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Post by mrharvest on Jun 3, 2022 10:10:55 GMT
Base 10 time is like any decimal system. It's just better because it's simpler. It would do away with AM/PM. It's shorter than 24 hour clock. No need to convert hours to minutes to seconds.
I think if you defend hours minutes seconds you might as well defend miles feet inches or whatever. Decimal systems are simpler, there's no argument there.
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Post by elstoof on Jun 3, 2022 10:21:13 GMT
It’s simpler for large numbers, but 12 is more easily divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6 and 8 without venturing into decimal points. Decimal systems are better most applications but not when measuring time really, otherwise the attempt to make it work would’ve stuck
There are cases where imperial is quicker and more straightforward than metric in measuring, 1/8 of an inch is much easier to deal with than getting into decimal points for fractions of a centimetre for instance. Both are valid in their respective uses
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 3, 2022 10:25:29 GMT
The benefit of decimalisation is that calculation at any scale is just moving a decimal point. Changing to metricisation of the hours of the day alone is pointless. You'd have to do the whole thing: days, weeks, months.
It's ultimately pointless as the number of days (which is a useful unit to base it on) in a year (another useful unit to measure against) is not a whole number.
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Post by gammonbanter on Jun 3, 2022 11:00:01 GMT
As mentioned here earlier, we're biased to base 10 / metric because we have 10 fingers. There is a better way....Dozenals of the world unit!! 😉
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Post by gammonbanter on Jun 3, 2022 11:04:53 GMT
When we eventually get out into the solar system - will colonies on Mars and Europa etc still use earth time? There will have to be a sol standard I imagine?
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Post by Sarfrin on Jun 3, 2022 11:08:27 GMT
Base 10 time is like any decimal system. It's just better because it's simpler. It would do away with AM/PM. It's shorter than 24 hour clock. The advantage of the 24 hour clock is that it's the same length as an actual day. |
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 3, 2022 11:16:39 GMT
Base 10 time is like any decimal system. It's just better because it's simpler. It would do away with AM/PM. It's shorter than 24 hour clock. The advantage of the 24 hour clock is that it's the same length as an actual day. Kiloclock / decimal time would be too. 1000 time units in one day. Midnight at 1000. Mid-day at 500. 6am is 250 and 6pm is 750. Very logical. |
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 3, 2022 11:21:13 GMT
It’s simpler for large numbers, but 12 is more easily divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6 and 8 without venturing into decimal points. Decimal systems are better most applications but not when measuring time really, otherwise the attempt to make it work would’ve stuck There are cases where imperial is quicker and more straightforward than metric in measuring, 1/8 of an inch is much easier to deal with than getting into decimal points for fractions of a centimetre for instance. Both are valid in their respective uses 1/8 inch is either a rounding error or it's no simpler than millimetres. Millimetres give better granularity than eights, plus they're easier to scale. 25 millimetres is very easy to understand. But at a glance do you know how much is 25 eights of an inch? How many eights in a two thirds of an inch? Imperial is just always worse. |
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Post by elstoof on Jun 3, 2022 11:33:25 GMT
I expect you wish you were correct about any of that
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 3, 2022 11:37:54 GMT
I expect you wish you were correct about any of that I know I am, love. |
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Post by zagibu on Jun 3, 2022 12:45:02 GMT
You are right that there is no inherent advantage of base10 over any other base. But people are more familiar with base10.
Also, the current time system uses a two tier unit for tracking time over a day. Why? An hour is an arbitrary unit, as well as a minute. Why use two arbitrary units for a day when one is good enough? It only complicates calculations and makes it hard for people to judge how different lengths of time relate to each other.
For example, you see immediately that 180 beats is 9/10 of 200 beats, but it's not so easy to see that 1 h 48 min is 9/10 of 2 hours.
You also see immediately that 900 beats is 9/10 of a day, but it's not so easy to see that 21 h and 36 min is 9/10 of a day.
Of course, I've chosen base10 divisions here, which is a bit unfair for a base60/12 system, but the point is that the separation into hours and minutes and both being different bases makes things more complicated than just having a single base10 unit.
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Post by elstoof on Jun 3, 2022 12:56:22 GMT
There’s still two tiers if you have 1000 beats in a day. Your ideal system should surely have 100,000 beats in a day. Or preferably more than 10,000,000 if you want to time things like sporting events.
6, 12, 24 and 60 are all divisible by 6, it’s just as logical
as using 10
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 3, 2022 12:59:25 GMT
Humans are crap at visualising big numbers, which is partly why we have the tiered system when it comes time, and partly why we would have to continue using something like that even if we did move to a metric time system.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jun 3, 2022 15:11:02 GMT
Metric all the way. A cubic meter holds 1000 liters of water and ways 1000kg. I have no idea how many gallons go into a cubic yard.
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Post by X201 on Jun 3, 2022 16:48:20 GMT
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Post by zagibu on Jun 3, 2022 20:05:50 GMT
There’s still two tiers if you have 1000 beats in a day. Ever heard of decibeats, centibeats and millibeats? No, it doesn't need two tiers and it especially doesn't need two tiers with different bases. Look, you can still keep your inferior time system, it won't go anywhere. But don't shit on new things just because they are different, old man. |
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Post by mrharvest on Jun 3, 2022 21:44:24 GMT
It really is the beauty of the decimal system. Need to measure something? Here's the base unit. Need to measure something a lot smaller? Milli, micro, nano. Something big? Kilo, mega, giga. Warms the old cockles.
