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Post by hicksy on Jun 28, 2024 5:09:38 GMT
Orange turd took the advantage as it looked like a mild breeze might take down Biden. I find it bizarre another party candidate is not standing against Turd as surely most anyone competent and not senile would have a great chance of beating Crim Turd…
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Post by Resident Knievel on Jun 28, 2024 6:06:40 GMT
We're going to have to suffer a fascist US that'll drag the world backwards because Democrats couldn't find a better candidate than a senile old man.
More Independants will vote for Trump now because he lies with conviction rather than bumble his words out (at least in the debates and relarive to Biden).
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Post by Dougs on Jun 28, 2024 6:49:16 GMT
Doesn't look good for Biden. Long way till November though, would be far more worried if this was in October or something.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 28, 2024 6:51:01 GMT
A democrat with a decent public profile could still easily pick it up from here and perform a lot better than him. It’s astounding they’re sticking with him.
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Post by peekconfusion on Jun 28, 2024 6:56:12 GMT
A democrat with a decent public profile could still easily pick it up from here and perform a lot better than him. It’s astounding they’re sticking with him. Who though? People have been saying this for months. "We need someone younger!", "We need someone more dynamic" - I don't disagree but I also don't see many credible names being put forward.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 28, 2024 6:58:33 GMT
I've said it before, but it would be great if Trump died. I'm not wishing death on him, just saying that him dying really would be quite nice and helpful right now.
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Post by apollo on Jun 28, 2024 7:09:03 GMT
I've said it before, but it would be great if Trump died. I'm not wishing death on him, just saying that him dying really would be quite nice and helpful right now. it would be the best death, greeatest ever, way better than any other president, so many people, best people, there would be strong men with tears, who never cried in their life.
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Post by cubby on Jun 28, 2024 7:14:08 GMT
It would be the most MAGA funeral the world has ever seen.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 28, 2024 7:21:22 GMT
He really is quite unique. There's plenty of politicians with shitty toxic views, but most people have some kind of shame reflex that kicks in when they know they've gone too far. He just doesn't have it.
I suppose the good part of his uniqueness, is that the bullshit will hopefully die down a lot once he's off the scene. I don't think there's anyone else who could get away with it.
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Post by apollo on Jun 28, 2024 7:28:55 GMT
Trump is different to all the other shitty fascist wannabe dictators, he has willing cult that worships him and throws money at him
I lived in the US for ages and I know Biden's performance at the "debate" will be very damaging with the people on the fence, despite the fact the alternative is the massive cunt that is trump
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 28, 2024 7:28:58 GMT
Edit- in response to MolarArm's "he is unique" comment.
Biggest issue with that is that a second term Trump will be surrounded by truly insane people. It might have sounded mad at the time, but Mike Pence as VP at least meant there was someone that knew the rules and observed them. We saw that on Jan 6th and you can be certain that Trump will not have anyone around him again that will follow the rules instead of doing as he demands.
The best case scenario is that those people are just a bunch of yes persons, rather than ideological motivated. The yes people will only care about doing what is best for Trump and probably won't care too much about what happens beyond his presidency, whilst the ideological person will want to reshape the system so that their lot are in power for good.
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Post by Tomo on Jun 28, 2024 7:32:39 GMT
Oh god. Just woken up to the headlines and watched the Biden clips. Beginning to push Mitch McConnell levels of brain meltdown. Deeply concerning.
Trump getting back in is a prospect that genuinely actually terrifies. Like, the next 6 months are one massive source of anxiety. And Biden fucking up at the first opportunity is not the therapy I was hoping for... Only silver lining is that it's so early in the race.
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Post by Frog on Jun 28, 2024 7:36:06 GMT
I'm happy to wish death on him. Nothing wrong with wanting an evil piece of shit off the planet.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 28, 2024 7:38:09 GMT
Can't watch but am catching up with the panels which broadcast it. Very depressing.
Yea Trump in the WH is a prospect which makes me wonder if the planet has a future - if any of us have a future.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 28, 2024 7:41:11 GMT
Unfortunately this was all too predictable. With so much at stake it was reckless not to pass the mantle to someone else. I feel like it’s inevitable now. Ukraine is fucked. LGBTQ+ rights are fucked. Anyone who crossed Trump in the last decade is fucked.
