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Post by cubby on Nov 6, 2024 12:18:48 GMT
I haven't watched anything us politics this morning, I just can't do it to myself. The only consolation I can take this time is having a much better idea of what to expect of him this time. There was that brief window of time when he was president elect last time where people were thinking "hey maybe he'll suddenly do a 180", but now we all know what shit he will try and do.
The bit that I can't shake is what he'll do in 2028/Jan 2029 specifically. We know what he tried to do the last time, and him and his cronies will have learnt what not to do next time.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Nov 6, 2024 12:24:04 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 6, 2024 12:25:15 GMT
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Nov 6, 2024 12:27:12 GMT
jimnasticsYou won’t get ‘shit’ from me, but I think you need to think about how this makes Labour’s already difficult job much harder from an economics perspective. From a global conflict perspective, Trump has spoken about defunding or even dismantling NATO, which makes everything happening east of us that much more real. Europe needed strengthening as a bloc but we went the the other way and everybody else started to get infected by it too. Russia is definitely odds on to win Cold War 2 IMO. And all because of phones and fucking Facebook. With America, the danger is fundamental changes to the system to keep permanent power. The signs are all there! Won’t help when our media will crucify Labour on everything, both sides every argument and falsely allocate importance to non issues. Had a ray of hope over the summer but .. yeah testing times. Big few years ahead for labour and Europe. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 6, 2024 12:27:33 GMT
I haven't watched anything us politics this morning, I just can't do it to myself. The only consolation I can take this time is having a much better idea of what to expect of him this time. There was that brief window of time when he was president elect last time where people were thinking "hey maybe he'll suddenly do a 180", but now we all know what shit he will try and do. The bit that I can't shake is what he'll do in 2028/Jan 2029 specifically. We know what he tried to do the last time, and him and his cronies will have learnt what not to do next time. My only optimistic counter is that they will all turn on each other and/or fall out of favour with Trump negating how much damage he can do. |
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Post by tincanrocket on Nov 6, 2024 12:27:54 GMT
Actually I bet a few people are looking at themselves in their rear view mirror Telsa today. Fuck I'm a fascist. Well, in some senses if you drive a Tesla you have enabled Trump's presidency. Kinda related, but I was thinking of getting some (difficult to peel off) stickers made to pop on Teslas that read something like 'I helped make Elon Musk the world's first trillionaire', but I guess I can now add 'and Trump 2.0'. Maybe a simple 'Twat' would read better? |
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Post by pizzacrunch on Nov 6, 2024 12:28:23 GMT
One you get allocated your government issue wife she can have all the kids you want, whether she likes it of not. |
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 6, 2024 12:34:30 GMT
I haven't watched anything us politics this morning, I just can't do it to myself. The only consolation I can take this time is having a much better idea of what to expect of him this time. There was that brief window of time when he was president elect last time where people were thinking "hey maybe he'll suddenly do a 180", but now we all know what shit he will try and do. The bit that I can't shake is what he'll do in 2028/Jan 2029 specifically. We know what he tried to do the last time, and him and his cronies will have learnt what not to do next time. That's the thing. If they're serious about this shit we could be looking at Civil War/Handmaid's Tail prepared and planned assault. The storming of the capital last time was an off the cuff thing. My consolation is that they're a bunch of fucking muppets with half a brain cell between them, but hey they have the levers of power now so we'll see. |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 6, 2024 12:36:20 GMT
Jambo may well be right - he fell out with loads of people last time, so you never know. Ego just may get enough in the way. Dems losing the senate for 2 years at least is probably the scariest thing.
