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Post by Whizzo on Jan 14, 2022 1:33:07 GMT
What a finale!
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 14, 2022 9:33:58 GMT
They did. There's also no way they'll leave it there so I suspect a few one of feature length specials to cover the remaining books given they confirmed this was the last series.
That said, the ending worked well.
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jan 14, 2022 9:49:21 GMT
Sounds great. I’ll watch it tonight. Thanks for no spoilers.
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Jan 14, 2022 13:07:59 GMT
Yep, that worked. Only thing that felt off was how it didn't even tease anything Laconia-ish, just forgotten about after the cruiser/Duarte pan. "What happened to the girl and protoboy brother ?" says the audience. What's the whole deal ? Given that Marco was getting messages teasing visual shots of the proto cruiser/new cruiser(?) I'd have settled for a shot of that, perhaps showing a second/multiple where the previous season finale showed just one. Will we ever see more ? Who knows ? Think the only other Expanse related stuff on the horizon was that Drummer-focused Telltale game, and I've never been a fan of those. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jan 14, 2022 14:51:49 GMT
That can't be it. They've tee'd it up too nicely for future features at least. They wouldn't have have teased the Laconia stuff so much if they didn't plan on filming something relevant |
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Post by Whizzo on Jan 14, 2022 17:19:36 GMT
I'm very much of the opinion that we'll see more, especially with everyone involved saying there's no need for a new save The Expanse campaign. Rumours of a sequel series aren't going away.
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 14, 2022 21:25:58 GMT
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Post by atomix on Jan 14, 2022 23:13:51 GMT
Game of Thrones take note, that’s how you finish a series. Beltalowda indeed.
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jan 17, 2022 9:54:18 GMT
Enjoyed that. It can’t be the end. Loose threads all over the place. Loved the space infantry combat. It’s stuff like that that the expanse does well.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 17, 2022 13:32:56 GMT
The writers said they want to do more in some form one day and didn’t want to just kill it off.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 17, 2022 14:31:41 GMT
I would rather they had compressed the belter stuff down to one series and spent this series doing alien business but whatever. Marco is a terrible character/actor and I did find this whole schism boring but it wasnt a bad ending if thats all they wrote.
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 17, 2022 15:19:58 GMT
I would rather they had compressed the belter stuff down to one series and spent this series doing alien business but whatever. Marco is a terrible character/actor and I did find this whole schism boring but it wasnt a bad ending if thats all they wrote. They do one book per series and that was the content of the next book. It also sets up the state of the universe for the next 30 years before the next major event unfolds. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 17, 2022 15:44:44 GMT
50/50 on this.
Season 1 and 2 great and set up some exciting possibilities.
Season 3 good but starting to feel less interesting plot points are being drawn out.
Season 4 completely pointless. You could skip the entire season. It's two episodes stretched into 10.
Season 5. More fucking Belters. Really who cares? There's a fucking alien ring with a thousand planets to explore. Who gives a shit about Marco and the sulky son?
Season 6. More Belters.
There's plenty to admire, the commitment to details, the design and look of the show, the core characters, all great stuff.
But episodes are failing to hold my full attention, whenever treacle throat mcashtray drops an F bomb my eyes roll and I start to tune out. Waaaay to much screen time. To me she's simply a plot device rather than a character expecially as there's no Martian equivalent to act as a foil. I really wish a torpedo would remove her from existence.
In short. Less Belters and more space dogs and magic portals.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 17, 2022 16:03:05 GMT
One of the problems is that the belters are uniformly dreadful and kind of wanted them to get blown to pieces.
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 17, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
They're beholden to the books, the books (at this phase,) are heavily belt driven, ergo so is the series.
FWIW in the books the belter plot is now essentially finished and Avasarala is an old lady and the next one is in 30 years so it's fair to say she plays a minor part.
From here on out bookwise it's all about the sol system (as one group, inners & belter doesn't really matter any more,) vs Aliens vs a newly established 3rd party in Laconia.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Jan 18, 2022 9:32:26 GMT
That's promising. I disagree with the articles I've seen calling it a well rounded ending. The entire Marco Inaros story felt like padding. I'm certain people are far more interested in Protomolecue spaceships, Laconia and ring planets.
