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Post by Dougs on Nov 6, 2024 9:36:02 GMT
No-one is saying we can't want a better/different outcome. But it's an outcome that few of us here could influence and virtually all of us won't be directly impacted by.
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 6, 2024 9:36:19 GMT
Am I being really fucking thick here but... doesn't Trump still win that even if all the Stein voters voted for Harris? Yep With 99% of the votes in Virginia being counted Harris has over 200,000 more votes than Trump anyway, for what little it matters. She won the state despite the Green vote. European Greens pleaded with Stein to stand down as she couldn't win but could help Trump, she ignored them. |
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Post by dfunked on Nov 6, 2024 9:39:07 GMT
Yeah, that tweet wound me up a bit. Instead of attacking the voters (who wouldn't have made a difference), maybe attack the politician who helped out Trump by not standing down.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 6, 2024 9:39:41 GMT
Anyone else’s children this morning depressed? My daughter (16) especially was upset. She was pretty much how can a rapist, con man, convict get elected? What’s the point? Sad times seeing that in your kids. Yes, mine are. I can see how it's worse for your daughter, for the reasons you mention. Both my sons are upset. And it doesn't help having Orbán gloating all over the situation as it adds a layer of shame to Hungarian kids who have nothing to be ashamed about. |
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Post by jimnastics on Nov 6, 2024 9:39:51 GMT
Anyone else’s children this morning depressed? My daughter (16) especially was upset. She was pretty much how can a rapist, con man, convict get elected? What’s the point? Sad times seeing that in your kids. I think it's important to stress that we are not the US, we're allies on the global stage (sadly a necessity) and that's about it. There's no more reason to be more upset about this than any of the other terrible humans who have been elected in the West in recent decades. I will bite my tongue when it comes to my honest opinion on the US, I'll just say that I think Brits by and large get far too personally and emotionally attached to that country.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Nov 6, 2024 9:40:03 GMT
No-one is saying we can't want a better/different outcome. But it's an outcome that few of us here could influence and virtually all of us won't be directly impacted by. Yes, but I was just addressing why I'm concerned about it. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 6, 2024 9:42:00 GMT
Well excuse me for not wanting one of the predominant global powers, whose power is such that influences other countries economics and culture, to not be steered by right wing lunatics. Like I said, this should be the catalyst for the rest of the world to minimise that like the EU minimised our ability to influence them because we can't be trusted not to vote for morons. |
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Post by mothercruncher on Nov 6, 2024 9:44:39 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 6, 2024 9:45:57 GMT
Why does bear killing lunatic RFK Jnr still get quoted in news articles? Because he's going to be the next head of the Dept of Health? |
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Post by peacemaker on Nov 6, 2024 9:50:14 GMT
Anyone else’s children this morning depressed? My daughter (16) especially was upset. She was pretty much how can a rapist, con man, convict get elected? What’s the point? Sad times seeing that in your kids. I think it's important to stress that we are not the US, we're allies on the global stage (sadly a necessity) and that's about it. There's no more reason to be more upset about this than any of the other terrible humans who have been elected in the West in recent decades. I will bite my tongue when it comes to my honest opinion on the US, I'll just say that I think Brits by and large get far too personally and emotionally attached to that country.
I did also explain brexit in depth and how it’s just if not more mental than trump getting in. You’re right it’s not our country but we are similar here, we kept Tory numb nuts in for 14 years and voted brexit. Also what America does affects us if we like it or not. Our government’s have consistently over the years just done everything they can to suck up to America no matter how it affects our standing with other allies or what is right or wrong. The Labour Party will be no different, we will be rimming America as much as we can to get the crumbs that fall from the table. |
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Post by Duffking on Nov 6, 2024 9:50:26 GMT
I don't know about that. Its where the 'but you're one of the good ones' comes from. Fear of the unknown, really, and its very easy to play on that if the person on the receiving end is an uncritical idiot. I don't think it's fair or helpful to label people good and bad. People vote for the person/party that they feel will benefit them. The greater good of the world is secondary to what you feel will be best for you as an individual or a family. It's democracy.
