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Post by dogbot on Dec 7, 2021 21:59:46 GMT
Thanks. Means a lot. You guys are all I have to talk to. I know I can be a moaning so and so and I know some people don't believe things I say, so it's nice that people take the time to say something in support. I'm going to try and sleep and hope tomorrow I feel better and more myself. I need to get myself mentally stronger. The last few months have been quite tough. Thanks again. I'll shut up now. Sorry I'm being a drama queen. Admitting how you feel like this is plenty strong. Don't fall for all that old macho bullshit about keeping stuff in. I enjoy reading your posts  |
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Post by Frog on Dec 7, 2021 22:01:02 GMT
Well April is quite a long way away and gives you quite a while to find something else. In an ideal world you can find something that starts a few weeks after the other one ends, leaving you a bit of money to do something nice for yourself.
A change of job might be just what you need to make you feel a bit happier about life too.
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Post by retro74 on Dec 7, 2021 22:01:47 GMT
Seconded
Don’t ever worry about sharing on here, people genuinely do care
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Post by Nitrous on Dec 7, 2021 23:24:17 GMT
We’ve had tons and tons of redundancies over the years and nearly everyone I’ve spoken to after they’ve left has said it was the best thing they ever did I've found that with the people I worked with. A few retired while others got jobs elsewhere and are happy. Still awaiting to see what happens next year myself. |
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Post by Danno on Dec 7, 2021 23:33:16 GMT
quitsking From what you've said you're plenty competent so should be able to find a new role soon enough, as scary as it can feel. Mostly I hope the compulsory redundancy gives you a bit of space and time to get some rest dude, again, from what you've posted it sounds like you could use it If you ever apologise for venting here again I will find you and slap you.
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Post by Sarfrin on Dec 8, 2021 7:02:24 GMT
It's morning, so I hope you're awake and things don't seem so bleak. From what I've read here you've had a lot of extra responsibility given to you at this company over the last few years (albeit without proper compensation) and that tends to happen to people who are good at their jobs. I think there's a very good chance you'll end up with a job you're much happier in by the time this plays out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 13:42:51 GMT
Thanks. I managed to get some sleep, but I was menatally all over the place. A small part of me was thinking "they must have made a mistake" (in denial) and I had a meeting with HR and my manager to tell me why I was being made redundnat and that was weighing on my mind.
So, I got on the meeting and they said "we're very sorry, we made a mistake, you're not at risk of redundancy, that letter you got was sent out by mistake. Sorry."
I was releived and annoyed at the same time. I had mentally prepared for it and was then told there was no "it". Turns out they thought I was "just" a PM rather than also a delivery manager and IT Manager (not sure where they had been the last couple of years.... my job title doesn't mention PM... I just do the projects none of the proper PMs can get done...aka the shit stuff.
So, I've had a very unpleasant 24 hours (including telling my team who were all safe that I'm leaving and telling my wife I'm at risk, then not, then at risk, then not) and I've eaten very little during it, so I'm going to eat something before I fall over. Then I've got to manage a release and then I'm going to piss about with a game. I think I've earned it.
However, this was also an eye opener and I will be strengthening my CV and also and as importantly, my mental health. The latter has been suffering for a while. Next time this happens (and it will I'm sure) I will be ready or I will be gone.
Thanks again everyone. Really appreciate this outlet.
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Post by jono62 on Dec 8, 2021 13:49:35 GMT
Definitely sort out your CV. The company sounds very incompetent and thankfully you are still with us, but others might have got this news and acted differently.
Once you secure a new job, you'll wonder why it took you so long.
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Post by bindipper3d on Dec 8, 2021 14:04:09 GMT
This type of thing plays havoc with people's emotional states - and not just those that are let go. There really needs to be some kind of review of how companies work with their employees in times of restructure and change.
This in the week that a company informed 500+ people via a single Zoom call that they were all redundant effective immediately. The CEO who made the announcement had the nerve to start the call by saying it was making him upset. What an ass!
The job market is crazy right now though. Demand for talent has never been so high, yet it's incredibly hard to get people to move as they've been scarred by the unpredictability of Covid and furlough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:07:56 GMT
quitsking So you're still safe in your job for the moment? That's a big relief to hear. Good idea looking at your CV though and hope that you're now in a better position mentally. As Danno said (and you've been warned before) stop apologising! We'll beat you up, don't think we won't. If venting on here helps. Then vent away as much as you fucking need to. That's the trouble these days. Not enough people feel you can talk. This is a place we can all talk, and others will listen. It's a safe space. We're full of shit sometimes but will always be here when it counts.
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Post by jono62 on Dec 8, 2021 14:26:52 GMT
I have an interview tomorrow as I'm basically freelance where I work now. I like where I am now but don't like the insecurity.
If I get the new job, it'll be 6 months initial with the possibility of a permanent role, plus a pay rise and I at least know it's 6 months.
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Post by Immaterial on Dec 8, 2021 14:39:12 GMT
quitsking - That is an appalling thing to happen at work. Glad to hear your position is safe (for now), but if you treat it as a signal to get the hell out, that's the only way I can think of to make such a crap experience a positive. edit: good luck jono62.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 14:47:40 GMT
Wunty, yes I'm safe in my role for now. I will be Tupe'd across to the new organisation in April and will retain my current benefits etc. I'm releived. Still some uncertainty and consultations to go through, but I have a job for now and the clock isn't ticking. There are jobs out there (I've had an agent message me today) and I will most certainly be keeping abreast of the market and where my knowledge is lacking.