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Post by skalpadda on Nov 6, 2024 12:37:47 GMT
I did a purge of news feeds and social media early this year after going through a bit of winter depression. Think It's time to do another one; stick to Swedish and local news for a while, and things that have nothing to do with politics. Apart from a few music and art communities FG is pretty much the only social media I use anymore, so that's already sorted. The problem with that in my place is that even fucking localest of local news bring every fart that Trump makes. I don't know why it should concern inhabitants of a town with barely 200k population far away from the US, but apparently, it brings them ad revenue, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Surely there will be far less of it? And important things filtering through isn't a bad thing, I can just do without [AWFUL SHIT WOT HAPPENED IN 'MURRICA] being thrown in my face first thing every morning. |
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Post by zagibu on Nov 6, 2024 12:48:50 GMT
Not really. Media companies are basically just ad selling companies now, the rich right fuckers launched free media websites and newspapers to destroy the subscriber market, so that they can gain influence on the remaining outlets through ad business. They are also successfully lobbying to cut the funding of the last tv station in the hands of the state, forcing it to also rely more and more on ad business. Then they point to the fact that it has to rely on ad business as a reason to completely get rid of it, because surely if a large part of its revenue is provided by private companies, it can't be neutral anymore. And slowly but certainly, the people here will get as dumb and unfree as the people in the USA.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Nov 6, 2024 12:59:50 GMT
Sooner Skynet takes over the better for everyone tbh
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Nov 6, 2024 13:06:49 GMT
Interesting there is a general, if naturally unhappy, acceptance of the result - imagine if the tables were turned and Kamala won. Cue vocal outrage and claims of "cheating", "fraud" etc from Republicans. Maybe we should be claiming it was 'stolen'.
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Post by drakeypoos on Nov 6, 2024 13:11:29 GMT
One hope I have is that if Trump wants to ‘do a Tiananmen’ as he’s hinted, that the military brass he’d be relying upon to enact that have at least some constitutional fortitude to resist that. However, we’ve already seen this happen in the sixties of course.
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Post by Duffking on Nov 6, 2024 13:21:59 GMT
I get the feeling where the Dems fucked it is on the economy. I think someone else here mentioned the same. It's easy to laugh at CNN etc and even the BBC giving Trump too much credit for his "strong stance on the economy" right after one of his brain-leaking-out-his-ears word salad diatribes, but "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" did resonate with people. The Dems pointing to things actually not being that bad didn't actually help, because telling people for whom things *feel* bad that they aren't *actually* that bad doesn't actually help at all.
It's like in games - sometimes the community will complain that something is unbalanced or unfair, and the developer wheels out the data that says *actually* it's perfectly fair. That's all well and good, but those people still *feel* like it's unfair, and that's not going to change their mind about it, even when the developer is right. In elections, feelings are going to matter more than facts in those kinds of cases and they needed to do way more there.
Obviously it won't help with the racists/people voting because they want to hurt people, but it might have helped with enough to reverse the result.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Nov 6, 2024 13:31:34 GMT
Interesting there is a general, if naturally unhappy, acceptance of the result - imagine if the tables were turned and Kamala won. Cue vocal outrage and claims of "cheating", "fraud" etc from Republicans. Maybe we should be claiming it was 'stolen'. Harris isn't an insane demagogue pushing a fictitious narrative to her bootlicking cult. Because she and her supporters are comparatively sane they'll accept the results. |
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Nov 6, 2024 13:33:41 GMT
It’s not impossible that there was widespread fraud behind Trump’s win, but unlike team cunt I’d want to see some actual evidence before going full-on with the tear gas and zip ties.
