X201
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Post by X201 on Jul 21, 2024 19:35:17 GMT
Also, not convinced 2024 America is the America that's going to elect a female president. And certainly not a black female president.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 21, 2024 19:37:08 GMT
Rapist/liar/cheat/fraud/convicted felon YES An old guy who forgot some names END OF THE WORLD I've seen people wearing this shirt. No irony. #notacult
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 21, 2024 19:43:30 GMT
If Harris puts on a tan suit then it's all over for her.
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Ulythium
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 21, 2024 19:53:57 GMT
I think Biden's decision to step down is the correct one, but I'm honestly gutted for the guy - he's a good man, and he deserves better than to go out like this.
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Post by Danno on Jul 21, 2024 20:01:39 GMT
I think Biden's decision to step down is the correct one, but I'm honestly gutted for the guy - he's a good man, and he deserves better than to go out like this. Events, dear boy. I tend to agree but this has a horribly high chance of being too little, too late and propelled this far by one or more of his stubbornness, his failure to read the gigantic room, his selfishness or his mental state. He's burned a lot of goodwill with me by letting his frailty dominate the narrative for so long. Then there's fucking Gaza...
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 21, 2024 20:05:55 GMT
Should've let Hunter take over.
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Post by Danno on Jul 21, 2024 20:08:06 GMT
"HIS LAPTOP"
"Yeah, umm.. that guy's rapes"
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 21, 2024 20:25:31 GMT
Danno I totally agree that he should've made this decision sooner, and I wish to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that he had done; however, I still can't find it in me to blame him for digging in his heels. This is one motherfucker of an end to a career dedicated to public service.
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Post by Danno on Jul 21, 2024 20:33:54 GMT
Danno I totally agree that he should've made this decision sooner, and I wish to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that he had done; however, I still can't find it in me to blame him for digging in his heels. This is one motherfucker of an end to a career dedicated to public service. It's the dichotomy of clinging on despite plummeting/soaring ratings and a lifetime of public service that irritates me. He was dead in the water a month ago. He knows what's at stake.
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Post by drakesmoke on Jul 21, 2024 20:45:16 GMT
I liked Biden but country must come first. We’ve seen enough in the UK to know this. He did do wrong by not stepping aside earlier.
Edit - by country first, I mean in terms of serving it rather than yourself/party. I’d hope that’s clear but I guess the above could come across as nationalist which I’m not - I fucking hate my country!
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Post by zephro on Jul 21, 2024 20:49:20 GMT
I liked Biden but country must come first. We’ve seen enough in the UK to know this. He did do wrong by not stepping aside earlier. Edit - by country first, I mean in terms of serving it rather than yourself/party. I’d hope that’s clear but I guess the above could come across as nationalist which I’m not - I fucking hate my country! It is fine to like your country, just being a dick about it is what makes one a nationalist. Though even earlier than like a month ago and stepping aside, he should have been planning on handing the torch over and bringing more Democrats to prominence over the whole 4 year term, so the succession was smoother and more obvious.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 21, 2024 20:52:37 GMT
I think we're all broadly in agreement on this front.
Oh, well - onwards and (hopefully) upwards!
It'll be interesting to see whether the party gets behind Harris over the next few days - Biden has obviously endorsed her as his replacement, but he doesn't have any power to make that official.
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Post by Danno on Jul 21, 2024 21:04:46 GMT
I do like a violent agreement
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Post by peekconfusion on Jul 21, 2024 21:18:01 GMT
Biden may well have needed to step down, but it feels like the Democrats have forced their own hand in the worst way possible. It feels like their management of the whole situation post-debate has been utterly useless. For all our sakes, I hope they have a coherent plan waiting to go, but I don't see it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 21, 2024 21:20:27 GMT
We'll see...
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Post by elstoof on Jul 21, 2024 21:26:48 GMT
Lol
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jul 21, 2024 21:30:40 GMT
Also, not convinced 2024 America is the America that's going to elect a female president. And certainly not a black female president. My hope is that anyone who wouldn't vote for her for those reasons would likely already be voting for Trump anyway.
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Post by cubby on Jul 21, 2024 21:43:15 GMT
To those of you who feel bad for Biden having to step down, I wouldn't feel too bad for him, he'll have forgotten about it by tomorrow.
