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Post by anephric on Mar 15, 2022 19:39:08 GMT
The problem with getting rid of 55 or 60 as a retirement age for frontline staff is that you're asking people to carry on doing a very physically demanding job (in terms of fire service, police and some railway) until they're 67, which is untenable.
There's only so many staff that can go upwards to management or be shuffled off into an office or backroom to get to retirement age.
There are some people who've been physically ruined by their jobs at my work and because they've decimated support roles, there's no 'cushy' desk job to be shuffled off to, and they've got no choice but to stagger onwards getting ever worse physically and medically to retirement age.
These aren't people sitting at a PC - it's hard physical work that often involves getting injured due to the nature of the job.
Police pensions suck now, btw. Ask any copper, they still despise Theresa May to this day.
Edit: Dougs' already said it.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 15, 2022 20:07:51 GMT
I looked at the police once. But it's a shit job for shit pay and I already had one of those. Plus, honestly, I think I'd have been genuinely terrible at it. Me and teaching I understand that, too, as it goes. My wife is a teacher and so are half my family. |
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Post by sport✅ on Mar 15, 2022 20:12:01 GMT
I would have been a great policeman. Although more detective material, kinda like Brad Pitt in Seven, chasing down serial killers and deciphering codes and stuff.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 15, 2022 20:20:56 GMT
I would have been a great policeman. Although more detective material, kinda like Brad Pitt in Seven, chasing down serial killers and deciphering codes and stuff. Three playing cards in a row. Can you name them with these clues? There is a two to the right of a king. A diamond will be found to the left of a spade. An ace is to the left of a heart. A heart is to the left of a spade. Now, identify all three cards. |
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 15, 2022 20:21:33 GMT
I saw a job recently that I’d be perfect for and it would have been about a 40% increase, only downside is it needed me to go in the office once a week and that would be 2 hours each way.
Think I’m too comfortable where I am, staying being a big fish in a small pond rather than starting out again.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 15, 2022 20:23:17 GMT
I would have been a great policeman. Although more detective material, kinda like Brad Pitt in Seven, chasing down serial killers and deciphering codes and stuff. Three playing cards in a row. Can you name them with these clues? There is a two to the right of a king. A diamond will be found to the left of a spade. An ace is to the left of a heart. A heart is to the left of a spade. Now, identify all three cards. "Yeah, he just jumped out in front of the car. I don't know what happened." |
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Post by sport✅ on Mar 15, 2022 20:25:32 GMT
I would have been a great policeman. Although more detective material, kinda like Brad Pitt in Seven, chasing down serial killers and deciphering codes and stuff. Three playing cards in a row. Can you name them with these clues? There is a two to the right of a king. A diamond will be found to the left of a spade. An ace is to the left of a heart. A heart is to the left of a spade. Now, identify all three cards.  |
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Post by anephric on Mar 15, 2022 20:30:03 GMT
I know a guy who went late into policing who's a murder/robbery inspector.
If you enjoy 50+ hour weeks investigating the same domestic abuse cases that ended up in spousal murder, yeah, it's great fun.
There's a reason I got fed up of staring at dead bodies and sitting in coroner's court. Every day becomes exactly the same, except your run of the mill involves body parts and disassociation with humanity.
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Post by spacein_vader on Mar 15, 2022 20:34:41 GMT
We hired someone and gave them close to a 40% salary increase. Normally I'd offer at 10 - 15% on current package. This is insane. Not that you offered, that you know how much of a raise you have them. I understand why companies ask how much you currently earn but I don't understand why anyone tells them. Why on earth would I give away my biggest bargaining chip? I bet when your company asks for tenders for a (for example,) printing contract, it doesn't tell the bidders what they pay the current supplier. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 15, 2022 20:36:10 GMT
There are some people who've been physically ruined by their jobs at my work and because they've decimated support roles, there's no 'cushy' desk job to be shuffled off to, and they've got no choice but to stagger onwards getting ever worse physically and medically to retirement age. Isn’t this exactly why the firemen went on strike a few years ago? That great time when the gutter press spent a few weeks trying to demean actual fucking firefighters as greedy and lazy. |
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Post by zagibu on Mar 15, 2022 21:58:24 GMT
Lol, do you guys really think you can retire below 70? Forget it guys. Personally, I hope for 70, but plan for 75, because shit will start hitting the fan harder and harder in the coming 20-30 years. I would not even be surprised if the concept of pensions disappeared entirely in the next few decades.
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Post by stuz359 on Mar 15, 2022 22:04:37 GMT
I know a guy who went late into policing who's a murder/robbery inspector. If you enjoy 50+ hour weeks investigating the same domestic abuse cases that ended up in spousal murder, yeah, it's great fun. There's a reason I got fed up of staring at dead bodies and sitting in coroner's court. Every day becomes exactly the same, except your run of the mill involves body parts and disassociation with humanity. I've seen Morse and Midsummer murders. It looks great! |
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 22:12:03 GMT
Lol, do you guys really think you can retire below 70? Forget it guys. Personally, I hope for 70, but plan for 75, because shit will start hitting the fan harder and harder in the coming 20-30 years. I would not even be surprised if the concept of pensions disappeared entirely in the next few decades. I'll be 70 or near as damnit in 20 years so...(but yes, I agree in general that the state pension in particular may be a thing of the past in the not too distant future) |
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Post by Frog on Mar 15, 2022 22:29:02 GMT
The party that attempts that will never be in government again surely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 23:45:33 GMT
Muslims and the unemployed get the state pension too. Let's use the money to fund the NHS instead.
