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Post by zagibu on Mar 15, 2022 0:04:53 GMT
It's still bullshit that inflation is not automatically compensated. No matter how low or high it is.
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Post by Rich on Mar 15, 2022 7:04:28 GMT
Yeah, this. If the public sector get 3% I'd be amazed. I do reckon 3% is possible. Inflation will be at 7+. Certainly for some sectors (front line etc) you will see this. Haha, we've not had 3% in the past 10 years. This bunch of cunts ain't going to give it to us or any public sector (except themselves) now.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 15, 2022 7:07:51 GMT
I’ll be amazed if we get 2%. The last 2 years has been 0% and 1.5%, even though the company made big profits in both those years and they keep acknowledging that we have too few people doing too much work.
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Post by Nitrous on Mar 15, 2022 7:25:44 GMT
I'm getting a 15p or a 40p per bour pay rise depending on which way the wind is blowing come April. However none of that matters as the company is changing the shift pattern to better suit both the client and business needs apparently.
£300+ a month drop in wages unless a salary payment is agreed upon. I'll feel that especially with the Mrs on maternity leave come April and I can't afford to take paternity pay either. Fun times.
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 15, 2022 8:13:45 GMT
I haven’t had a pay rise of any size since 2014. It really is starting to get me depressed that my career is atrophying. I have a stressful job, especially at the moment, working for mainly nasty people and there is zero enjoyment in it.
I dread thinking how poor my wage is in comparison to others.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 15, 2022 9:19:23 GMT
I haven’t had a pay rise of any size since 2014. It really is starting to get me depressed that my career is atrophying. I have a stressful job, especially at the moment, working for mainly nasty people and there is zero enjoyment in it. I dread thinking how poor my wage is in comparison to others. It's time to get a new job mate.
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Post by スコットランド on Mar 15, 2022 9:21:51 GMT
What the fuck were you trying to add? Most people in other places are dealing with 7% or more inflation, and power bill increases that will put serious pressure on their finances. With likely very limited increases in income. An unironic "poor me I will get 1% instead of 2% inflation" is poor poor taste / reading of the room. Yep, fair enough. Apologies.
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 15, 2022 9:23:33 GMT
I haven’t had a pay rise of any size since 2014. It really is starting to get me depressed that my career is atrophying. I have a stressful job, especially at the moment, working for mainly nasty people and there is zero enjoyment in it. I dread thinking how poor my wage is in comparison to others. It's time to get a new job mate. It absolutely is. I want to see through the end of the project I have been working on here for 4 years. But also, the industry is not in great shape, I have certain benefits of being in a small scale place (i can tell them to fuck off if I need a flexible day for childcare etc) and first in last out is a big concern in a new place. Ally that to having been WFH for the last 2 years and it makes is tough. Kids would need different school care and all that which isnt easily arranged at the mo. But I agree!
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Post by dfunked on Mar 15, 2022 9:23:56 GMT
nexus6 - Sounds like multiple incentives to start looking for something better. I started a job when I was just within the payrise eligibility window, but too late to have to do all that annual review nonsense, which is nice... Curious to see what that ends up meaning for me next month. Last year (one of the factors for me leaving) was a 1% payrise after my first ever "achieved but didn't exceed" review, that was complete nonsense after working my arse off during the pandemic.
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Post by geefe on Mar 15, 2022 12:38:13 GMT
I have never had a pay rise. I've moved jobs and got better pay, but then I've mostly been on shitty short contracts.
Been made redundant, though. Twice. Once over a bank holiday and once before summer break.
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Post by stuz359 on Mar 15, 2022 17:06:13 GMT
I just had a salary rise of 25%, but from a low bar. I am still below the average salary for my area (Hull, see how low that bar is), well below the national average outside of London and so far off the national average including London it may be a sick joke.