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cubby
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Post by cubby on Nov 6, 2024 13:35:36 GMT
Seems like the dems lost 10m voters compared to 2020, and Trump remained the same amount. For whatever reason the dems didn't turnout.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 6, 2024 13:52:09 GMT
I suppose the message of continuity didn't really resonate.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Nov 6, 2024 13:56:50 GMT
I get the feeling where the Dems fucked it is on the economy. I think someone else here mentioned the same. It's easy to laugh at CNN etc and even the BBC giving Trump too much credit for his "strong stance on the economy" right after one of his brain-leaking-out-his-ears word salad diatribes, but "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" did resonate with people. The Dems pointing to things actually not being that bad didn't actually help, because telling people for whom things *feel* bad that they aren't *actually* that bad doesn't actually help at all. It's like in games - sometimes the community will complain that something is unbalanced or unfair, and the developer wheels out the data that says *actually* it's perfectly fair. That's all well and good, but those people still *feel* like it's unfair, and that's not going to change their mind about it, even when the developer is right. In elections, feelings are going to matter more than facts in those kinds of cases and they needed to do way more there. Obviously it won't help with the racists/people voting because they want to hurt people, but it might have helped with enough to reverse the result. I don’t really know how you navigate that. I would just hope people would see that Infaltion was caused by external events and the economy was on the mend and going in the right direction. I know it’s difficult to feel like that when you’re living pay check to pay check but I would hope seeing the bigger picture would inspire a little perspective. In that sense there’s nothing really much an incumbent presidency can do. |
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Post by askew on Nov 6, 2024 13:56:54 GMT
On the upside: only two years until the midterms, and a mere four years until his two terms are done. Hail President Eric! |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 6, 2024 13:59:39 GMT
I get the feeling where the Dems fucked it is on the economy. I think someone else here mentioned the same. It's easy to laugh at CNN etc and even the BBC giving Trump too much credit for his "strong stance on the economy" right after one of his brain-leaking-out-his-ears word salad diatribes, but "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" did resonate with people. The Dems pointing to things actually not being that bad didn't actually help, because telling people for whom things *feel* bad that they aren't *actually* that bad doesn't actually help at all. It's like in games - sometimes the community will complain that something is unbalanced or unfair, and the developer wheels out the data that says *actually* it's perfectly fair. That's all well and good, but those people still *feel* like it's unfair, and that's not going to change their mind about it, even when the developer is right. In elections, feelings are going to matter more than facts in those kinds of cases and they needed to do way more there. Obviously it won't help with the racists/people voting because they want to hurt people, but it might have helped with enough to reverse the result. I don’t really know how you navigate that. I would just hope people would see that Infaltion was caused by external events and that it was on the mend and going in the right direction. I know it’s difficult to feel like that when you’re living pay check to pay check but would hope seeing the bigger picture would inspire a little perspective. In that sense there’s nothing really much an incumbent presidency can do. The bigger picture is a luxury when you're living pay check to pay check. Being told that the economy is doing well when you are in fact not and someone on the other side is agreeing with you and promises to help you, which one would you take? |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 6, 2024 13:59:46 GMT
Wizzard_Ook, that's the problem though - a lot of people don't look at wider issues and see it as the president/governing party's problem to fix it.
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 6, 2024 14:03:03 GMT
The world didn't end in 2016, it won't end in 2024.
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Post by askew on Nov 6, 2024 14:07:28 GMT
Still got 7 weeks to go, Rob: ballsy prediction
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Post by drhickman1983 on Nov 6, 2024 14:13:47 GMT
The world won't end but it is a little bit shitter. (Or quite a bit shitter for some demographics in the US, or for people living in Ukraine etc)
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 6, 2024 14:14:22 GMT
Wizzard_Ook, that's the problem though - a lot of people don't look at wider issues and see it as the president/governing party's problem to fix it. Not to mention that Trump somehow convinced them that the Oval Office had a keyboard full of magic buttons with which to fix problems, and Sleepy Joe, KAMABLA and the Demoncrats just weren't pressing them. Not that the lack of said keyboard matters, considering he's apparently going to get the House and Senate too and already has the SCROTUS in his pocket... |
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 6, 2024 14:17:39 GMT
Most people want things to improve for themselves.
One candidate blames immigrants and says he’ll fix it.
The other says we’ll do what we have been doing and we’re not the other guy.
I’d bet very few people ever put much thought into who will sort it out. If anyone thinks the majority are going to look at and understand the global factors and how they cause inflation and the complexities around that is living in a fantasy. People see less money and things are more expensive.
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Post by zagibu on Nov 6, 2024 14:19:13 GMT
The world didn't end in 2016, it won't end in 2024. Well, Trump will only take over next year, so, yeah... |
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Post by zisssou on Nov 6, 2024 14:19:34 GMT
If you think Biden was so good why didn't he solve world peace? HUH GOT YOU THERE.
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