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Post by Dougs on Nov 4, 2024 16:14:21 GMT
A quick Google suggests that US exit polls are bobbins.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 4, 2024 16:18:49 GMT
Pretty much. A fair few of them are just hedging their bets and some are clearly done with confirmation bias in mind. Regardless of what happens the result will will be whatever it is, America will still be fundamentally fucked going forward by the absolutely lunacy that has gripped it for the last 9 years and the machinations of the world's richest man doing everything he can to sow more disinformation while being desperate for people to like him.
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 4, 2024 16:21:24 GMT
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Post by simple on Nov 4, 2024 16:27:27 GMT
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Post by ForkHandles on Nov 4, 2024 16:36:59 GMT
A quick Google suggests that US exit polls are bobbins. Using all the dodgy polls showing Trump is winning as evidence of cheating by the Democrats should Harris win is what it's all about. It's the same playbook as before 'I can only lose if they cheat'. It's just crazy all the way down.
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Post by Tuffty on Nov 4, 2024 16:41:35 GMT
I mean Musk kinda told on himself by saying that he's gonna act as some kind of Greyworm like figure over Trump and act as some kind of President from the shadows. Think it came from some interview with Netanyahu who said he'll be unofficial President and Musk is like "Pretty much".
Found this pretty interesting, Buttigieg is a pretty good speaker. It is annoying tho, "I'm an undecided voter" but then you're electing an independent like Jill Stein. You're very much decided.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 4, 2024 16:49:39 GMT
Saw the clip of the woman from 28 mins in earlier. It's just so hilariously obvious that she's in no way "undecided".
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Post by Dougs on Nov 4, 2024 16:54:53 GMT
A quick Google suggests that US exit polls are bobbins. Using all the dodgy polls showing Trump is winning as evidence of cheating by the Democrats should Harris win is what it's all about. It's the same playbook as before 'I can only lose if they cheat'. It's just crazy all the way down.
Yeah, I knew the polls that have been published to date are bullshit but had hoped that the actual exit poll wss half decent (seeing as ours is a very good indication). But because of time zones and time of first publication, the US exit polls change all night to be practically worthless.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 4, 2024 17:04:02 GMT
I mean Musk kinda told on himself by saying that he's gonna act as some kind of Greyworm like figure over Trump and act as some kind of President from the shadows. Think it came from some interview with Netanyahu who said he'll be unofficial President and Musk is like "Pretty much". Found this pretty interesting, Buttigieg is a pretty good speaker. It is annoying tho, "I'm an undecided voter" but then you're electing an independent like Jill Stein. You're very much decided. The Stein vote is an interesting one as it purely is single issue voting for a lot of people. In places like Michigan where there's a large Arab population it obviously resonates with a lot of people of her criticism of Israel but it's also interesting how they ignore consciously or unconsciously everything deeply problematic about her; her suspect views on Putin, speech that does allude to her being trabsphobic. It's all troubling stuff and I guess for some people it's performative, for some people it's that they aren't being listened to so a protest vote is the order of the day and for others its their misguided belief that it will lead to accelerationism and America will eventually abandon capitalism which just makes my mind boggle at the ridiculousness of it all.
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Post by peekconfusion on Nov 4, 2024 17:05:32 GMT
I sort of understand how the polls were kind of close when Boden was around, but I'm astonished that they are apparently so close when the Harris campaign has seemed mostly competent but Trump has just lurched for dickhead moment to dickhead moment for weeks. It's like he doesn't give a shit anymore and will say any old shit that comes into his head.
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Post by ForkHandles on Nov 4, 2024 17:27:34 GMT
Using all the dodgy polls showing Trump is winning as evidence of cheating by the Democrats should Harris win is what it's all about. It's the same playbook as before 'I can only lose if they cheat'. It's just crazy all the way down.
Yeah, I knew the polls that have been published to date are bullshit but had hoped that the actual exit poll wss half decent (seeing as ours is a very good indication). But because of time zones and time of first publication, the US exit polls change all night to be practically worthless. Yeah, they don't always include the mailed in votes in the exit polls which the eejits then claim are all fraudulently mailed in by illegal ballot stuffing radical hard left forrins or something. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'm telling everyone what they already know in more detail than me!