I was looking at properties, I'm in a position where I can start saving for a deposit now, but it will take a year at least. But the goalposts keep moving. I looked at one flat, from when it was last sold in 2014 to now, it had increased in value by approximately 30%.
House prices have risen 10% in the last year alone. Apart from a brief collapse after the financial crash, & prices didn't crash dramatically anyway, it's all been inflation on houses. Good if you're a homeowner, bad if you're not.
I may be able to buy a yurt if someone will let me live in their garden.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 15, 2022 18:15:00 GMT
I haven’t had a pay rise of any size since 2014. It really is starting to get me depressed that my career is atrophying. I have a stressful job, especially at the moment, working for mainly nasty people and there is zero enjoyment in it. I dread thinking how poor my wage is in comparison to others. At the risk of coming across as a dickbag; two or three years of no pay rises, shame on them. Eight years of no pay rises, shame on you. Jeez, son, hand your fucking notice in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 18:19:46 GMT
3% has been mooted for us in the last few days but everyone has went bezerk, especially as we didn't get one last year. Striking is looking on the cards, the union was trying to get everyone to do it last year but we were bought off with a one off bonus.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 15, 2022 18:22:36 GMT
We are looking at about 3%, so a pay cut, really. It’s going to come to a head when we replace our CEO in summer and they have to robotically trot out ‘we pay in line with our industry peers’ to justify the swimming pool of cash they just gave them as a signing on fee.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 15, 2022 18:24:38 GMT
Ours are threatening to strike if we don’t get 8.5%
They do similar every year, the company offers one amount, they demand a ridiculous amount, the company says no and that’s it.
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Post by Frog on Mar 15, 2022 18:25:18 GMT
We are the best paid in our sector compared to other companies, so basically will be told tough shit as you already earn too much for what you do.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Mar 15, 2022 18:26:36 GMT
It's time to get a new job mate. It absolutely is. I want to see through the end of the project I have been working on here for 4 years. But also, the industry is not in great shape, I have certain benefits of being in a small scale place (i can tell them to fuck off if I need a flexible day for childcare etc) and first in last out is a big concern in a new place. Ally that to having been WFH for the last 2 years and it makes is tough. Kids would need different school care and all that which isnt easily arranged at the mo. But I agree! The job market is pretty hectic, don't be surprised if you find something else the current place suddenly offers you a decent rise to counter. We hired someone and gave them close to a 40% salary increase. Normally I'd offer at 10 - 15% on current package.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 18:27:04 GMT
I mean, it's fucking galling in the public sector, but at least we have a vague eye on wider govt finances, contracts to mates notwithstanding. But it must be a real kick in the teeth when the execs get barrows full of cash seemingly for fucking up.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 15, 2022 18:30:27 GMT
We aren’t but our ‘overall package’ is technically up there (but you have to smash in the max matched pension contribution to get it). Our holiday is the worst of any place I’ve worked and we only get an extra day after 10 years.
I got a £25 training voucher for 5 years service and got a mild ticking off for saying I would rather have had nothing because that feels like a deliberate piss take.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 18:34:41 GMT
I got a £50 voucher the other day. I actually appreciated it, as I was nominated by another team, which was nice. Our in year awards closed last week so I made sure my boss was putting me forward...they were slow to spend it at the start of the year so had loads left so we should all get a few hundred at least. I'll be very pissed off if not.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 15, 2022 18:36:58 GMT
We get those and it is nice to be recognised. I’m just competent enough for work to pay for a couple of records every few months with the Amazon good boy vouchers people award me.
I awarded one of my line reports 25 quid last week for being a good lad.
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Post by anephric on Mar 15, 2022 18:46:36 GMT
Public sector in general (civil service and council, and police) have had fuck all pay rises for a decade plus. It's worth considering that the next time a daily rag starts banging on about overpaid top civil servants and gold-plated pensions. Yeah, a few at the top are on stupid money, but the rank and file have been fucked for years. I would never work in NHS or police frontline for what they currently get. I looked at police jobs (fairly specialist and demanding) after I left a national investigation body and the money was absolutely insulting. With no prospect of it ever improving.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 15, 2022 18:55:01 GMT
I looked at the police once. But it's a shit job for shit pay and I already had one of those. Plus, honestly, I think I'd have been genuinely terrible at it.
