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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 2:05:33 GMT
Last post last month was me, exposing me as a contrarian. That said.
Junior mentioning the MGR anniversary, it’s gotta be said. Bayonetta was never the best game Platinum made. Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, Madworld, NieR Automata and Astral Chain shit all over Bayonetta. The entire Bayo series isn’t even top 5.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 20, 2023 6:17:42 GMT
I think my opinion of Platinum is that they've never been that amazing. I'd agree that Bayonetta isn't the best thing they've done, but even their best (MGR, possibly) is overrated.
I just find the combat and action isn't quite as polished as some suggest, and often just becomes indecipherable. The last Bayonetta is particularly bad for that, can't really tell what's going on a lot of the time, and tbh I had similar issues with Astral Chain.
Tbh the problem might me being old and slow and but being able to react to things quickly.... No, it's definitely the games. definitely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 6:48:13 GMT
If we going that far, literally the only good game From made was Metal Wolf Chaos.
That’s it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2023 9:32:26 GMT
They have a few real stinkers on their CV but they hit more than they miss. Nier Automata is legit one of the best games ever made.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 20, 2023 10:09:33 GMT
I've only played the original Bayonetta, but I did feel it suffered particularly from the issue of punishing those that are a bit rubbish. It felt like you needed to get good scores in order to unlock moves, weapons and abilities. If you died and needed to continue during a level, your score would be shit and lead to you not being able to buy any upgrades, leading to even further deaths and continues and no upgrades.
As some one who is a bit shit at it, I suffered from this problem. I was able to bang my head against things to progress, but it was clear I was having a lesser experience than someone who would be on the correct curve of power progression.
Astral Chain and Neir Automata are great though (I need to go back and finish them both).
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Post by retro74 on Feb 20, 2023 10:15:36 GMT
I finished the original Bayonetta too and that was enough for me. No chance of me ever playing the sequels
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 20, 2023 10:21:56 GMT
I do like their games, but I'm not sure if they're all *that* exceptional.
Haven't played Nier Automata yet. But, for example, I think From Software really nail the deliberate, precise combat and really codified the Souls-like formula, but I'm not sure I'd say Platinum do the same for flashy, more arcadey, OTT stuff.
Or yeah, might just be me being shit at it.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2023 10:22:03 GMT
The thing is wasnt very good at explaining is that its designed to be replayed multiple times with an eye on getting better each time. It would be hard/impossible to unlock everything on one playthrough, having one crack at each level.
Bayonetta 2 addresses most complaints people have about the first one (including the instadeaths) but the 'story' is much worse.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 20, 2023 10:22:34 GMT
I remember sitting back in my chair as the Bayonetta end credits rolled and saying something along the lines of "that was fucking amazing!"
Haven't played it again since despite that, and I've given up on B2 a couple of times after playing for 3-4 hours. Haven't even started B3 yet. It's a 10/10 game in my memory, but I really don't think I'll feel the same if I actually play it again.
Astral Chain probably would've been a 10/10 game for me if it wasn't so hampered by the hardware. 30fps and absolutely shocking IQ really prevented me from getting fully invested in it. I should really try it again emulated...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 20, 2023 10:25:15 GMT
I'm not sure I'd say Platinum do the same for flashy, more arcadey, OTT stuff. They do. The platinum formula is as good as it gets, really. Youve got DMC, Ninja Gaiden and Platinum for that fast, arcadey style combat and platinum is by far my favourite. Their Transformers game is an underrated classic purely because transformers fighting like Bayonetta is so ridiculous. |
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Post by killerbee on Feb 20, 2023 10:42:16 GMT
The only Platinum game I’ve really liked was Vanquish.
I didn’t get on with Bayonetta and despite having a huge love for the source material, I didn’t much like that Transformers game they did either. I’m always a bit bemused at the reverence the studio seem to be held in. Keep telling myself it’s just not my thing.
To be honest, I probably just like Shinji Mikami’s work and Platinum Games has little so do with it.
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Post by zephro on Feb 20, 2023 11:01:16 GMT
I loved Bayonetta but I'm way more vibes based than particularly concerned about the details of combat. It ends with you punching god into the sun and then doing a jazzy dance number. What's not to love.
Unpopular opinion but I played a little of Demon/Dark souls and was just fucking bored out of my skull.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 20, 2023 11:28:08 GMT
Last post last month was me, exposing me as a contrarian. That said. Junior mentioning the MGR anniversary, it’s gotta be said. Bayonetta was never the best game Platinum made. Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, Madworld, NieR Automata and Astral Chain shit all over Bayonetta. The entire Bayo series isn’t even top 5. Honestly, as much as I like the Bayo games, I can't really disagree with that, at least as far as MGR and Nier Automata go (don't have enough knowledge about the other three, I've got Astral Chain in the backlog but never really got around to playing it). I wouldn't use as strong a word as "shit on", mind, but I do think they're better. (as an aside, some of my "as"-es above were originally auto-changed to "ass"... strangely fitting for the context, considering how many things the auto-incorrect gets wrong  ) |
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Post by rhaegyr on Feb 20, 2023 12:08:57 GMT
I dropped out of Nier Automata half way through the 9S playthrough which is a shame as the game had some amazing moments, albeit few and far between.