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Post by apollo on Jun 28, 2024 7:48:02 GMT
Trump getting into the white house means the fat orange cunt will withdraw USA from NATO just like putin wants, and the end of weapons for Ukraine. Also lots of hate for LGBT groups and more racial hatred spread across the USA
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 28, 2024 7:51:48 GMT
A democrat with a decent public profile could still easily pick it up from here and perform a lot better than him. It’s astounding they’re sticking with him. Who though? People have been saying this for months. "We need someone younger!", "We need someone more dynamic" - I don't disagree but I also don't see many credible names being put forward. Literally anyone that people have heard of that is already a politician. People just need an option that isn’t Trump, and having that person looking like he needs to be in a home is very offputting.
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Post by eleven63 on Jun 28, 2024 7:52:12 GMT
It's fucked that Trump is ahead in the polls! If the orange turd gets in it will be Europe v USA/China/Russia. We're fucked.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 28, 2024 7:52:24 GMT
Obviously not Hilary though, she’s deep state.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 28, 2024 7:53:29 GMT
Keir Starmer now really wondering if he wants the job that much.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 28, 2024 7:54:17 GMT
Kamala Harris is probably the most important Democrat now.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jun 28, 2024 7:57:53 GMT
Thing is if Trump behaves in the WH as we all expect him to do then surely a civil war is a real possibility, then the question becomes "well, what sort of American are you?".
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 28, 2024 8:02:58 GMT
I was still up and watched most of it live. It was honestly worse than the clips make out. Even when Biden was talking on topic, he mumbled and was barely understandable. The lack of energy was something else.
Trump surprised by not interrupting too much nor attacking him on it at every opportunity like I expected.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 28, 2024 8:07:17 GMT
I guess who knew it was better to let Biden destroy himself. Well we still have time for Democrats look at this and for Biden to look at this otherwise, yeah, America goes to this guy who will most likely bring the country down just like uncle Vlad planned.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 28, 2024 8:07:24 GMT
I was still up and watched most of it live. It was honestly worse than the clips make out. Even when Biden was talking on topic, he mumbled and was barely understandable. The lack of energy was something else. Trump surprised by not interrupting too much nor attacking him on it at every opportunity like I expected. They cut the microphones during the opponents turn this time around to avoid the interruptions that happened last time.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 28, 2024 8:10:27 GMT
I was up as well and watched about 10 minutes and that's all I could stand, my Mum is the same age as Biden and even with all the medical issues that age inflicts on people she would have done better in the debate despite having bugger all knowledge of the subjects in question.
Both of the candidates are too old but Trump was able to spout absolute shite like the sleazy con man he's been for decades while Biden was almost certainly trying to tell the truth but looked like he was going to just fade away and disappear.
He shouldn't be the Democratic candidate and this was very obvious last night.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 28, 2024 8:12:31 GMT
He could still have shouted him down constantly even if the TV audience couldn’t hear, which is what I expected. TBH Biden would have utterly crumbled under any pressure like that
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Post by rawshark on Jun 28, 2024 8:18:33 GMT
I read somewhere that one of the GoP’s missions for this debate was to not make Trump look deranged, so if he seemed less petulant than usual that might be why. Of course the Democratic goal was for Biden not to look too old and that was a massive fail.
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Post by X201 on Jun 28, 2024 8:19:11 GMT
Who though? People have been saying this for months. "We need someone younger!", "We need someone more dynamic" - I don't disagree but I also don't see many credible names being put forward. Literally anyone that people have heard of that is already a politician. People just need an option that isn’t Trump, and having that person looking like he needs to be in a home is very offputting. But that comes with its own problem. The optics of asking/telling Kamala Harris to stand aside and let someone else through. The optics of moving a black woman out of the way to parachute in - presumably - a white man, is not a good look.
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Post by TheSaint on Jun 28, 2024 8:25:03 GMT
They need to beg Michelle Obama to run.
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