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Post by スコットランド on Jan 10, 2022 21:52:15 GMT
New music is still awesome but mainstream pop has been dumbed down to an insane degree, in the 80s you would have the charts full of bands that actually had something intelligent to say. The likes of Tears for Fears,Depeche Mode, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, The Police, Talking Heads etc. Geniuses like Prince, even bands like Duran Duran had shit hot musicians.
Now everything is production line written by committee with utterly banal lyrics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 21:52:41 GMT
Radiohead are fucking terrible. User addyb is fucking terrible. I don't think that's in any doubt. |
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Post by Ulythium on Jan 10, 2022 21:52:43 GMT
Nowadays, I only actively listen to a handful of bands - Radiohead, Mogwai, The Smiths, Sparklehorse - I liked in my teens. Everything else, making up 75% of my record collection, is stuff I got into more recently (ranging from my early 20s to last week). Hell, most of the stuff I like these days only came on my radar once I got to the wrong side of 30!
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Post by simple on Jan 10, 2022 21:54:16 GMT
I’ve always had a soft spot for the darkness. Roger Taylor’s (queen) son plays drums for them now. Also their Xmas song is brilliant compared to most of the other Xmas shite When I was at uni one of my flatmates had two cds in his room, Darkness and Sean Paul, you could what kind of night out it would be by which was playing |
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 10, 2022 21:55:01 GMT
New music is still awesome but mainstream pop has been dumbed down to an insane degree, in the 80s you would have the charts full of bands that actually had something intelligent to say. The likes of Tears for Fears,Depeche Mode, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, The Police, Talking Heads etc. Geniuses like Prince, even bands like Duran Duran had shit hot musicians. Now everything is production line written by committee with utterly banal lyrics. Exactly this. Pop bands used to still be built around decent musicians amd talent. Now they have 15 writers and 100 track mixing desks... |
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Post by Ulythium on Jan 10, 2022 21:55:42 GMT
When I was at uni one of my flatmates in halls had two cds in his room, Darkness and Sean Paul, you could what kind of night out it would be by which was playing
The options being coked-up or stoned?
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 10, 2022 21:56:46 GMT
Also thanks for the Prince comment. He was indeed a genius. Mountains is my favourite ever song, closely followed by the beautiful ones
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 10, 2022 21:57:47 GMT
Fwiw, I don’t think old music is better than new music. I listen to a lot of new music. It’s great. But most good, new stuff will never sell the kind of volume it did in the stone age and allow them to sell tickets to massive festivals which is why it’s always radio friendly unit shifters who get top billing.
I also don’t mind Wet Leg. I really like too late now. But I would be surprised if we got two albums out of them.
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Post by simple on Jan 10, 2022 21:58:03 GMT
When I was at uni one of my flatmates in halls had two cds in his room, Darkness and Sean Paul, you could what kind of night out it would be by which was playing
The options being coked-up or stoned?
For him, basically yes |
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jan 10, 2022 21:58:34 GMT
Pulp are the one band that can knock Radiohead off their pedestal. Pulp > Radiohead > Blur. Guns'n'Roses made 1 decent album in the 80s, a lot of which is filler. I mean I like all 3 of them, never really got fully into any back in the day but still would listen to them. Back then it was Radiohead more than the others but these days I'm way into Pulp more than I ever was. There is, I think a Reading 2011 concert of them on youtube which is 2 hours of pure bliss. Better show than probably any they had done in their heyday, nostalgia and all that. I also credit GnR as my launching point into heavier, alternative music. Can't say I'm keen to give them another listen today though. |
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Post by Danno on Jan 10, 2022 22:00:55 GMT
radio friendly unit shifters. Great track |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 22:01:12 GMT
Also thanks for the Prince comment. He was indeed a genius. Mountains is my favourite ever song, closely followed by the beautiful ones Fuckin' love Prince. That Parade album is phenomenal. As was all of his 80s output. |
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 10, 2022 22:03:21 GMT
I’m going to stick my vinyl of maggot brain on and forget new manufactured shit pop and real music like Adele and Ed Sheeran exists....