My main issue was combat, which for a Platinum game was surprisingly dull/shallow. Lack of enemy variety also hurt.
Oh, and having to play the game a third time to get the real meat of the story? No thanks.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 20, 2023 12:21:44 GMT
Metal Gear Rising is still some of the most fun I've ever had with a video game that knows exactly what it is, understands the absurdity of the Metal Gear franchise and leans so much into it it's horizontal. Also fucking banging soundtrack.
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Post by jellyhead on Feb 20, 2023 14:07:35 GMT
Oh, and having to play the game a third time to get the real meat of the story? No thanks.
That's more of a Yoko Taro thing than Platinum. Platinum make their games to be replayable for the gameplay and the spectacle. Yoko Taro designs his games to be replayable for the changes of perspective on the narrative and emotions. |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 24, 2023 1:37:22 GMT
"Unforgiven III" is the best of Metallicas' Unforgivens.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Feb 24, 2023 2:55:34 GMT
I dropped out of Nier Automata half way through the 9S playthrough which is a shame as the game had some amazing moments, albeit few and far between. My main issue was combat, which for a Platinum game was surprisingly dull/shallow. Lack of enemy variety also hurt. Oh, and having to play the game a third time to get the real meat of the story? No thanks. *sighs* You don't have to do a third playthrough. After the 9S perspective stuff the story continues and there are no more repeated bits. |
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Post by EMarkM on Feb 24, 2023 8:17:52 GMT
"Unforgiven III" is the best of Metallicas' Unforgivens. Metallica’s last good album was Master of Puppets. Everything they’ve done since has been pish. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 24, 2023 8:41:49 GMT
Not sure that's all that an unpopular opinion.
but I disagree with that sentiment. I still think Bleeding Me is a career best song.
If we're having unpopular thrash opinions, I've never liked Megadeth. Technically proficient but Mustaine has never inspired any emotional reaction in me.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 24, 2023 8:45:13 GMT
The black album is their best album and there’s nothing wrong with deliberately making songs people can sing along to in the car
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 8:52:04 GMT
I find music snobs to be the absolute dullest people imaginable.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 24, 2023 8:56:57 GMT
I am one generally and I agree but sometimes you do just have to accept something is popular for a reason.
Like the best radiohead album is the one with the hits on it.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 24, 2023 8:58:52 GMT
And that's clearly Kid A.
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Post by rhaegyr on Feb 24, 2023 9:55:39 GMT
I dropped out of Nier Automata half way through the 9S playthrough which is a shame as the game had some amazing moments, albeit few and far between. My main issue was combat, which for a Platinum game was surprisingly dull/shallow. Lack of enemy variety also hurt. Oh, and having to play the game a third time to get the real meat of the story? No thanks. *sighs* You don't have to do a third playthrough. After the 9S perspective stuff the story continues and there are no more repeated bits. Fair point but I still have to do a second playthrough of basically the same game/story with the same shallow combat and generic enemies, now with a hacking minigame (which wasn't too bad). Edit - I'm being overly harsh. I liked the 9S playthrough well enough and just a little dissapointed the game just didn't grab me as much as I thought it would, especially after a friend raved about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 10:02:43 GMT
I find music snobs to be the absolute dullest people imaginable. One of my mates goes to every gig/festival you can think of and describes his music taste as eclectic. He'll be amazed when I haven't heard of some obscure bluejazz country fusion group that play instruments repurposed from roadkill. He'll then bombard me with spotify playlists and recordings he's taken at their gigs that I will never listen to. I bet you already could tell he has every gig and festival wristband still on that now smell like wet dog and cigarettes. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 24, 2023 10:10:19 GMT
I am one generally and I agree but sometimes you do just have to accept something is popular for a reason. Like the best radiohead album is the one with the hits on it. Agreed. Except when it comes to Ed Sheeran. Still baffled. |
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 24, 2023 11:52:02 GMT
I don’t understand why some music is popular but that’s always been the case. Some I don’t like but I can see why some might, other stuff is just irritating or so incredibly bland that I just don’t get it.
For instance, Cheeky Girls.
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Post by wunty on Feb 24, 2023 12:10:18 GMT
Not sure that's all that an unpopular opinion. but I disagree with that sentiment. I still think Bleeding Me is a career best song. If we're having unpopular thrash opinions, I've never liked Megadeth. Technically proficient but Mustaine has never inspired any emotional reaction in me. If we're having unpopular thrash opinons then I will say that thrash in general is shit, and I've never liked Metallica. Out of the big 4 (and I've seen them all live a few times) the only one that I've ever enjoyed has been Anthrax, but even then I woulnd't listen to them outwith a live performance. It's one of the few more mainstream metal sub genres that just does nothing for me. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Feb 24, 2023 15:04:54 GMT
Slayer is clearly by far the best of the Big Four, but I also have a hard time even classifying them as Thrash Metal. Slayer is Slayer. The others were unable to step out of Venom's shadow. And the best Thrash band is Sodom.
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