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Post by baihu1983 on Nov 4, 2024 17:29:49 GMT
Trumps coming off as beaten over the last week. Or he's seriously unwell and running on empty.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Nov 4, 2024 17:35:39 GMT
Wow: Standard issue excuse bolted on later:
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Post by dfunked on Nov 4, 2024 17:37:40 GMT
Ah, the classic Roseanne defence.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 4, 2024 18:13:02 GMT
I often become super bigoted when I take medication.
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Post by zephro on Nov 4, 2024 18:37:45 GMT
Having worked US elections. It's not just Exit Polls. They announce the actual votes while voting is going on. If the embed still work www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/us2020/results you should be able to zoom in on any state and look at the counties. So roughly every 30 minutes you get updates of the current count in every county that's doing it at that time. Some places were every 15 minutes. So around 9pm UK time data starts coming in. Which is 4pm Eastern when the polls aren't even closed. Poll closing times in local time also vary by state, because of course they do. So you essentially get a fuck load of county level incremental count updates over the course of 12-36 hours. While people are still voting. Which seems insane. Oh then they "call" the states. Which is when they think someone has almost probably certainly won. But they have fucked that up before. That's the press though rather than election officials. Sometimes they just open the first box in a blue/red state, go "yep it's 80% votes for X, fuck it I'm calling it now".
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Post by Duffking on Nov 4, 2024 18:48:51 GMT
I honestly think anyone who is genuinely "undecided" at this stage in the US (and isn't just apathetic because they hate them all) needs their head checking.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 4, 2024 19:03:27 GMT
Moved posts from World Politics to here. Brain can't cope!
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Post by X201 on Nov 4, 2024 19:27:40 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 4, 2024 19:32:09 GMT
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Post by Ulythium on Nov 4, 2024 19:51:29 GMT
I saw that RFK Jr. stuff earlier. Truly mind-boggling.
A vote for Donald Trump isn't just a vote for an orange-skinned, fascist wannabe, fake millionaire, senile, washed-up reality TV star - it's *also* a vote for noted conspiracy nut RFK Jr. to be consulted on matters of public health, and for Elon 'My Meme Game Is Strong' Musk to spearhead the economy!
And this election is *still* neck-and-neck? Jesus chainsaw-juggling Christ, America!
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 4, 2024 19:59:24 GMT
Speaking of stupid appointments, apparently he just said that his choice to lead the missile defense system is... Herschel Walker. As in the football player. Because it's called the nuclear football.
If you thought the above was just a joke on my part, well... You may or may not be right, but this is the man that brings up "the late, great" Hannibal Lecter when talking about immigrants because his headsponge confuses asylum seekers with people from insane asylums! Who's to say that "football player -> nuclear football" wasn't the exact "thought" process??
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Post by X201 on Nov 4, 2024 20:06:50 GMT
Nuclear arsenal - James Corden
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Post by simple on Nov 4, 2024 20:16:01 GMT
The anti-Harris stuff on the Left is frustrating but I assume that America is so big that it won’t dent her chances. Shouting that she’s a crypto-fascist because she’d been a DA.
Like I’m sure she isn’t perfect but what do they think will happen if she doesn’t get in? Have they seen the other guy?
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Post by Dougs on Nov 4, 2024 20:17:19 GMT
No different to over here really.
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Post by JuniorFE on Nov 4, 2024 20:23:58 GMT
The anti-Harris stuff on the Left is frustrating but I assume that America is so big that it won’t dent her chances. Shouting that she’s a crypto-fascist because she’d been a DA. Like I’m sure she isn’t perfect but what do they think will happen if she doesn’t get in? Have they seen the other guy? Perfect is the enemy of good, etc
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 4, 2024 20:24:03 GMT
I mean *gestures at the current state of ‘they will be more left wing in government’*
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 4, 2024 20:30:22 GMT
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Nov 4, 2024 20:50:36 GMT
"Read my mind."
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Post by 😎 on Nov 4, 2024 20:57:51 GMT
Rourke has been a vocal opponent of Trump for ages.
But he’s also pro Russia and a fan of Putin, so he’s an oddity.
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