't the point. It's precisely how the paymasters want to pull the wool over your stupid eyes.
If people were told "you're getting a 3% pay cut this year!" there would be widespread outrage, but nope, dress it up with positive numbers and half the workforce doesn't bat an eyelid. Nnnrghh.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 10, 2022 7:24:24 GMT
Yup. If we get more than 2%, I'll be amazed.
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Post by geefe on Aug 10, 2022 8:01:33 GMT
I think it's up to employees to say "match the cost of living or we strike".
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 10, 2022 8:11:50 GMT
Thanks for the info Geefe.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 10, 2022 8:18:12 GMT
What really winds me up about below inflation 'pay rises' is when everytime one is announced at work, my friends say: "well at least it's better than nothing at all!" I got told off for chiefing someone up about that. We have quite a few cheerleaders who positively comment on any intranet articles ('a round of redundancies shows really bold thinking. keep it up!') like its part of their annual review. And its usually well paid management types who give the thumbs up to us getting dicked out of money. In 2020 I blasted someone who wrote 'At least we are getting something. Its not all about the money' with facts and logic. 'Maybe not for you on nearly six figures but its kind of important to the thousands of people we employ on minimum wage who are struggling to feed their kids' and a few other words of wisdom when she answered back. Dear readers, I was reported to HR. |
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 10, 2022 8:24:10 GMT
I think it's up to employees to say "match the cost of living or we strike". If only unions had any power in most companies (they don’t). Ours has rejected pay rises before but the company goes ahead anyway because the union has no power. |
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Post by geefe on Aug 10, 2022 8:45:55 GMT
What I meant was I don't even think this is a union issue anymore. At the end of the day, if these companies like Amazon and Tesco etc, have a good portion of their employees saying "we are not working until YOU pay what covers our bills" then the knock on effect should be that the likes of Amazon turn to the govt and energy firms to get them to play ball.
What needs to happen is the big boys fight it out. Unions are clearly only getting a little bit done but not a lot.
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Post by quadfather on Aug 10, 2022 8:47:47 GMT
The company I work for have given us 500 quid extra a year.
That's 41 quid a month.
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Post by dfunked on Aug 10, 2022 8:54:17 GMT
That's 3%... If you're working for minimum wage
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