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Post by elstoof on Jun 3, 2022 22:03:59 GMT
There’s still two tiers if you have 1000 beats in a day. Ever heard of decibeats, centibeats and millibeats? No, it doesn't need two tiers and it especially doesn't need two tiers with different bases. Look, you can still keep your inferior time system, it won't go anywhere. But don't shit on new things just because they are different, old man. You’ve just described 3 seperate tiers |
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Post by elstoof on Jun 3, 2022 22:04:56 GMT
Constantly using megakilos and gigimetres as a species
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Post by zagibu on Jun 3, 2022 22:56:16 GMT
It's not different tiers, it's just a digit position to the right of the decimal point. It's still only 1 number.
I can calculate 7/12ths of any number of beats in fewer steps than you can calculate 7/12ths of 7h 37 min. That's because you have to work with two tiers and I won't. You will first have to convert into minutes, then divide by 12 and multiply by 7, then convert back into hours and minutes again. I don't need the first and last steps.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 3, 2022 23:18:00 GMT
I’m tempted to ban people for this abomination of a conversation.
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Post by CHPxtreme on Jun 3, 2022 23:57:58 GMT
I'd like to know what is being measured that means that 1/8 of an inch is just right. Is it the case that, for example, a standard gauge for a widget was 1/8th inch when designed, and as a result all widgets are manufactured to the same 1/8 inch measurement.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 0:04:12 GMT
It's not different tiers, it's just a digit position to the right of the decimal point. It's still only 1 number. I can calculate 7/12ths of any number of beats in fewer steps than you can calculate 7/12ths of 7h 37 min. That's because you have to work with two tiers and I won't. You will first have to convert into minutes, then divide by 12 and multiply by 7, then convert back into hours and minutes again. I don't need the first and last steps. |
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Post by Sarfrin on Jun 4, 2022 0:10:34 GMT
It's not different tiers, it's just a digit position to the right of the decimal point. It's still only 1 number. I can calculate 7/12ths of any number of beats in fewer steps than you can calculate 7/12ths of 7h 37 min. That's because you have to work with two tiers and I won't. You will first have to convert into minutes, then divide by 12 and multiply by 7, then convert back into hours and minutes again. I don't need the first and last steps. I know you're taking the piss, but even then this doesn't make any sense at all. Who wants to calculate 7/12ths of anything? |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 4, 2022 4:07:01 GMT
I’m tempted to ban people for this abomination of a conversation. Gigaban! |
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Post by dominalien on Jun 4, 2022 5:54:07 GMT
For example, you see immediately that 180 beats is 9/10 of 200 beats, but it's not so easy to see that 1 h 48 min is 9/10 of 2 hours. You also see immediately that 900 beats is 9/10 of a day, but it's not so easy to see that 21 h and 36 min is 9/10 of a day. That only means anything if for some reason someone tells you “let’s meet in 2/10s of a day” Since days aren’t divisible by 10 no one will ever reference time like that, so knowing exactly how many hours 9/10ths of a day is is pointless. Also, Earth’s rotation around the sun and itself doesn’t follow any decimal rules, hence we have the messed up system of years months, hours, etc, plus all the leap years, seconds et all since even those aren’t precisely aligned to the way planets move. I wonder, you can tell which month has what number of days by counting your knuckles, did they actually assign days to months so you could? |
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Post by elstoof on Jun 4, 2022 7:58:01 GMT
I'd like to know what is being measured that means that 1/8 of an inch is just right. Is it the case that, for example, a standard gauge for a widget was 1/8th inch when designed, and as a result all widgets are manufactured to the same 1/8 inch measurement. Something that’s bigger than 1/16 and 3/32, but smaller than 3/16? What do you think is measured where 3.175mm is just right? Feet and inches is still a good system for certain applications, divisions care much easier so things like cabinet making can be worked out in your head quickly. I still use inches every day for work, I don’t need to measure to a unicersal standard I just need consistency for the thing I’m doing. I still use barleycorns and paris points too. The entire aerospace industry in the US still uses inches and they seem to manage ok building thousands of Boeings every year |
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Post by Lizard on Jun 4, 2022 8:24:57 GMT
I think we should ditch the 24 hour clock for a more sensible kiloclock and months and weeks should also go, what nonsense is that months are different number of days. Just basic day 134 of year 12022 at 450 time. So much simpler. Not sure if serious, but I am down for this. |
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Post by zagibu on Jun 4, 2022 8:39:44 GMT
Who wants to calculate 7/12ths of anything? People who say it's 7 AM? I'm not the one promoting a base12 system here. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 4, 2022 9:03:13 GMT
Why even bother with days. Just break each year up into 90,000 time units.
So instead of saying I'll see you at 10.30 on April 2nd, just say something like I'll see you at 40130.
It'll take a while to bed in, but will be a lot simpler in the long run.
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