Jono, I can relate to that having been a contractor for a couple of years. I was aware that every week they were looking at me and agreeing that they still needed me. If a more secure role pays more, then its a no brainer. Fingers crossed.
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Post by dogbot on Dec 8, 2021 14:55:23 GMT
I'm glad to hear that you're safe. But I definitely echo what others have said that you should get yourself prepared and look for other work, regardless.
And yeah. Stop apologising to us. We're all ok with you venting here.
Seems to me like you're a valued member of this community and I'll say it again, it takes guts to admit to yourself that everything isn't right, never mind anyone else, including to an internet hive mind.
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Post by 😎 on Dec 8, 2021 15:09:55 GMT
Surely “sorry, you’re redundant, here it is on paper. Oh wait, no, just kidding” has fairly sizable legal implications? Might be worth putting in a few calls to a solicitor.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 8, 2021 16:32:52 GMT
Its also not ideal that your company dont know what you do, so you might want to think about getting them to sort that out while youre at it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 8, 2021 16:56:48 GMT
Thanks. Means a lot. You guys are all I have to talk to. I know I can be a moaning so and so and I know some people don't believe things I say, so it's nice that people take the time to say something in support. I'm going to try and sleep and hope tomorrow I feel better and more myself. I need to get myself mentally stronger. The last few months have been quite tough. Thanks again. I'll shut up now. Sorry I'm being a drama queen. Stop saying sorry. Be kind to yourself mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 16:58:34 GMT
Thanks. Means a lot. You guys are all I have to talk to. I know I can be a moaning so and so and I know some people don't believe things I say, so it's nice that people take the time to say something in support. I'm going to try and sleep and hope tomorrow I feel better and more myself. I need to get myself mentally stronger. The last few months have been quite tough. Thanks again. I'll shut up now. Sorry I'm being a drama queen. Stop saying sorry. Sorry  |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 8, 2021 17:03:13 GMT
To be serious though, as others have said I would definitely be keeping my eyes open for a position elsewhere if your company can be so slapdash with your livelihood like this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 13:12:01 GMT
As you were. I've just heard that half those who are being Tupe'd will be made redundant on day one in the new company. Oh well, still got 4 month's pay until then and then 3 month's notice (paid in lieu) and if I can't get a job in that time, then I'm an idiot.
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Post by simple on Dec 13, 2021 13:32:43 GMT
Shit man, sorry to hear
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Post by Sarfrin on Dec 13, 2021 17:00:24 GMT
What on earth is the point of TUPEing someone you're immediately going to make redundant?
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Post by robthehermit on Dec 13, 2021 17:26:27 GMT
Probably something to with tax write offs in the new company.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 17:27:03 GMT
I think its so that my present company doesn't have to pay redundancy money. I suspect the company that has won the contract has agreed to do this as part of the deal. Really is shabby of them to make out that you were "safe" if you were being Tupe'd and then say "oh but that isn't us making you redundant, that's the new company, so nothing to do with us".
Anyway, I need to man up. My wife told me that she's not got the luxury of anxiety or panicking earlier, so I guess I best just get cured and get another job. No problem. I'll get it done.
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Post by Sarfrin on Dec 13, 2021 17:31:45 GMT
As if anxiety's a luxury. Can't imagine there are many people who don't feel bad about being made redundant, even if the prospects are decent. I certainly didn't enjoy it.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 13, 2021 20:39:38 GMT
What on earth is the point of TUPEing someone you're immediately going to make redundant? Doesn't sound legal to me, at least in the short term. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 20:44:38 GMT
Hey witch dude. I read your posts and all I can say is that's awful of them. You should start the process of getting a new job maybe. I would.
No wonder you're feeling a bit rough mentally with that going on.
I have just left a really toxic job and overnight all my stress went.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 21:39:41 GMT
I've come to the same conclusion and have realised my time with them is done. They have been at best using semantics and at worse lying. Whichever, it's not right. This is people's welfare they are impacting. They should have been straight with us from day 1.
We're going to ask them to provide legal counsel / support as we are not sure what they are suggesting is legal. They also want to stagger any redundancy payments which we also don't think is legal.
I know my trust in them is gone and even if I was retained in any role, the company's days are I feel numbered.
I've been in a position like this before and I just took the money and ran. I figured that only the Muppets would want to stay and I didn't want to work with Muppets. I didn't have the anxiety back then, but I'll just have to swallow that down and put my best face on.
Right time to meditate and get my head in a better place send then get some sleep. Cheers
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Post by jono62 on Dec 13, 2021 22:07:34 GMT
Wouldn't trust any legal counsel from them.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 13, 2021 22:37:26 GMT
Strongly agree there.
I'm sorry to hear it all Witch, it sure does suck this time of year and all but hopefully you can spin it into a positive moving forward.
New beginnings and all that changing of trajectory stuff. Don't rush any decisions either, take the time to think it out and as you are thinking to seek advice.
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