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Post by ozthegweat on Mar 1, 2023 17:25:30 GMT
until the mother of all cheap ass final bosses. Meaning? Stupidly difficult, tedious, …? No spoilers please, only done 1 mission so far.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 1, 2023 17:27:46 GMT
Was far easier than Witch Queen until the mother of all cheap ass final bosses. Have two missions left, this... doesn't fill me with confidence. I actually found a few missions a bit harder than Witch Queen, but then again, some were easier. It's a bit more uneven. Hope I won't hit a brick wall at the final boss.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 1, 2023 17:40:03 GMT
The area you fight in is very obviously designed with strand abilities and traversal in mind but it's not that great to use with what you come up against. Very little cover and with the changes to Res you are basically one shot if you get caught. I ended up hopping around with Witherhoard in the cheesiest fashion imaginable. I thought it was absolutely shite, if I ever play that bit again it will be on Normal or with a couple of people to prevent wiping and doing the whole fucking thing again.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 1, 2023 23:04:06 GMT
Finished the campaign just now. Holy crap, you weren't kidding about the final boss. After several failed attempts, I just went and looked for a cheese spot - luckily there was a few - and went at it with my trusty Krait. And then the second phase started, the previous spot disappeared, and I had to find a different one. I sure hope the next expansion will rein it back a little. I do want to point out how funny it is that the Calus bot was a raid boss, while Calus himself, after being played up so much, is a standard campaign boss. Yeah, a shitty one, but still. At least with Savathun you had the excuse that she wasn't really a fighter. Ah well, gone are the days of King's Fall, I guess. Other than the final boss and the horrible story, though, the campaign was decent, more or less on par with Witch Queen in terms of difficulty imo. But it lacked the same novelty, Neomuna is not as interesting or well designed as the Throne World, and Strand is worse than Stasis when you are not empowered. Also I really don't like fighting Tormentors, they are just annoying. The first half is way better than the second half. Overall... I guess it's better than Shadowkeep, but I'd rank Beyond Light higher. Oh yeah, like I said, the story was indeed swing and miss. Lots of terms thrown around with no explanation. Destiny 1 levels of bad, almost. I want to add that I don't feel like I care one lick about Rohan, though the game tries really had to make you feel sad, but it falls very much flat because the guy barely appeared before biting it. Also I figured he would die pretty early, since he was the only new NPC with no vendor icon. Hah. I also think the ending wasn't that much of a surprise: I had a feeling it would happen, because realistically, the Witness and the Traveler need to fuck off before we can move on to a different story, and I can't see anyone standing up to either of them, so they need to take each other out. Besides, nothing has changed for humanity, so it's like wtf should have happened anyway? We'll see what happens throughout the year and in the final expansion. I hope we get some closure about the Vex, because they have been just kinda going around doing nothing important for years, they are just the basic enemies to use when Bungie wants to do something inscrutable. For now, though, the grind can begin.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 8:04:38 GMT
Reviews on Steam are "mostly negative" now, not even two days after launch.
Overall, I gotta agree: while I did at least like the campaign in a gameplay sense (except for the final boss), the story was horrible and I thought most of the system changes were pointless and/or for the worse. Strand is disappointing when you get to use it outside of the story.
I suppose Bungie will have to do something about all of this.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 2, 2023 8:25:39 GMT
My name is Byf has ripped into it too, which I think is a first. It's just such utterly lazy storytelling. The exact same nonsense they did with D1, as if 9 bloody years wasn't long enough to learn from their mistakes.
