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Post by H-alphaFox on Jan 10, 2022 23:50:24 GMT
Who said Pearl Jam and when did you stop listening to them? Loved them so much but I couldn't tell you what their last 5 albums are. They had maybe 2 good records 3 I'd say, some of four but I wiki'd it and Riot Act was the last one I'm aware of, not heard the rest. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 10, 2022 23:51:37 GMT
They had maybe 2 good recordsProper grandad |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 23:52:14 GMT
at least he didn't say LP
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Post by dfunked on Jan 10, 2022 23:54:23 GMT
Their last 78 was a banger
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 10, 2022 23:54:27 GMT
It's surprising when bands you assumed packed it in are still going.
I mean fucking Papa Roach are still going, somehow.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jan 10, 2022 23:54:45 GMT
What are we saying - Absolute 80s, or Absolute 90s?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 23:55:06 GMT
are they the cut my life into pieces guys?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 10, 2022 23:56:01 GMT
@spookyxelectric
Yes.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 10, 2022 23:57:00 GMT
I remember afternoons listening to Led Zep with the family huddled around the wireless
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Post by Ulythium on Jan 10, 2022 23:57:11 GMT
I’m fairly indifferent to The Who’s music, but they’re fronted by a paedo and a hardcore Brexiter so are fairly easy to hate.
I never knew what to make of the whole "Pete Townshend accessing pornographic material featuring minors in the name of 'research'" thing.
Roger Daltrey is an insufferable twat, without doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 23:57:31 GMT
Man, I didn't even like them back then. How?
I think the band I hated the most at the time was Blink 182 though. I did not get the appeal AT ALL.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 11, 2022 0:04:00 GMT
I'm not sure who did like Papa Roach. It was played in the rock clubs when I was at uni n most nights and everyone danced but it was always a bit "oh isn't this shit, it's fun to be ironic". Same with Disturbed and that "down with the sickness" song (they're still going too, somehow) or anything by Coal Chamber.
I think most of the late 90's and early 2000's alt-metal scene was driven by people liking things ironically.
Blink 182 are kinda different, coming more from a pop-punk background. I liked a few of their songs but found the albums pretty mediocre.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 11, 2022 0:05:31 GMT
Which is ironic in itself
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 11, 2022 0:06:49 GMT
I think Morissette had a line about it.
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Post by zephro on Jan 11, 2022 0:18:19 GMT
I'm not sure who did like Papa Roach. It was played in the rock clubs when I was at uni n most nights and everyone danced but it was always a bit "oh isn't this shit, it's fun to be ironic". Same with Disturbed and that "down with the sickness" song (they're still going too, somehow) or anything by Coal Chamber. I think most of the late 90's and early 2000's alt-metal scene was driven by people liking things ironically. To go with Disturbed you need Let the Bodies Hit the Floor by Drowning Pool. I'm not sure its irony exactly, but that and Down with the Sickness are bangers once you've got a half bottle of JD in you, but sober are pretty shite. Then again I've not really enjoyed any new metal music in decades, anything after Tool or NiN has just passed me by. |
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Post by Lizard on Jan 11, 2022 0:22:56 GMT
Nu-metal was theatrical and angsty and appealed to younger teenagers in the late '90s to whom bands like Oasis, Radiohead and Travis must've seemed like boring, insincere dadrock. Blink-182 were like a cheerful counterpoint. Korn wrote gritty songs about being raped, Blink-182 write hilarious songs about shagging dogs. The kids all wore 'RIP Kurt Cobain' t-shirts.
The weird nu-metal/pop-punk/Kerrang TV/big trousers scene ended up as a vehicle for some decent post-hardcore-type stuff, ATDI, Rival Schools etc.
I notice the big trousers are back, now.
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Post by dfunked on Jan 11, 2022 0:25:47 GMT
Tool and NIN aren't really metal anyway, are they?...
I have no idea at what point a song with shouty men and guitars becomes "metal". There's clearly a line that you cross. Maybe if I enjoyed it I'd actually bother to find out...
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 11, 2022 0:27:55 GMT
zephroYou are totally right. I'm clearly not as much of connoisseur of Nu-Metal as I thought. The songs are pretty interchangeable, in my defence. Edit: I'm not even sure what I'm typing, I'm tired.
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Post by zephro on Jan 11, 2022 0:37:15 GMT
Not sure I'm a connoisseur, just spent a lot of time in metal clubs in the early 00s.
