Tom Clancy’s US Politics Thread

"What happened that day was a national embarrassment, please show me mercy"

Political discourse too toxic thanks to media and certain lobbyists and think tanks. The political spectrum is increasingly non-existent and has become a grab-bag of slogans to brand any form of active governance, wealth redistribution or taxation as 'socialism', 'communism', 'fascism' etc. All deployed to scare and con your average turkey into voting for Christmas.

My brain says this is true. But my brain also told me that he wouldn't win in 2016.

At any rate, it's completely out of my control, so I guess it's not really worth worrying too much about.

The only thing I could say is that people AREN'T voting for Biden per se, I would heavily a bet a lot are and will be voting for someone that isn't Trump.

I will also say that Trump in 2016 was a very much an unknown minority and quite fresh compared to the rank and file Republicans. People know who and what he is now, he has the cult in a vice and everyone else knows him as the guy who tried to cause an insurrection, possibly sell state secrets, you know, a little bit of light treason.

Haven't the voting rules been changed in a lot of the battleground states to favor Republicans though?

Though of course that backfired when the Conservatives tried it in the UK.

Jesus, where do I start. 62 million Americans voted for him in 2016, compared to Clinton’s 65 million. In 2020, about 75 million voted for Trump compared to Biden’s 81 million. The only reason Trump lost was because he’s such a giant cunt that an extra 16 million democrats turned out to vote against him, but an extra 12-ish turned out to vote for Trump.

The midterms were good evidence that lots of people are put off the GOP, but there’s still a whole lot of fucktards who would vote for Trump in a general.

1.1 million COVID deaths were recorded in the US, about 750 thousand of which were white. Even assuming the whole lot were Republicans (they weren’t) given you don’t have to win the popular vote to win, and the Republican controlled swing states will come up with any kind of bullshit to stop likely Democrat voters from voting, it’s not likely to make the difference you hope.

Yep, 12-13 million more people than 2016.

Given progressives used Twitter for a lot of organising and communication with their base, will be interesting to see how they combat the loss of it.

I doubt it. “What if we made it so the side you want to win always won? What if we made it so you never had to partake in the voting process that we’ve done everything we can to make as difficult as possible?” These people would vote for that.

What would give them pause was them getting their dream of a stacked Supreme Court that then banned abortions even for them, and is looking to ban other things even for them.

How can they Jambo, it's gone.

I think user Aubergine might be suggesting that it has fallen into the hands of the right now. The last liberals being chased away from their previous safe haven by Devil King Musk and his horde of right wing loons.

All the anti-Musk and anti-Twitter stuff still seems to get reported on Twitter, for some reason.

This is literally them going:

"Well, all our investigations so far have turned up no evidence, so there must be obstruction. Now it's official, so there's no obstructions"

It's unfortunate for them that there'll still be no evidence, either.

I can't even tell what the accusation is.

Ehhhhh, it's not a good look. Nothing worthy of impeachment, and it's pretty funny that Republicans now care about this after 4 years of far more blatant shenanigans under Trump.

But Hunter was using the family name and promises of high level access for his business interests. And even if Joe didn't profit from that, it seems he at least knew about it and did nothing to discourage it. That's not great!

But yeah, impeachment is a pretty dumb way to look at it.