Decided to just drop it down to normal and plough through the campaign, as I just couldn't be bothered trying to learn the ropes with Strand on a higher difficulty. What I've heard about the boss makes it sound like I made the right choice. I stopped playing and went to bed at 9 to read, which shows how little this is appealing to me... I'll probably take a break from it and come back after a couple of months to do the seasonal story in one go, which seemed a bit more interesting at least.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 9:10:09 GMT
Reading about it, seems like Lightfall was originally supposed to be the final expansion, and Strand would have been in Witch Queen instead of Deepsight. Then they decided to add an extra expansion, Strand was moved back to Lightfall because the development of Light 3.0 got anticipated, meaning that the entirety of this expansion is, effectively, filler until Final Shape. That sure explains why we are in a separated location, doing something that we don't know what it is and why all our efforts amount to nothing anyway: because the intro and ending were supposed to be a single cutscene (we even see Zavala and the others still watching from the same window, have they been there all the time while we were screwing around on Neptune? lol). They added all that Veil business relatively late, hence nothing makes any sense about it and is a complete tonal shift and a waste of time. On the one side, if true, that sure sucks. On the other hand... it means Final Shape could be good like WQ. But maybe I'm being too optimistic. In the here and now, this is one weak-ass expansion.
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Post by JonFE on Mar 2, 2023 10:37:02 GMT
OK, I just purchased the previous expansions I've missed (Beyond Light / Witch Queen); two questions:
1. How can I play (solo) their respective campaigns? Is there any vendor giving them? 2. Is there a point to purchase the 30th anniversary pack?
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Post by dfunked on Mar 2, 2023 10:40:46 GMT
There's a quest kiosk next to the postmaster in the tower that you can grab stuff from.
You need the 30th anniversary pack for the grasp of avarice dungeon IIRC, so worth it if you plan to do that to get Gjallahorn. Not really worth it otherwise.
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Post by JonFE on Mar 2, 2023 10:53:36 GMT
dfunked Thanks! The Grasp of Avarice/Gjallahorn dungeon should be done with a fireteam, correct? If so, I guess there's no point getting it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 11:07:44 GMT
I was utterly confused by every aspect of Destiny 2 before the new season, and I'm equally baffled now. Loads of stuff has gone from my inventory, but 90% was a total mystery anyway, so probably no biggy.
Extremely pretty shooting and stunning environments are still present for the ultra casual, I will continue my approach of travelling somewhere random and trying to kill whatever is there. If one of the 40 quests I've got actually update occasionally, all the better.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 2, 2023 11:20:33 GMT
JonFE yeah, it needs a fireteam really. Can be done solo, but dungeons are really designed around 3 people.
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Post by Duffking on Mar 2, 2023 11:23:55 GMT
I had to team up for the end boss on legend. Absolutely abysmal fight, not sure what they were thinking.
Most of the campaign is a waste of space, instead of being well paced with lots of good encounters and a satisfying self contained narrative we have double macguffins that are not explained, half the plot being just someone yelling STRAND at you, half the missions being strand tutorials, and a set of characters introduced badly and written annoyingly.
Very poor stuff, honestly.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 2, 2023 12:08:39 GMT
I don't even think that the raid can save it this time, given we pretty much already know who is going to be the end boss. Even if it triggers off some Last Wish-esque post world-first content that goes some way to explaining what the fuck just happened, it's still pretty insulting that it wasn't just a part of the campaign.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 12:12:39 GMT
I still don't know who the hell this Nezarec guy is supposed to be and why he speaks like an emo dude. I had to team up for the end boss on legend. Absolutely abysmal fight, not sure what they were thinking. Most of the campaign is a waste of space, instead of being well paced with lots of good encounters and a satisfying self contained narrative we have double macguffins that are not explained, half the plot being just someone yelling STRAND at you, half the missions being strand tutorials, and a set of characters introduced badly and written annoyingly. Very poor stuff, honestly. I enjoyed the first half of the campaign, essentially until the escape sequence. The rest was pretty mediocre though, and yeah, the story and characters sucked throughout. Also, without finding a way to cheese the final boss, I'd have never managed to solo it. It was Halo 5 three Wardens level of bad.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 2, 2023 12:17:54 GMT
Nezerac was a disciple and his pyramid ship is the one we found on the moon. The nightmares seem to originate from him too. I don't see how that's going to help explain what the veil is, why the characters were yelling about a radial mast for half of the campaign or what the fuck the Witness is actually up to and why we should care at this point but there you go.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 2, 2023 12:28:21 GMT
Crap expansion, but it'd make a banging drinking game... Do a shot every time they mention the radial mast.