Tool and NiN are definitely metal. Prog Metal and Industrial Metal, but no metal night is complete without some awkward dancing to Closer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 0:37:18 GMT
Tool and NIN aren't really metal anyway, are they?... I have no idea at what point a song with shouty men and guitars becomes "metal". There's clearly a line that you cross. Maybe if I enjoyed it I'd actually bother to find out... Yeah, I'd say TOOL is more prog rock and NIN are industrial. I say as I push up my dork glasses. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 11, 2022 0:49:17 GMT
Tool do use some elements of metal, guitar tones and some drum patterns, they slip between the rock and metal "boundary" frequently. They're definitely in the realms of prog though.
They're actually a band I think I should like but frankly they've never really done much for me.
NIN are industrial, but do have a few industrial metal tracks.
It's almost like genres are just a blurry mess that don't really mean much. Had fun winding up really genre-militant crust punks or metalheads by claiming that grindcore is *definitely* an offshoot of the opposite genre.
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Post by Lizard on Jan 11, 2022 0:52:40 GMT
They both sit on the boundary between alt-rock and metal. A fully patched-up longhair would probably tell you that they aren't 'true metal', but who the fuck really knows, or cares.
Tool can fuck off. I don't mind their music, but they churn out the same hulking prog-metal time and again, and armies of bong-addled goatee-strokers proclaim it to be the most mature, superior, intelligent music going when it's just dolled-up prog. A bit like Radiohead in some respects.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 11, 2022 0:56:04 GMT
LizardBut Tool write songs using the fibonacci sequence!! It's like so deep and complex and mathematicallyzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Lizard on Jan 11, 2022 1:00:55 GMT
LizardBut Tool write songs using the fibonacci sequence!! It's like so deep and complex and mathematicallyzzzzzzzzzzzz If you turn Lateralus up loud enough the vibrations transmit the Fibonacci sequence to your bong water and your next hit, well let's just say whoa man! |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 11, 2022 1:06:31 GMT
I think Papa Roach was on the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 soundtrack, and hence i heard Last Resort a billion times while playing that, and bought the album... which wasn't as good.
I also bought the Limp Bizkit album though, for which I have no defence.
The nice thing about the rock club I used to hang out at in high school was that everyone was pretty chill and nobody really gave a shit about being cool like the people who went to the dance club upstairs.
As such, I don't really think it was people liking things ironically, it was just those kinda songs being really fun to jump around to with your mates after a few snakey-b's.
As Shirley Bassey sang:
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Post by Lizard on Jan 11, 2022 1:10:22 GMT
I think Papa Roach was on the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 soundtrack, and hence i heard Last Resort a billion times while playing that, and bought the album... which wasn't as good. I also bought the Limp Bizkit album though, for which I have no defence. The nice thing about the rock club I used to hang out at in high school was that everyone was pretty chill and nobody really gave a shit about being cool like the people who went to the dance club upstairs. As such, I don't really think it was people liking things ironically, it was just those kinda songs being really fun to jump around to with your mates after a few snakey-b's. When it died and gave way to the Stokes/White Stripes garage rock revivial everything suddenly became a thousand times more prentitious and poseur-rific. |
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Post by khanivor on Jan 11, 2022 2:19:25 GMT
It all went tits up in 93, (I think, or 94).
Reading started to have loads of advertising hoardings and sponsorship by Radio 1 and the Melody Maker stage and shit.
Commercialization invaded the last places of refuge of the counterculture and started commodifying them too
Actually, could have been in 92 when Disposable Heroes didn’t turn up and were replaced by The Farm
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Post by khanivor on Jan 11, 2022 2:39:07 GMT
Then I discovered screamadelica.... Had a lead up with Ministry, PWEI and Jesus Jones. Then Screamadelica, an album that exists outside of space time. Which of course, led to Weatherall which led to Plastikman which led to a complete change in musical and social priorities. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 11, 2022 8:09:39 GMT
Spotify used to be a better I think - there was a "music we think you might like" section, which sometimes was a bit weird, but I found so many awesome different albums. There is still a "music like artist X that you like" but it isn't as good. [m It’s all still there, it’s just been moved under the search tab. Click search and then ‘made for you’ and there is a shitload of personalisation stuff. I thought it had been removed too but I think the screen real estate on the home page for it was sacrificed in the push for podcasts |
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Post by Dougs on Jan 11, 2022 8:14:49 GMT
I'm slowly wrestling my Deezer algorithm back from my daughter, after giving in and handing her the keys to Deezer on Alexa, with my account going through the Sonos. There's only so much Dove Cameron that I can take.
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