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Post by spacein_vader on Mar 16, 2022 1:12:57 GMT
I was retired at 38. All you need is good financial planning, a bit of luck, oh and a terminal disease.
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Post by dmukgr on Mar 16, 2022 7:57:11 GMT
I was retired at 38. All you need is good financial planning, a bit of luck, oh and a terminal disease. And if it wasn’t for that one time you ate avocado on toast you would own your own home now too no doubt. |
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Post by geefe on Mar 16, 2022 8:49:47 GMT
Tbf I plan to go into semi retirement around 55 but I have no kids, wife, pets and don't plan on leaving my 3 bed terrace. I'd rather live reasonably without stress than shoot for the big bucks with shitty working to the bone.
The trade off might mean fewer holidays (though my last one was 2016) and living on a budget but I'd rather that, because I set my expectations low. If that means I can do 2-3 days a week until I'm 65 and then spend 10-15 years doing anything I like, that's ok with me.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Mar 16, 2022 10:01:43 GMT
We hired someone and gave them close to a 40% salary increase. Normally I'd offer at 10 - 15% on current package. This is insane. Not that you offered, that you know how much of a raise you have them. I understand why companies ask how much you currently earn but I don't understand why anyone tells them. Why on earth would I give away my biggest bargaining chip? I bet when your company asks for tenders for a (for example,) printing contract, it doesn't tell the bidders what they pay the current supplier. There's two elements. One we are a heavily regulated industry so all of our recruitment processes are open to Audit from the regulators. So we work to specific salary levels. Secondly in any organisation it's something I'll ask for on the first call. Most organisations have specific salary bands there's no point in either of wasting our time if are not on the same page. I'm not going to lowball people but at the same time I'm not going to hire someone way above market rate or as an outlier to the existing team. My previous company would ask for a proof of existing salary as part of vetting so unless you can evidence a counter or upcoming promotion it's better to have that conversation up front. |
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Post by brokenkey on Mar 16, 2022 11:54:16 GMT
I would have been a great policeman. Although more detective material, kinda like Brad Pitt in Seven, chasing down serial killers and deciphering codes and stuff. Three playing cards in a row. Can you name them with these clues? There is a two to the right of a king. A diamond will be found to the left of a spade. An ace is to the left of a heart. A heart is to the left of a spade. Now, identify all three cards. AoD, KoH, 2oS |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 16, 2022 12:07:43 GMT
Three playing cards in a row. Can you name them with these clues? There is a two to the right of a king. A diamond will be found to the left of a spade. An ace is to the left of a heart. A heart is to the left of a spade. Now, identify all three cards. AoD, KoH, 2oS This is correct |
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Post by Sarfrin on Mar 16, 2022 12:22:54 GMT
Are you recruiting for MI5. |
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Post by EMarkM on Mar 16, 2022 12:35:13 GMT
Are you recruiting for MI5. Don’t tell him. |
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Post by Dougs on Mar 16, 2022 12:39:12 GMT
Pike
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 16, 2022 12:50:33 GMT
Secondly in any organisation it's something I'll ask for on the first call. Most organisations have specific salary bands there's no point in either of wasting our time if are not on the same page. We have a few posts almost permanently open because people either think we will break the hard salary bands for them or they bail as soon as they find out what they are. We have a relatively junior threat intelligence position that is on a 34-42 band and we get even 23-34 years old with 18 months experience wanting 70+k for it and seasoned professionals thinking the entire role is open to negotiation if their CV is strong enough. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 16, 2022 12:50:37 GMT
Just a bit of fun, as agent brokenkey can confirm
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Post by H-alphaFox on Mar 16, 2022 12:55:21 GMT
I could hopefully retire at around 50 but that would be on the back of the wife's pension if she takes it early as it's a very generous deal. I wouldn't qualify for any other state pension or benefits because of it so it's a handy fall back to have.
It's just a matter of what to do in the 5-6 years in between, no way I'm going back to working shitty jobs I have done in the past. The idea for us even in retirement is to manage a working property so I don't think you ever really stop. Realistically then why not just do that from the start.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 16, 2022 13:01:33 GMT
Secondly in any organisation it's something I'll ask for on the first call. Most organisations have specific salary bands there's no point in either of wasting our time if are not on the same page. We have a few posts almost permanently open because people either think we will break the hard salary bands for them or they bail as soon as they find out what they are. We have a relatively junior threat intelligence position that is on a 34-42 band and we get even 23-34 years old with 18 months experience wanting 70+k for it and seasoned professionals thinking the entire role is open to negotiation if their CV is strong enough. Presumably, they've been reading all the kids on reddit who are absolutely, definitely telling the whole, unblemished truth about their salaries with their Cyber Security degree and 12 months experience cleaning monitors in a SOC. They're all on $200k, didn't you know? It's good for a laugh. |
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Post by anephric on Mar 16, 2022 14:41:26 GMT
The same people who say anyone can buy a Lambo, it's the maintenance costs that will kill you.
If you can't stretch to a Lambo, Ferraris are completely affordable.
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Post by brokenkey on Mar 16, 2022 15:46:06 GMT
We have a few posts almost permanently open because people either think we will break the hard salary bands for them or they bail as soon as they find out what they are. We have a relatively junior threat intelligence position that is on a 34-42 band and we get even 23-34 years old with 18 months experience wanting 70+k for it and seasoned professionals thinking the entire role is open to negotiation if their CV is strong enough. Presumably, they've been reading all the kids on reddit who are absolutely, definitely telling the whole, unblemished truth about their salaries with their Cyber Security degree and 12 months experience cleaning monitors in a SOC. They're all on $200k, didn't you know? It's good for a laugh. The background in ballet must be worth something though? |
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