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Post by oldskooldeano on Dec 11, 2021 15:31:54 GMT
No thread for the best sci-fi on TV? New season on Amazon now. Looks like Marcos Inaros is slowly morphing into Prince but otherwise great!
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Dec 11, 2021 17:28:13 GMT
Started season 2 today, mixing hardboiled detective with Sci Fi? I'm onboard!
I accidentally started on season 3 initially and was so confused I shelved it for a year.
Glad I picked it up again.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Dec 11, 2021 20:29:05 GMT
Looks like Marcos Inaros is slowly morphing in Prince... Oh matron ! But yeah, painting the big silver eagle on his ship to match his jacket - too far. Steady refresh opener, little teases, let the funs begin. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 12, 2021 8:12:06 GMT
The Expanse is probably up there with my favourite shows ever. Up there with SG1 and DS9, although it's a very different show.
It just has some very good characters, and the level of detail in the worldbuilding is amazing.
Season 1 took its time finding it's feet, but 2-5 have been exceptional. Havent started 6 yet,, might wait until its all released so I can watch it all over a couple of weeks.
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Post by スコットランド on Dec 12, 2021 9:49:45 GMT
I'll wait till all 8 episodes are out then binge it.
Shame they're not doing all the books.
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Post by stuz359 on Dec 13, 2021 21:11:53 GMT
I've found myself doing that more often lately, wait until all episodes are out then binging it. Doing it with Wheel of Time and Succession right now. Waited on Foundation and Invasion. I think it helps that most tv shows are only over about 10 weeks now. When it was 24 episodes a season, it's a lot to binge all at once and most of the shows were serialised to some extent too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 21:18:11 GMT
I thought season 5 was a bit poor and the new episode seemed to follow suit. For me it's been going downhill for a while.
The main antagonist is a pretty lame, and his son is cringe. All those scenes with the family drama in season 5 had be reaching for my phone for something to read.
Season 1 was very slow, 2-4 were excellent, and 5 I thought was weak.
I'm basically just watching it to get it finished at this point so a shorter final season is fine with me.
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Post by Snake on Dec 13, 2021 23:15:47 GMT
ecosse: I think it's only 6 episodes? Anyway, best TV sci-fi in ages, still catching up with the books... I expected them to keep on Bull as the new pilot but I guess the reduced episode count doesn't leave room for many other characters to shine besides the already established ones...
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Dec 14, 2021 7:25:20 GMT
I thought season 5 was a bit poor and the new episode seemed to follow suit. For me it's been going downhill for a while. The main antagonist is a pretty lame, and his son is cringe. All those scenes with the family drama in season 5 had be reaching for my phone for something to read. Yes, unfortunately I had a similar reaction to it. And I also just didn't find it particularly believable how Inaros was set up as the new villain. Basically, with the exception of our heroes and the villain - which are of course extremely competent in everything they do - everyone else is useless and every plan of the villain works out exactly as planned. It's a very lazy way to do things. |
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Post by Tuffty on Dec 16, 2021 13:21:30 GMT
Wanted to fast forward any scene Philip was in. The constant flip flop from "I HATE YOU MUM" to "No, I love you really" was exhausting, especially with those vacant doe eyed expressions.
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Post by lexw on Dec 16, 2021 15:59:21 GMT
Wanted to fast forward any scene Philip was in. The constant flip flop from "I HATE YOU MUM" to "No, I love you really" was exhausting, especially with those vacant doe eyed expressions. With Philip it really feels like they went with "Wow this guy looks exactly like he could be the kid of these two people!" (which he does) and then checking things like "Does he have charisma?" and "Can he act in a way that's in any way engaging?" were cast aside immediately. But it's a bit unfair because I don't think it's mostly the actor, I think it's mostly the dire writing around Inaros and Philip and his mum isn't much better. I thought season 5 was a bit poor and the new episode seemed to follow suit. For me it's been going downhill for a while. The main antagonist is a pretty lame, and his son is cringe. All those scenes with the family drama in season 5 had be reaching for my phone for something to read. Yes, unfortunately I had a similar reaction to it. And I also just didn't find it particularly believable how Inaros was set up as the new villain. Basically, with the exception of our heroes and the villain - which are of course extremely competent in everything they do - everyone else is useless and every plan of the villain works out exactly as planned. It's a very lazy way to do things. Feel similarly. I dunno if it was a lack of time to explain how this could work, or if it's just as dumb in the books or what, but the whole thing just doesn't seem plausible, and the lack of people gunning for Inaros' position is also somewhat unlikely given the near-anarchy he seems to be running. |
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Post by spacein_vader on Dec 16, 2021 16:30:31 GMT
It's not (IMO) as dumb in the books. In the grand scheme of things they (Inaros & son,) don't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 16:33:10 GMT
It was better when it didn't have a cartoon villain and the stakes were tied to the protomolecule mystery.