I haven't had a pay rise in three years and it was quickly glossed over when the question was asked on a recent staff call. Plenty of money for execs to hire their mates and buy other mate's companies though. Which is partly why I'm in the process of getting another job.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 15, 2022 18:58:11 GMT
I looked at the police once. But it's a shit job for shit pay and I already had one of those. Plus, honestly, I think I'd have been genuinely terrible at it. Me and teaching
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 15, 2022 18:58:55 GMT
I haven’t had a pay rise of any size since 2014. It really is starting to get me depressed that my career is atrophying. I have a stressful job, especially at the moment, working for mainly nasty people and there is zero enjoyment in it. I dread thinking how poor my wage is in comparison to others. At the risk of coming across as a dickbag; two or three years of no pay rises, shame on them. Eight years of no pay rises, shame on you. Jeez, son, hand your fucking notice in. In that period I had the flexibility of working/not working when the wee one was very sick which was very helpful and I took that as a benefit over the no pay. Also it had been very rocky for that whole period here so I would be leaving for potential redundancy anyway. I don’t know anyone that hasn’t been made redundant in the last 5 or so years at least once. But yeah, it’s a piss take
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Post by anephric on Mar 15, 2022 19:04:20 GMT
I was out the other day with a former police firearms officer who quit to work in estates management because the money was better and he actually got pay rises.
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Post by stuz359 on Mar 15, 2022 19:06:56 GMT
The biggest appeal of public sector work is the pensions. At least, it used to be. I know a person who retired lately, was a fireman. Put in his service and retired at 55 on a pretty sweet pension. He was a driver, so works as a HGV driver when he wants, on his terms. Probably way better off now than he ever was.
But any of the new intake, in the police, armed services, fire service, anything really, have way worse pension terms now. I suppose that makes sense. If you could put in 30 years service and retire at 55 (or earlier), but the life expectancy was so much lower when the original terms were put in place it's inevitable that the government would not be able to sustain 30+ years of final salary pension schemes for public servants.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Mar 15, 2022 19:29:16 GMT
We aren’t but our ‘overall package’ is technically up there (but you have to smash in the max matched pension contribution to get it). Our holiday is the worst of any place I’ve worked and we only get an extra day after 10 years. I got a £25 training voucher for 5 years service and got a mild ticking off for saying I would rather have had nothing because that feels like a deliberate piss take. Yeah the matched pension is without a doubt the best benefit. It's pretty low on the list for a lot of people when you're offering a job but if you max the fuck out of contributions you make bank son.
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Post by knighty on Mar 15, 2022 19:33:52 GMT
The wife’s on a final salary pension. 1/34th of her final salary per year worked. So allowing for a few years part time with maternity if she retires at 55-60 ish she’ll still effectively be ‘earning’ her normal wage or near enough.
Of course she pays in about 9.6% of her pay packet so her actual take home now is a lot less than her wage would suggest (and god knows paying off debt now would probably be more useful).
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Post by Dougs on Mar 15, 2022 19:35:28 GMT
I think the likes of emergency services, nurses and other physical public sector jobs, retirement at 55 and pension isn't unreasonable. A desk jockey like me can in theory keep going till 67, but expecting those in demanding jobs to do that is mad. Two thirds of mine will be paid at 60, rst at 67. I should be able to drop down to part time for a few years if I stick it out/aren't fucked off and not lose a huge amount of income. But yeah, not had a payrise to speak of for 12 years now - according to inflation calculators, even if salaries kept pace I'd be on nearly 10k more.
Edit: plus of course, nurses can't retire that early. Pisses me off that.
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