Tuffty
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Post by Tuffty on May 15, 2024 17:25:45 GMT
I too can't help but feel it's been beaten to the punch by Ghost of Tsushima. The only concern I have at this stage is hearing that Yasuke will be a combat heavy character. The Dark Souls light combat has never really clicked since Origins. Stiff, clunky, character becomes ridiculously unbalanced by end of the game. Mirage was really bad for this. Even if it didn't have all that, it still had a mountain to climb against Rise of the Ronin. Doesn't need to be as technical I guess, but it really does need to be better than what's come before and I don't have that much faith they can change that much.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 15, 2024 17:36:57 GMT
It'll definitely be a tough showing coming third, especially after the acclaim Ghost of Tsushima (deservedly) got and with Rise of the Ronin still so fresh in people's minds.
It should at least have a wealth of history to explore that Tsushima/Ronin didn't. A game set in the Sengoku period, for example (the continuous wars all over Japan involving -most famously- Nobunaga, Hideyoshi and Ieyasu, basically the time period the Nioh games are set in except probably with less demons) would be very fertile ground for an open-world AC to plant itself in, with all the intrigue, conflicts and competing factions. Time will tell, as always...
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Post by baihu1983 on May 15, 2024 17:44:30 GMT
CGI trailers should be a thing of the past now days.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 18:40:18 GMT
I've seen that it's got...sigh...a battle pass?! The single player game has a battle pass.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 18:41:11 GMT
Also a black samurai... something tells me this is going to be received in a totally normal and considered way. Totally.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 15, 2024 18:44:05 GMT
Also a black samurai... something tells me this is going to be received in a totally normal and considered way. Totally. That actually gives a lot of support to my theory of the game being set in the Sengoku period... The most famous black samurai was Yasuke, a retainer of Nobunaga, after all
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 18:44:35 GMT
It's confirmed it's Yasuke. The best bit is that because of the absolute state of media literacy nowadays it'll be seen as a culture war by all the fucking weebs who are very "educated" about Japanese history.
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Post by baihu1983 on May 15, 2024 18:47:36 GMT
I've seen that it's got...sigh...a battle pass?! The single player game has a battle pass. Internet connection also required to play.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 18:53:22 GMT
How else are they going to give you that battle pass. Ubisoft are so odd they legitimately give a lot of content but go out of their way to sour the experience. It's fascinating.
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Post by Ulythium on May 15, 2024 18:57:00 GMT
Also a black samurai... something tells me this is going to be received in a totally normal and considered way. Totally.
The other playable character is a woman, so... yeah. I guess we can expect a load of mouth-frothing commentary about ASSASSIN'S WOKE!!! from the usual quarters.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 15, 2024 19:05:32 GMT
And I, for one, will continue to give exactly zero fucks
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 19:12:26 GMT
As it should be. Hopefully the story and writing is more interesting than Valhalla which was a fucking snooze fest.
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Post by paulyboy81 on May 15, 2024 20:54:07 GMT
Think this is from the same mob that did Odyssey, which I'd probably rate as the best of the RPG AC games thanks to the story and Kassandra. Was still overstuffed to the gills with needless Ubisoft bloat obviously, but I enjoyed it.
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Post by Derblington on May 15, 2024 21:04:27 GMT
The trailers do absolutely nothing for me, other than the fact it’s a samurai and a ninja.
Supposed to be the next big tech upgrade since Origins so I’m hoping for something decent, but I feel like they really need to sell the playable ninja as something more than just the franchise-typical assassin character. I want new movement animations and combat.
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Post by Ulythium on May 15, 2024 21:05:00 GMT
For me, Ubisoft's insistence upon non-linear gameplay is what really hurts their narratives - after all, it's hard to tell a good story when your game has to allow players to tackle areas/meet NPCs/fight bosses/etc. in whatever order they please.
It's by no means terminal - I enjoyed the Watch Dogs and Ghost Recon games, despite their shared reliance on this structure - but it is why I don't much care for their stories, and wouldn't even if Ubi hired some decent writers for a change.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 21:53:12 GMT
Trailer was ok but jesus titty fucking Christ, GAMERS really are some of the worst people going aren't they? It just reminds me why I never really mention my hobby to all but my closest friends.
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Post by Tuffty on May 15, 2024 22:48:44 GMT
It's confirmed it's Yasuke. The best bit is that because of the absolute state of media literacy nowadays it'll be seen as a culture war by all the fucking weebs who are very "educated" about Japanese history. Hope they had that same energy about Nioh, in which you play as a white man. And Yasuke's even in it too. But let's be real, a big proponent of this is the fact it's Ubisoft. People would be hating even with 2 Japanese cast members. It's so telling to see people complain about how it goes against the historical accuracy of the series narrative. Same series where Da Vinci makes devices to give to you to help in your assissanation attempt and Pythagoras giving you a staff of immortality which he obtained from Hermes. So long as the setting is given respect, which I've no reason to doubt, then let them tell the story they want. Don't let them hear about The Last Samurai! As it should be. Hopefully the story and writing is more interesting than Valhalla which was a fucking snooze fest. Seriously. Think I spent more time overall accepting a mission and travelling to the mission than carrying out the mission itself. For every 5 mins of travel, I finished the mission in about 1. I hope that's sorted out. That and the combat. Watchign Unity's again out of interest and in the clip you had enemies reacting uniquely to where they were hit, stumbling from the direction of the swing, contextual finishers depending on if you were close to a wall etc. If you did a side by side comparison between it and Mirage, you'd think Mirage is the older game.