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 10, 2022 22:05:46 GMT
Also thanks for the Prince comment. He was indeed a genius. Mountains is my favourite ever song, closely followed by the beautiful ones Fuckin' love Prince. That Parade album is phenomenal. As was all of his 80s output. Yeah he is kind of underrated, I went to see him in Manchester just before he died and the taxi driver had never heard of him! |
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Post by zephro on Jan 10, 2022 22:06:25 GMT
New music is still awesome but mainstream pop has been dumbed down to an insane degree, in the 80s you would have the charts full of bands that actually had something intelligent to say. The likes of Tears for Fears,Depeche Mode, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, The Police, Talking Heads etc. Geniuses like Prince, even bands like Duran Duran had shit hot musicians. Now everything is production line written by committee with utterly banal lyrics. Yeah I'm still getting new stuff but nothing seems to have any exposure anymore as everything's very atomised into their little niches. Obviously streaming an iTunes switched everything away from albums and artists trying to create complete pieces of music like that. A thing that used to be different was the limits of variety we could get a hold of, everyone watched Top of the Pops (or things like it), it contained weird interesting things from genres you weren't aware of, complete shit etc. But someone curated it and promoted really good bands that then became actually famous famous, rather than genre famous. I think we've lost most of that culture around it even though people still make good music. Radio 1 used to actually put good indie/rock music on ffs. |
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Post by Danno on Jan 10, 2022 22:07:11 GMT
Pulp are the one band that can knock Radiohead off their pedestal. Pulp > Radiohead > Blur. Guns'n'Roses made 1 decent album in the 80s, a lot of which is filler. I mean I like all 3 of them, never really got fully into any back in the day but still would listen to them. Back then it was Radiohead more than the others but these days I'm way into Pulp more than I ever was. There is, I think a Reading 2011 concert of them on youtube which is 2 hours of pure bliss. Better show than probably any they had done in their heyday, nostalgia and all that. I also credit GnR as my launching point into heavier, alternative music. Can't say I'm keen to give them another listen today though. I was the same. First heard them when I was about 10 years old and up until then I had no idea that you were allowed to swear in songs. My ma had sold her Sabbath LPs and gotten into Duran Duran and my stepdad was into ELO, Genesis and Rush. The only other music I heard was Power FM 103.2. And then my friend Rich got a tape of Appetite for Destruction and I realised I was going to be into distortion for life. Bit yeah, bar Welcome to the Jungle (that delay/reverb intro is fucking sublime) I haven't felt the need to revisit them since my teens |
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Post by Lizard on Jan 10, 2022 22:07:15 GMT
Radiohead are fart-sniffers. Don't get me wrong, they do an impressive job of repacking leftfield elements into mainstream music, fair play to them. But they are studied and more than a little wanky.
Pulp's grimy stories have more heft, especially with the '80s/'90s nostalgia factor.
Guns 'n' Roses' first album is a front to back banger.
There is loads of good modern pop music, it's just a bit below the surface. As Nick says largely because of the way the industry has changed.
Grandpa Simpson is all over this discussion.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 10, 2022 22:08:44 GMT
Pulp are the one band that can knock Radiohead off their pedestal. Pulp > Radiohead > Blur. Guns'n'Roses made 1 decent album in the 80s, a lot of which is filler. Pavement are better than all of them Love Pavement! Always forget how much. Related, if I was remotely musical, I'd call my band Petrichor. (Bugger, there's one already) |
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Post by retro74 on Jan 10, 2022 22:09:07 GMT
I don’t go looking for good music like I used to back in the day. I wouldn’t have spent my formative years listening to the Pixies, Pavement and Ride if I just watched Top of the Pops. Although I used to get the piss taken out of me a lot for liking Ride, I don’t care though, their first two LPs were good
I’m sure good music is still out there if people look for it, e.g. The War of Drugs - they are great and most average joe and jane’s won’t have heard of them
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Post by Danno on Jan 10, 2022 22:13:00 GMT
MolarAm🔵 Think we need a thread title update about old men and ... those things in the sky. The fluffy white bastards, I forget the name but they can shove it* *Whatever "it" is these days. The wanker.