The possibility of season 7 seems strangely vague. Talking about spinoffs when there's a huge amount of material available to continue the current series.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 18, 2022 9:51:03 GMT
I dont think its a satisfying end to the whole thing but it was a decent enough, if rushed, ending for all the wacky belter politics stories. It was a season finale rather than a series finale.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jan 18, 2022 10:09:07 GMT
That's probably what it is though. Just a season finale but with a difference. As Mr Space invader says if the next book is 30 years later everyone in the previous plotlines that we've seen is old or dead and therefore don't have a major role.
Maybe what they've decided is that the next few series will have different main actors (maybe from the Laconia plot lines in season 6) and therefore a new name. The Expanse: ALIENS GONNA EAT YOUR KIDS.
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 18, 2022 10:41:23 GMT
That's promising. I disagree with the articles I've seen calling it a well rounded ending. The entire Marco Inaros story felt like padding. I'm certain people are far more interested in Protomolecue spaceships, Laconia and ring planets. The possibility of season 7 seems strangely vague. Talking about spinoffs when there's a huge amount of material available to continue the current series. It is padding, at the end when Marco gets a message from Laconia saying no more support they make clear that he was only there to distract the rest of the Sol system from what the Laconians are cooking up. All of the other bits you mention follow in later books but wouldn't be possible in the same way if Laconia hadn't bought time with the Free Navy as a distraction. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 20, 2022 7:23:28 GMT
Overall I liked the last series.
The pacing may have been a bit quick, everything breezed passed so it it did feel a bit light. Like there were some big moments that didn't have enough time to breathe.
I'm very much a fan of things not being dragged out, and usually favour a shorter running time, but this is one of the few seasons that I really think would have been served better by a few more episodes.
I'm perfectly okay with the focus being on the personal and political relationships, as that's where much of my interest lay.
The whole protomolecule stuff was just a bit of a macguffin for me, just a device to hang the more interesting political stuff on, but Laconia made it more intriguing.
I'd liked to have seen it explored more. As it didn't really tie into any plot resolutions on this side of the ring gates it felt like an entirely unconnected story... So either explored more or it could have been excised.
If I was going to rate the seasons based on my enjoyment I'd probably go
3, 4, 5, 6, 2, 1.
(I can't say I loved the first season, it took a while for it to coalesce for me. But I did really like Miller's Hardboiled detective schtick. Without that I doubt I'd have made it through season 1)
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Post by Phattso on Jan 20, 2022 8:37:06 GMT
I spent most of series 2 and 3 wondering why they'd changed it from The Miller Show. Holden was never a particularly interesting lead to me.
But it's spaceships. Occasional pew. The bits on Earth in S5 were excellent. I enjoyed it in the same way as I enjoyed Wheel of Time recently, I think. I was never particularly invested in anything that was going on. I did love the belta lowda patois though - bit cringey at first, but super natural by the end.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 20, 2022 9:05:41 GMT
Miller carried the first could of seasons. I did grow to like Holden, and the rest of the crew, but honestly in the first season I didn't feel much towards any of them, they all came across as a bit flat in that first season.
But I did find myself engaged with them as characters by the end of the second season.
Miller was by far the most interesting character, even if his infatuation with Julie Mao is actually pretty fucking creepy.
I do like Avasarala too.
I think my favourite secondary character was Ashford.