It's all just very one dimensional now and cliche. It's like they can't be arsed.
Shame because when it was at its peak it was genuinely rather great.
Perhaps it will pick up anyway, I hope so. Probably watch the new one later.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Dec 17, 2021 17:01:24 GMT
Think it was perhaps more of a case of not having long term security as to the continuation of the show. Better make things simple to keep execs onboard maybe ? Again, it's still fun rather than stupendously good.
But the...thing...Marcos does with his arms. The slightly out-angle little man syndrome thing. Thought it was because of the bandolier, but no, he does it regardless of that.
That's really starting to bug me.
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Post by spacein_vader on Dec 17, 2021 17:25:18 GMT
It was better when it didn't have a cartoon villain and the stakes were tied to the protomolecule mystery. It's all just very one dimensional now and cliche. It's like they can't be arsed. Shame because when it was at its peak it was genuinely rather great. Perhaps it will pick up anyway, I hope so. Probably watch the new one later. Assuming they stay true to the novels it does go back that way. Without spoilers I can't say much more but the main plot moves back to a grander level fairly quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 22:47:14 GMT
Perhaps it will pick up anyway, I hope so. Probably watch the new one later. Update: it is not getting better. Episode 2 is a dud |
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Post by oldskooldeano on Dec 18, 2021 1:01:35 GMT
Perhaps it will pick up anyway, I hope so. Probably watch the new one later. Update: it is not getting better. Episode 2 is a dud I disagree. Bobby and Drummer always spice things up and a new side story seems to be building to get away from Inaros. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 12:15:00 GMT
I really wish they just released all the episodes. There's only fucking 6. I could watch that in one sitting this weekend,
SMH my head
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Post by HoriZon on Dec 21, 2021 12:37:27 GMT
Loving it my self may have to go watch them all again in the new year!
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Post by muddyfunster on Dec 21, 2021 21:01:38 GMT
Have to admit I'm a bit worried it's going out with a whimper rather than a bang now. Given how few episodes are left I really didn't want so much time spent on Marco jnr sulking around or his not especially intimidating dad.