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Post by Danno on Jan 10, 2022 22:13:55 GMT
I don’t go looking for good music like I used to back in the day. I wouldn’t have spent my formative years listening to the Pixies, Pavement and Ride if I just watched Top of the Pops. Although I used to get the piss taken out of me a lot for liking Ride, I don’t care though, their first two LPs were good I’m sure good music is still out there if people look for it, e.g. The War of Drugs - they are great and most average joe and jane’s won’t have heard of them Ride were good. My greatest shame is owning the first Reef album Spotify's 'if you like this try this' weekly playlist got me into a lot of stuff I really like; Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs, The Mysterines, Viagra Boys, Sunwatchers, Sorry, Snapped Ankles etc etc etc |
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jan 10, 2022 22:14:04 GMT
I mean I like all 3 of them, never really got fully into any back in the day but still would listen to them. Back then it was Radiohead more than the others but these days I'm way into Pulp more than I ever was. There is, I think a Reading 2011 concert of them on youtube which is 2 hours of pure bliss. Better show than probably any they had done in their heyday, nostalgia and all that. I also credit GnR as my launching point into heavier, alternative music. Can't say I'm keen to give them another listen today though. I was the same. First heard them when I was about 10 years old and up until then I had no idea that you were allowed to swear in songs. My ma had sold her Sabbath LPs and gotten into Duran Duran and my stepdad was into ELO, Genesis and Rush. The only other music I heard was Power FM 103.2. And then my friend Rich got a tape of Appetite for Destruction and I realised I was going to be into distortion for life. Bit yeah, bar Welcome to the Jungle (that delay/reverb intro is fucking sublime) I haven't felt the need to revisit them since my teens My Dad was all AC/DC, Jethro Tull, Queen, Led Zep, Pink Floyd and had a big stack of vinyl but I always considered it Dad music my Mum was into all that old 60's happy stuff, pre Beatles and was a Elvis fan. I rejected it then but started appreciating it years later. Plus we all can agree Bat Out of Hell is one of the best albums ever made. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 22:14:16 GMT
Fuckin' love Prince. That Parade album is phenomenal. As was all of his 80s output. Yeah he is kind of underrated, I went to see him in Manchester just before he died and the taxi driver had never heard of him! Yeah, like I love Michael but it's insane to me how much more of a following he's had over the years. Prince has gotten a lot of newfound respect in recent years but it should've always been there, IMO. You wanna talk about real musicians, the guy played everything, and quite literally on those early albums. There's the old story of him turning in the Dirty Mind demo into Warner Brothers. He told them he wrote, played and produced the whole thing himself. WB told him it sounds good but it'd need a professional engineer to do a pass over it. Prince comes back some time later, doesn't touch a single note on the demo tapes, and it gets WB's approval. I was fortunate enough to see him several times over the last 20 years. Hands down, he gave the best performances I've seen every time. The highlight for me was my 21st birthday, when I got to see him as he had a residency in Vegas. On the other shows, he performed a lot of his hits as expected, but because this was his thing, he performed some deeper cuts. Songs like 17 Days, Erotic City, Joy in Repetition, Sign 'O' The Times, She's Always In My Hair, Sexuality, Mutiny... it was incredible. Wish I had gotten to see him in his prime, but I was a toddler then. |
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 10, 2022 22:16:54 GMT
Yeah he is kind of underrated, I went to see him in Manchester just before he died and the taxi driver had never heard of him! Yeah, like I love Michael but it's insane to me how much more of a following he's had over the years. Prince has gotten a lot of newfound respect in recent years but it should've always been there, IMO. You wanna talk about real musicians, the guy played everything, and quite literally on those early albums. There's the old story of him turning in the Dirty Mind demo into Warner Brothers. He told them he wrote, played and produced the whole thing himself. WB told him it sounds good but it'd need a professional engineer to do a pass over it. Prince comes back some time later, doesn't touch a single not on the demo tapes, and it gets WB's approval. I was fortunate enough to see him several times over the last 20 years. Hands out, he gave the best performances I've seen every time. The highlight for me was my 21st birthday, when I got to see him as he had a residency in Vegas. On the other shows, he performed a lot of his hits as expected, but because this was his thing, he performed some deeper cuts. Songs like 17 Days, Erotic City, Joy in Repetition, Sign 'O' The Times, She's Always In My Hair, Sexuality, Mutiny... it was incredible. Wish I had gotten to see him in his prime, but I was a toddler then. That gig sounds awesome👍 Prince was the Mozart of his generation |