I won't put this as strongly as I'd like to, but I'll just say I disagree fundamentally with the concept that you can be a good or smart person and vote for Donald Trump. You fundamentally have to be lacking one of those two traits. You're right that some will be voting for the party they feel will benefit them, but that's because of a lack of column B, and the rest are doing it because they want to hurt people.
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Post by rftp on Nov 6, 2024 9:51:18 GMT
No-one is saying we can't want a better/different outcome. But it's an outcome that few of us here could influence and virtually all of us won't be directly impacted by. The idea it won't really affect anything is nonsense, though. There's already been reporting on what the proposed tariffs will do to the world economy, for example - including predictions of their affecting the UK's growth and inflation negatively. And there's a lot more issues that that one thing. It's not possible to take this event, set it aside and look at it in isolation for anything other than curiosity. In reality, it's absolutely reasonable to consider the implications of this as being momentous. |
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Post by skalpadda on Nov 6, 2024 9:52:51 GMT
Oh well, bye USA, it was nice knowing you. No, you're probably not going to get God Emperor Trump, another civil war or WW3. You might, but probably not. There will probably be another election in four years. You're just going to Hungary yourselves. Hope we Europeans can get our shit together. If I was in a hopeful mood I'd say maybe this could be a boot in our backside that we need, but I'm not optimistic about that either. The variable that remains is will he try to do any of the things he's said? Or will it just be like his first term, wacky noise headlines and not much actual policy? Of course he will, he tried to do most of the things he said he would last time. This is the man who wanted the military to "just shoot them" and said "the Chinese generals would know what to do" when the BLM protests happened. He's utterly insane - there were just people telling him "no" then. There will be far fewer of those now, so hold on to your butts. What a shower of shit, I just cannot comprehend how thus is happening. When we saw Bruce Springsteen in concert back in July, he asked us to pray for his Country. Oh my It's happening because the social contract is broken (or at least in the process of being broken) by the upper classes while we've let a culture that's all about "got mine" take root and fester. Centrist and liberal parties refuse to have an ideology anymore - they only have "issues" - so there's nothing for people to rally around. (The closest thing to a counterpoint the US has had in recent years is Bernie and AoC).
And we're letting people get evil and stupid and don't slap them in the face when they do and say evil stupid things that threaten all of us. If we're not willing to defend the fundamental principles of a liberal democratic society, this is what happens. |
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Post by askew on Nov 6, 2024 10:00:44 GMT
The first loser to get back in again.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 6, 2024 10:01:02 GMT
No-one is saying we can't want a better/different outcome. But it's an outcome that few of us here could influence and virtually all of us won't be directly impacted by. If anything, we'll be impacted the most. |
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Post by Duffking on Nov 6, 2024 10:01:13 GMT
One thing you can hope for is that the work ethic of everyone involved is as weak as it was going in. Trumps a lazy shitbag, and so is Musk (who spends all day either tweeting, playing video games or probably wanking over doing actual work). RFK is pretty dangerous though.