Tbh I have been considering cutting my hair like S1 Miller for a while.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 21, 2022 22:06:01 GMT
I binged S6 this week, the last 2 episodes were fine and the ending great but the pacing was weird before that, it definitely suffered from the shortened episode number. Fucking bastard Besos wouldn't cough up a bigger budget for them to do it properly  Like everyone I hated Filip and how utterly tedious anything with him and his mum, really couldn't stand idiot fucking Naomi. Face character unsurprisingly is Drummer, she's brilliant the whole way through, the difference a great actress can make. I really hope there's more, ideally Apple would step up. |
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 22, 2022 4:02:24 GMT
I binged S6 this week, the last 2 episodes were fine and the ending great but the pacing was weird before that, it definitely suffered from the shortened episode number. Fucking bastard Besos wouldn't cough up a bigger budget for them to do it properly Like everyone I hated Filip and how utterly tedious anything with him and his mum, really couldn't stand idiot fucking Naomi. Face character unsurprisingly is Drummer, she's brilliant the whole way through, the difference a great actress can make. I really hope there's more, ideally Apple would step up. Drummer has always been awesome, like Ashford was. Anyone but Apple, haven't they committed to only making wholesome type stuff? Gritty isn't really their scene. I don't think Amazon are finished, they just need the actors to age a bit before they can tell the next chapters. Just hope we don't have to wait the full 30 years. In the meantime I highly recommend the books. |
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 22, 2022 6:31:52 GMT
I binged S6 this week, the last 2 episodes were fine and the ending great but the pacing was weird before that, it definitely suffered from the shortened episode number. Fucking bastard Besos wouldn't cough up a bigger budget for them to do it properly Like everyone I hated Filip and how utterly tedious anything with him and his mum, really couldn't stand idiot fucking Naomi. Face character unsurprisingly is Drummer, she's brilliant the whole way through, the difference a great actress can make. I really hope there's more, ideally Apple would step up. Drummer has always been awesome, like Ashford was. Anyone but Apple, haven't they committed to only making wholesome type stuff? Gritty isn't really their scene. I don't think Amazon are finished, they just need the actors to age a bit before they can tell the next chapters. Just hope we don't have to wait the full 30 years. In the meantime I highly recommend the books. I mentioned Apple as they’d maybe be prepared to throw enough cash at it, why would it be Amazon if they refuses to provide enough budget to make S6 properly? Could be HBO I suppose, either way the writers, show runners and actors want it so here’s hoping . My partner has read all the books and loved them, I might give them a go. Maybe they could simplistically change the 30 years to 10 or something to continue with the same cast? |
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 22, 2022 8:04:48 GMT
Drummer has always been awesome, like Ashford was. Anyone but Apple, haven't they committed to only making wholesome type stuff? Gritty isn't really their scene. I don't think Amazon are finished, they just need the actors to age a bit before they can tell the next chapters. Just hope we don't have to wait the full 30 years. In the meantime I highly recommend the books. I mentioned Apple as they’d maybe be prepared to throw enough cash at it, why would it be Amazon if they refuses to provide enough budget to make S6 properly? Could be HBO I suppose, either way the writers, show runners and actors want it so here’s hoping . My partner has read all the books and loved them, I might give them a go. Maybe they could simplistically change the 30 years to 10 or something to continue with the same cast? Possibly, or just a bit of makeup. One of the book authors and the guy who plays Amos have a podcast discussing the series called Ty & That Guy and they repeatedly refer to the series as being "on hiatus" rather than cancelled and hinted they still have contracts for future works in place with Amazon. My personal bet is that they'll produce the final 3 books in the form of 3 feature length episodes. The way they're written I think they'd need a bigger FX budget than a series but it doesn't quite have the following to justify a full movie budget so that'd be a nice middle ground to try to do it justice. |
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jan 22, 2022 11:13:18 GMT
If one was to read the books now which book would be a good starting point to carry on as it were?
I know the tv show has diverged a bit but I don’t want to go over old ground. Time is precious as it is.
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Post by spacein_vader on Jan 22, 2022 12:01:46 GMT
If one was to read the books now which book would be a good starting point to carry on as it were? I know the tv show has diverged a bit but I don’t want to go over old ground. Time is precious as it is. Season 6 is a retelling of Babylons Ashes, so you could either read that to see some of the differences or head straight to the last 3 books. They are: 1. Persepolis Rising 2. Tiamat's Wrath 3. Leviathan Falls Due to the 30 year time lapse its a good point to join as it introduces a few new characters not in the earlier books or series. There will be a few minor characters you don't know but the only major change is Alex doesn't die in the books. He only did in the series because the actor was doing inappropriate things. |
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jan 22, 2022 12:25:20 GMT
If one was to read the books now which book would be a good starting point to carry on as it were? I know the tv show has diverged a bit but I don’t want to go over old ground. Time is precious as it is. Season 6 is a retelling of Babylons Ashes, so you could either read that to see some of the differences or head straight to the last 3 books. They are: 1. Persepolis Rising 2. Tiamat's Wrath 3. Leviathan Falls Due to the 30 year time lapse its a good point to join as it introduces a few new characters not in the earlier books or series. There will be a few minor characters you don't know but the only major change is Alex doesn't die in the books. He only did in the series because the actor was doing inappropriate things. cheers mate, good info. I feel slightly crass having mentioned that ‘time is precious’; you know that more than any of us. Love and blessings to you and yours. |
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Post by Immaterial on Feb 2, 2022 9:44:35 GMT
*IF* there is another season or 2 coming out, I really hope they don't bring another cartoon baddie into the show. I haven't read the last 3 books, but hopefully they come across more as existential alien threat rather than what we had in the last couple of series.
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