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Post by Derblington on May 15, 2024 23:12:23 GMT
I really need to have a shot at Unity now that it’s all fixed up.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 15, 2024 23:16:04 GMT
It looks gorgeous still BUT the gameplay in terms of missions has a lot of the series worst traits. The parkour is exceptional though, I'm amazed that all that technical progress was just binned off.
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Post by dfunked on May 16, 2024 7:02:02 GMT
I enjoyed my time with it fairly recently. It was nice to go back to a relatively pure and short AC experience after the recent RPG trilogy.
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Post by Tuffty on May 16, 2024 8:24:21 GMT
I wish it would go back to it honestly. Works better to fit the fantasy they're selling. It's a big part of why Ghost of Tsushima was so well received and something I have huge pause for doubt with Shadows if the combat is the same and elevated if Yasuke is gonna be the combat heavy character.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 16, 2024 8:48:58 GMT
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Post by wunty on May 16, 2024 8:55:56 GMT
I really need to have a shot at Unity now that it’s all fixed up. Unity isn't a flawless gaming experience by any means but it remains my resolute favourite AC game. Sprawling city, real sense of place, brilliant Parkour, shorter and more focused than a lot of other ACs... It's great.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 16, 2024 9:35:07 GMT
I think that is a shame. I'm glad about the icon clutter being removed but I enjoyed those cinematic shots. The way the make your character look tiny really have a great sense of space and scale to everything, and usually made the scenery impressive (Admittedly less impressive in something like AC3 where the viewpoints were often just 20 foot up a small church spire)
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Post by wunty on May 16, 2024 10:13:48 GMT
Yeah the viewpoints haven't been great for a few games now. It really made an impact early on as you scaled huge buildings but sitting on a rocky outcrop or a sunken ships mast doesn't have the same appeal.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 16, 2024 10:35:58 GMT
It depends on the height of the rock outcrop, I guess.
I do think AC: Oranges had some good viewpoints, what with all the pyramids.
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Post by lukasz on May 16, 2024 12:41:41 GMT
Japanese people are not happy.
Not really surprised. While historical person he really is anomaly in the history of Japan
He shoud not be main character in game where assassin are main character.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 16, 2024 13:31:18 GMT
Japanese people are not happy. Not really surprised. While historical person he really is anomaly in the history of Japan He shoud not be main character in game where assassin are main character. Is that all Japanese people or the people online who are saying they're Japanese? I mean it has two characters one who is Japanese. Genuine question. Why shouldn't he be the main character, also he's one of TWO main characters, because if we're going there then surely Nioh a game made by a Japanese studio had a white lead, William Adams, an Irishman who became a Samurai and was also an 'anomaly' in Japanese history. I'm just trying to see what the goalposts are here.
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Post by lukasz on May 16, 2024 15:21:02 GMT
Japanese people are not happy. Not really surprised. While historical person he really is anomaly in the history of Japan He shoud not be main character in game where assassin are main character. Is that all Japanese people or the people online who are saying they're Japanese? I mean it has two characters one who is Japanese. Genuine question. Why shouldn't he be the main character, also he's one of TWO main characters, because if we're going there then surely Nioh a game made by a Japanese studio had a white lead, William Adams, an Irishman who became a Samurai and was also an 'anomaly' in Japanese history. I'm just trying to see what the goalposts are here. Japanese people who speak Japanese at least on Xitter. possibly fake. but at the same time the game franchise is not really that popular in Japan so at the end it wont matter. Out of many great historical Japanese characters they pick a foreigner. who was there for only 2 years before being kicked out from the country. They are going to create a story on how that amazing foreigner will shift history of japan forever (just like other AC main characters did for their settings). Seems absurd and iffy. Could it be done correctly and in interesting way? absolutely. Do I believe Ubisoft can do it? No. I might be wrong. And if I am I promise Ill buy the game even though I am not the target market for the franchise (i have 3h of combined playtime across all those free AC games I got over the decade))
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 16, 2024 15:29:29 GMT
It's a game. With a lot of fiction. Based on a reality where there are two groups of opposing factions who have shaped history behind the scenes. Using ancient technology. In one of the games, AC2 to be exact the main character fought the Pope. I also remember a Native American, AC3 to be exact, who was involved in pivotal moments in American history.
Anyway what were you saying about absurd and iffy things?
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