Tell us more about the cool mysterious sci-fi alien stuff already! The interplanetary politics was also more interesting than straightforward good vs bad war. All feels a bit rushed and like they've forgotten why it was good. Not unlike the final season of game of thrones. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by stacks on Dec 21, 2021 21:15:54 GMT
Have to admit I'm a bit worried it's going out with a whimper rather than a bang now. Given how few episodes are left I really didn't want so much time spent on Marco jnr sulking around or his not especially intimidating dad. Tell us more about the cool mysterious sci-fi alien stuff already! The interplanetary politics was also more interesting than straightforward good vs bad war. All feels a bit rushed and like they've forgotten why it was good. Not unlike the final season of game of thrones. Hope I'm wrong. I know what you mean. There have been some duff ass filler scenes with those two in it. The last 2 seasons have been on a serious downward trajectory for me. Lots of petty emotional squabbles between humans. When there is a massive ring gate, Aliens, protomolecules and interplanetary politics put to the sidelines. My heart is sinking as this first episode goes on. |
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Post by SpiralScratch on Dec 22, 2021 0:08:55 GMT
Have to admit I'm a bit worried it's going out with a whimper rather than a bang now. Given how few episodes are left I really didn't want so much time spent on Marco jnr sulking around or his not especially intimidating dad. Tell us more about the cool mysterious sci-fi alien stuff already! The interplanetary politics was also more interesting than straightforward good vs bad war. All feels a bit rushed and like they've forgotten why it was good. Not unlike the final season of game of thrones. Hope I'm wrong. Avoiding spoilers, so far they are (broadly) still following the core story arc of the books so i expect that mostly what we're going to get this season is a wrap up of the current Marco war story. And not much or any 'beyond the ring gate' & protomolecule stuff , that comes back in later on in the plot beyond this section of the story (in Books 7 to 9). They've teased the Laconia stuff (the opening sequence of episide 1 with the girl on the alien planet) that becomes the main thing later but that's a huge phase of the story after Marco (2 novels worth) so can't see them doing much more than setting that up on the assumption they may come back to it if and when Season 7 onwards ever gets commisioned. This season does feel rushed, it needed 10 episodes of an hour each and more space to breathe. It's the best the Expanse has ever looked on screen, you can see the Amazon money more than ever this season, but i think they baulked at how much 8 to 10 hrs would cost and got the writers to dial it back. It's a shame. |
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Dec 22, 2021 1:44:39 GMT
Shouldn't have wasted so much time on Naomi last season, really felt padded out rather than start the next 'arc' without knowing if they could finish. Then there was all the Alex stuff too...
As it is, the whole Marcos/Belter thing might be rushed, 2eps ? Then a Laconia tease, ring stuff and fin in last 2 ? Breakneck speed seems like a requirement for all that.
Not knowing the books, could they do a film/extended finale Firefly/Serenity type of deal ? Dunno if the story lends itself to that.
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Post by Tuffty on Dec 22, 2021 10:29:43 GMT
Isn't this season the wrap up on the TV series as a whole? Would really seem like they ditched the protomolecule aspect of the story that didn't go anywhere. I know it is further elaborated in the latest books but seems like we won't get that far.
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Post by SpiralScratch on Dec 22, 2021 10:44:33 GMT
From what the authors Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck have said, the end of Season 6 is a pause point rather than an attempt to end what the TV adaptation does with the whole 9 book Expanse. Again avoiding spoilers but what comes in Book 7 (Laconia) does lend itself to a pause at this point. It sets up now but then it jumps things forward to 30 years after the events in seasons 5 & 6.
"Alcon [Television Group] — our studio — is very committed to the IP. They have lots of plans. We’ll see what happens after that"
Fingers crossed it gets picked up by another platform at some point. Whatever they do after this it's going to need Foundation on Apple TV levels of budget to do justice to last 3 books.... alien planets, huge scale space opera, massive capital ship battles
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Post by spacein_vader on Dec 22, 2021 13:25:01 GMT
Agree with spiral, from a book POV it's a good time to pause and you could do books 7-9 as feature length standalones.
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Post by stacks on Dec 22, 2021 21:57:53 GMT
This second episode bounces around making no sense. Propelled by stupid decisions. I've not had enough time with any characters and when you do it's bizarre choices and interactions.
As I understand it drive signatures can be picked up immediately? So rocks with drives on pose no threats? The point and danger of the original rocks is they were stealth and also slung so undetectable?
Seems like it's the same sort of shite writing that plagues a lot of Hollywood nowadays. Cookie cutter sort of tripe. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Dec 29, 2021 23:52:32 GMT
Thought episode 3 was a bit better. They'd still give the best space battles. The just aren't enough minutes in these episodes though. Really felt like it ended prematurely again this week.
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Post by spacein_vader on Dec 31, 2021 0:45:41 GMT
Enjoyed ep 3. I've been wondering how they intend to replace Kemals role in the story long term though and I now have a horrible feeling they'll use Phillip to do it.
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Post by Warrender on Jan 3, 2022 20:17:16 GMT
So apparently there are bonus scenes hidden this season when you pause an episode and check X-Ray. Works on mobile and browser apps. One per episode. Some pretty interesting contexts too that you'd be missing out on as well.
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