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 6, 2024 10:06:48 GMT
No-one is saying we can't want a better/different outcome. But it's an outcome that few of us here could influence and virtually all of us won't be directly impacted by. The idea it won't really affect anything is nonsense, though. There's already been reporting on what the proposed tariffs will do to the world economy, for example - including predictions of their affecting the UK's growth and inflation negatively. And there's a lot more issues that that one thing. It's not possible to take this event, set it aside and look at it in isolation for anything other than curiosity. In reality, it's absolutely reasonable to consider the implications of this as being momentous. It's quite probable that Joe Bloggs will not really notice much directly, as things like GDP growth and foreign trade barriers aren't going to affect them directly. People are going to notice more parochial things like how shit their local school is or how well maintained the roads are, or of they feel safe out walking at night. Ofc, it is all distally related. I love me a bit of geopolitics and armchair economics. But it's all a bit distant in reality for most people's day to day. More critically there is *absolutely nothing any of us can do about this election result* so spending too much emotional energy on it is more self destructive than anything. Could be worse. You could *live* there. (Sorry Gremmi. Thoughts and prayers) |
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Post by lukasz on Nov 6, 2024 10:13:53 GMT
Ukraine completely fucked then as well. Palestine as well |
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Post by skalpadda on Nov 6, 2024 10:15:15 GMT
One thing you can hope for is that the work ethic of everyone involved is as weak as it was going in. Trumps a lazy shitbag, and so is Musk (who spends all day either tweeting, playing video games or probably wanking over doing actual work). RFK is pretty dangerous though. Having the far right authoritarian atministration (and yeah, other batshit insane people like Wormbrain) write policy for Trump to rubber stamp isn't better to any meaningful extent. There's unlikely to be many technocrats or old conservatives that still have a fundamental commitment to democracy this time. We'll probably be nostalgic for John fucking Bolton by the time this is over.
And to all the Americans here: all my hugs, and I hope you can weather this until an opportunity turns up to turn things around somehow.
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Post by rajin on Nov 6, 2024 10:15:26 GMT
I would advise anyone against (doom) scrolling politics/forums for a while. Especially if you are already struggling with depression and anxiety.
It certainly has dampened my mood but sadly knew he would win after seeing the overall lack of support for Harris (who blew her support and energy at the start). Unfortunately, just like high level sport competititons, when and how you peak matters. I sadly also think Elons support did not help matters either.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Nov 6, 2024 10:15:55 GMT
In the 20+ years I've lived in the UK only 2 events have had a genuine and noticeable on my life the 2007 - 2008 financial crisis and covid.
All the wars, Brexit, elections and atrocities of the last two decades have simply been shit I moaned about on EG or watched on TV.
The average working professional in the UK is so insulated from these events it's absurd. Palestine, Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, Yemen, Haiti, Burkina Faso and all the other places enduring the most vicious unimaginable violence and trauma are all devastatingly awful but I'll be shopping at Sainsburys later, watching something via streaming, sport at the weekend.
That's the callous reality of the modern world.
Trumps presidency will be 4 years of headlines but will it really be anything to me beyond a few tweets or posts here? I doubt it, it will likely have the same impact as 2016. Nil.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Nov 6, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
I've lost all respect for asparagus reading after this
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Post by X201 on Nov 6, 2024 10:20:02 GMT
The first loser to get back in again. Grover Cleveland |
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Nov 6, 2024 10:23:58 GMT
Trumps presidency will be 4 years of headlines but will it really be anything to me beyond a few tweets or posts here? I doubt it, it will likely have the same impact as 2016. Nil. Won’t affect me either, but my concern is for the people it will affect. |
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Post by rawshark on Nov 6, 2024 10:31:04 GMT
No-one is saying we can't want a better/different outcome. But it's an outcome that few of us here could influence and virtually all of us won't be directly impacted by. If anything, we'll be impacted the most. I always knew James Corden would trigger the apocalypse. |
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Post by rawshark on Nov 6, 2024 10:32:20 GMT
One thing you can hope for is that the work ethic of everyone involved is as weak as it was going in. Trumps a lazy shitbag, and so is Musk (who spends all day either tweeting, playing video games or probably wanking over doing actual work). RFK is pretty dangerous though. Urgh. Tweeting. |
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Post by askew on Nov 6, 2024 10:33:16 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Nov 6, 2024 10:35:10 GMT
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Nov 6, 2024 10:39:20 GMT
Wis-Con's-in
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Post by zisssou on Nov 6, 2024 10:39:55 GMT
"Dollar and Bitcoin soars as Trump wins presidency"
The crash is happening guys.
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