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Post by Danno on Jan 10, 2022 22:19:39 GMT
I was the same. First heard them when I was about 10 years old and up until then I had no idea that you were allowed to swear in songs. My ma had sold her Sabbath LPs and gotten into Duran Duran and my stepdad was into ELO, Genesis and Rush. The only other music I heard was Power FM 103.2. And then my friend Rich got a tape of Appetite for Destruction and I realised I was going to be into distortion for life. Bit yeah, bar Welcome to the Jungle (that delay/reverb intro is fucking sublime) I haven't felt the need to revisit them since my teens My Dad was all AC/DC, Jethro Tull, Queen, Led Zep, Pink Floyd and had a big stack of vinyl but I always considered it Dad music my Mum was into all that old 60's happy stuff, pre Beatles and was a Elvis fan. I rejected it then but started appreciating it years later. Plus we all can agree Bat Out of Hell is one of the best albums ever made. I nicked my stepdads LZ LPs (1-4 plus Physical Graffiti) but they're all scratched to buggery. He was a shitface anyway but that's unforgivable! |
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Post by rawshark on Jan 10, 2022 22:21:11 GMT
Woodstock 99 is often held as the point music died in America. Limp Bizkit, Lit, Bush, Korn, The Offspring all headlined. It’s called the day the music died, but more so because of the sheer volume of violence, deaths and sexual assaults that took place there rather than the quality of the music. Essentially greedy and inept festival organisers tried to get festival goers to pay $4 for bottled water in the middle of a heatwave in a concrete airfield with limited shade, plus the predominantly white, young male fanbase of these bands were just the worst bunch of cunts ever assembled. It was basically a four day-long riot. There’s a really good HBO documentary about it if you can find it. |
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Post by clemfandango on Jan 10, 2022 22:21:16 GMT
Pavement are better than all of them Love Pavement! Always forget how much. Related, if I was remotely musical, I'd call my band Petrichor. (Bugger, there's one already) Did you ever see them live? I saw them about 4 times. They always put on an amazing gig. The drummer was a full on loon too in a good way. |
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Post by zephro on Jan 10, 2022 22:22:13 GMT
My Dad was all AC/DC, Jethro Tull, Queen, Led Zep, Pink Floyd and had a big stack of vinyl but I always considered it Dad music my Mum was into all that old 60's happy stuff, pre Beatles and was a Elvis fan. I rejected it then but started appreciating it years later. Plus we all can agree Bat Out of Hell is one of the best albums ever made. Dad Rock, or in my family Parent Rock, is an excellent genre. Though in my family it's Queen, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Meatloaf, Dire Straits, Joan Armatrading, King Crimson, Wishbone Ash. The specifics always change, it just has to be reminiscent of long car journeys and ale. |
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Post by Dougs on Jan 10, 2022 22:26:20 GMT
clemfandango, no never saw them live. One of those I don't actively listen to, but as soon as they're thrown up on a playlist etc, I remember how much I liked them. My mum was all Sinatra, Neil Diamond, Barbara Streisand, so I have a soft spot for them. My dad wasn't fussed by music really. My brother probably had the most influence on me, by leaving home and leaving his Bowie and Smiths vinyl for me to explore.
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Post by rawshark on Jan 10, 2022 22:26:54 GMT
For the record I enjoy The Offspring. They had the good grace to realise they were getting old and not pretend to be teenagers anymore. “We Never Have Sex Anymore” is basically an anthem for the over 40s.
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