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Post by Danno on Jul 21, 2024 21:47:26 GMT
To those of you who feel bad for Biden having to step down, I wouldn't feel too bad for him, he'll have forgotten about it by tomorrow. He'll be running again too
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Post by Tuffty on Jul 21, 2024 23:53:09 GMT
Trump does what he does best, cries about it
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 22, 2024 0:14:18 GMT
Notice how there's no mention of Biden being old, sleepy or such, as he would normally love to say... Does he actually have the mental faculties to realise the irony that he's in the "oldest" position now?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 22, 2024 0:21:45 GMT
Now, if the Democrats can only find someone who people are going to be enthusiastic about voting for, they will be in with a good chance.
I'm not super hopeful, though. I've never seen a party that habitually moans about their own fucking candidates to the extent that they do.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 22, 2024 0:31:52 GMT
Now, if the Democrats can only find someone who people are going to be enthusiastic about voting for, they will be in with a good chance. I'm not super hopeful, though. I've never seen a party that habitually moans about their own fucking candidates to the extent that they do. You should meet the UK Labour Party...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 22, 2024 0:43:45 GMT
All the endorsements coming for Harris it seems pretty inevitable that she's going to be the candidate also 30 million already raised in donations since the announcement of Biden. Pretty insane.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jul 22, 2024 0:53:51 GMT
Yeah some of the big name alternatives have already fallen in line behind her. Mark Kelly as running mate? He brings Arizona, tough guy, NASA astronaut and US Navy pilot, plus his wife was literally shot in the head in an attempted political assassination so the Dems can kinda #MeToo on that aspect.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 22, 2024 0:57:26 GMT
I think they should have an open convention, so it feels a little more democratic than Biden just annointing a successor.
But whatever, any alternative has to be better. At the very least, she would absolutely cream Donald Trump in a debate.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Jul 22, 2024 1:23:03 GMT
Wow. I know we've been talking about it for ages, but part of me still didn't really expect him to step aside.
It feels like they've basically already committed to Harris. I'm not sure she was the best choice, but I think they're probably gonna have to go with it now. I'd probably have kept her as VP, with someone more popular as the presidential candidate, but what the hell. Realistically, at this point, her running mate needs to be some governor from a swing state that they need to win.
Even if it's pretty guaranteed to be her, I feel like they should have some kind of open convention or primary, if only for the news coverage and chance to get her face and their message out there.
One of the issues Biden had was that lots of people couldn't really name any of his achievements, and so the only things they associated with him were inflation and age. The democrats really need to get some control over the narrative, and get some platforms and issues out there, be they abortion or something else.
I just hope Harris does a better job in any debates and interviews than she did last time...
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Post by lukasz on Jul 22, 2024 1:49:55 GMT
There is just not enough time to pick someone else.
Contesting that will result in trump winning and people who contested will be blamed for it for splitting the vote (even if she had lost without contest)
Newsome is the most famous but being Californian guy and what's happening there there is no way he can step in.
So Harris is the best choice it seems. And if she loses, and trump is a predicted disaster, democrats will be in better position to fight republicans in 2028.
But of course the insanity and hard work of gop is to ensure that they will never lose again no matter what voters want.
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Post by peekconfusion on Jul 22, 2024 3:30:38 GMT
All the people saying Donald Trump would get destroyed in a debate by anyone else clearly haven't played chess against a pigeon.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 22, 2024 3:46:26 GMT
All the people saying Donald Trump would get destroyed in a debate by anyone else clearly haven't played chess against a pigeon. She has a lot more ammo against him though, and the energy to shoot it. She was an Attorney General and prosecutor, he's a convicted felon. She's a woman and a minority, not only has he constantly railed against both (and is a known rapist) but abortion is on the ballot this year. He kept pushing the "Biden is old and inept" line, guess who's the older one in the matchup now by far. His speech at the RNC was as weak as Biden's in the debate, and she knows how to cut through bullshit... And she already has experience questioning and debating his cronies, including big names like Kavanaugh and Pence. Not to mention Trump has already tied himself to Vance while Harris' running mate is unknown. It's still not going to be easy, mind... But I'm cautiously optimistic that, assuming Trump doesn't refuse to debate on some crap like "she wasn't supposed to be the nominee, she wasn't democratically selected, the crooked Radical Left Democrats" blah blah blah (read: he's too chicken), she will outperform him. And if nothing else, she's already drummed up a lot of enthusiasm from donors/officials and the public both.
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