Best to have emergency services on standby for that, actually.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 2, 2023 12:34:57 GMT
"We're the first people in the entire universe to discover the mysterious new power, Strand"
/stumbles into it on the pavement of some random street
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 12:37:28 GMT
Did anyone enjoy Tormentors? I did not enjoy Tormentors, and hope they won't appear again.
Also, they kinda went a bit overboard with the power levels tbf. Legend lost sectors are 30 above the powerful cap. It will be a long while before I can finish one, nevermind without dying. To think I've flawless solo'd them several times in the past.
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Post by wunty on Mar 2, 2023 12:41:52 GMT
So is it shit then? Last year me and the boy were on the cusp of pre-ordering this. We have drifted away from Destiny of late though so ended up not bothering. An amazing expansion could have tempted me back in at some point.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 2, 2023 12:47:40 GMT
Yeah, this definitely isn't the expansion to drag you back in... The game hit peak concurrent players with this, which is a bit sad really. Couldn't have happened at a worse time for the game.
I'd hold off for the final shape expansion next year, which as malek says should be meaty (I definitely won't be preordering it after this, though)
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Post by wunty on Mar 2, 2023 12:49:56 GMT
Thanks man. That's such a shame. A few months back we were both really hyped for it.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 13:17:20 GMT
For what it's worth, the seasonal activity is fun (shame that they are once again timegating the other maps), even if I'm not much of a Mara fan, and it does sound like it could lead to something in the long run.
Only, you don't need the expansion to buy the season. It's included for free to all Lightfall owners, but you might as well just buy it separately if you want. And frankly, it might be best for now.
If they do eventually improve Strand, like they did Stasis, you can always pick it up later, by that point it will be steeply discounted anyhow. The campaign itself isn't too bad, aside from the story, but not worth the full price imo.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 2, 2023 13:26:04 GMT
Tormentors were okay, if a little tanky. They clearly only work as threats in areas where you can't use verticality or open space so it wasn't surprising to see a lot of the encounters with them basically take place inside a matchbox. They also had a habit for me of getting stuck inside bits of the environment after they had slammed.
The less said about them being spawned in during the final fight the better. What an absolute pile of shit that was.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 2, 2023 13:30:05 GMT
Also, half of the Strand abilities being time gated or hidden behind a world first raid completion is absolute fucking nonsense. This big new subclass they've banged on about and half of it is locked off.
Basically "We had no time to test if these fragments will break contest mode". What a load of wank.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 13:48:00 GMT
I like that there is a time trial about Strand abilities traversal that is just a campaign mission that can be easily completed under the time limit even with no Strand abilities.
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Post by wunty on Mar 2, 2023 14:13:09 GMT
For what it's worth, the seasonal activity is fun (shame that they are once again timegating the other maps), even if I'm not much of a Mara fan, and it does sound like it could lead to something in the long run. Only, you don't need the expansion to buy the season. It's included for free to all Lightfall owners, but you might as well just buy it separately if you want. And frankly, it might be best for now. If they do eventually improve Strand, like they did Stasis, you can always pick it up later, by that point it will be steeply discounted anyhow. The campaign itself isn't too bad, aside from the story, but not worth the full price imo. I never even finished doing all my stasis stuff because I fucking hated it on my warlock. The super was shite. Give me a big fuck off nova bomb any day.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 2, 2023 14:56:59 GMT
Ive never been fully in on Stasis but ironically I've stumbled upon quite a good turret build with these new mods that can keep your ability energy going almost constantly. So while I should be going out of my mind for strand right now I'm actually enjoying the old darkness class far more at present.
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Post by wunty on Mar 2, 2023 15:05:56 GMT
I did think that when the darkness stuff was getting introduced that it would be a bit more exciting than an ice blast and a grappling hook. Neither says "Huge evil pyramid ships from the furthest reaches of space" to me.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 2, 2023 18:29:21 GMT
Stasis nowadays is in a much better place than it used to be. I do run it occasionally on my Titan. Then again, I guess it helps that I've basically spitten blood for those fragment quests.
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